Chappelle Visit at Duke Ellington

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He also said “ Every human being in this room, every human being on earth, had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on earth. This is a fact.”

Which is clearly wrong. Weird he is so off base but sometime heroes fall.

Scientifically, he is correct. Only biological women give birth, i.e., their biological sex is female at birth, and have a uterus and ovaries, although for their gender they could identify as male.

Scientifically he is incorrect since some are born by c-section.

You probably prefer the term "pregnant persons" to "pregnant women", don't you? Yeah, thought so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So any lgbtq students were required to listen to this bigot?

Gmafb.

+1,000,000

Say less, bigots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He also said “ Every human being in this room, every human being on earth, had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on earth. This is a fact.”

Which is clearly wrong. Weird he is so off base but sometime heroes fall.

Scientifically, he is correct. Only biological women give birth, i.e., their biological sex is female at birth, and have a uterus and ovaries, although for their gender they could identify as male.

Scientifically he is incorrect since some are born by c-section.

You probably prefer the term "pregnant persons" to "pregnant women", don't you? Yeah, thought so.

You probably don’t think women are persons. Yeah, thought so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So any lgbtq students were required to listen to this bigot?

Gmafb.

+1,000,000

He is not a bigot. Just because you get your news from tweets, doesn’t mean you can label anyone a bigot you want. As a queer black woman, I thoroughly agreed with his sentiments in his last special. He made himself pretty clear and it does make sense. He said he was jealous of the LGBT movement. That does not make one a bigot.

New poster. I would not say that he's jealous of the movement. He believes it's over the top, ridiculous, and unworthy of the power it's earned so fast compared to the power of brown and black people after centuries of oppression.

He juxtaposes the minute and seemingly trivial things that the LGBTQ community rallies for with the basics belief that Black people deserve equal rights/to be treated just the same as White people, and continues on to compare how the world has changed much faster and easier for the LGBTQ community than it has for the Black community.

Pointing out facts in an uncomfortable way doesn't make him a bigot.

-Queer person

Exactly. Why is it that society is expected to coddle people who question their gender, but not expected to value and protect the lives of black people?

The pejorative use of the term “coddle” shows just how homophobic/transphobic you are. These are the same lines being used against the BLM movement by the alt right.

The fact that black people (rightfully) demand equity and are a-ok with hating on the gay/trans community is a real blind spot.

Coddle means to handle gently, which is the message I have received. I am to be at least neutral and definitely not question anyone's lived experience. Transgender people are a stark minority in this country, yet they somehow are more protected than black people, many of whom are in this country because of the slave trade and US slavery practices. I don't see anyone taking it easy on black folks, who have been enslaved, Jim Crowed, lynched, discriminated against, disenfranchised, etc on a vast scale for over 400 years.

+1

Very well stated and I completely agree with this sentiment.

By stoking resentment between oppressed groups, this poster is doing the work of white supremacy.

In logic, the kind of argument is known as a “false dichotomy”. Being aware of the oppression of trans people does not negate the oppression of Black people, particularly since so many trans people at risk of violence or suicide are Black trans people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all falling for the oldest trick in the book? Divide and conquer.

Historically, black people have been put in a position of not being able to trust anyone. That has served the powers that be well. If they can provide a new enemy to distract us, then we're all too distracted and confused to rise up against the real enemy. The BLM protests nationwide and worldwide in the summer of 2020 gave me hope for humanity, but how many black people have to die for society to acknowledge that we have a serious problem that needs to be fixed. It may take a catastrophe to bring about change or people can work together for fair treatment of all.

The BLM movement is crystal clear on the fact the “Black TRANS lives matter.” Anybody with even a passing familiarity with BLM knows this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So any lgbtq students were required to listen to this bigot?

Gmafb.

+1,000,000

He is not a bigot. Just because you get your news from tweets, doesn’t mean you can label anyone a bigot you want. As a queer black woman, I thoroughly agreed with his sentiments in his last special. He made himself pretty clear and it does make sense. He said he was jealous of the LGBT movement. That does not make one a bigot.

New poster. I would not say that he's jealous of the movement. He believes it's over the top, ridiculous, and unworthy of the power it's earned so fast compared to the power of brown and black people after centuries of oppression.

He juxtaposes the minute and seemingly trivial things that the LGBTQ community rallies for with the basics belief that Black people deserve equal rights/to be treated just the same as White people, and continues on to compare how the world has changed much faster and easier for the LGBTQ community than it has for the Black community.

Pointing out facts in an uncomfortable way doesn't make him a bigot.

-Queer person

Exactly. Why is it that society is expected to coddle people who question their gender, but not expected to value and protect the lives of black people?

So trans people asking not to be killed is a “trivial” demand, and not killing trans people is “coddling” them? This is the “all lives matter” of the queer world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So any lgbtq students were required to listen to this bigot?

Gmafb.

+1,000,000

He is not a bigot. Just because you get your news from tweets, doesn’t mean you can label anyone a bigot you want. As a queer black woman, I thoroughly agreed with his sentiments in his last special. He made himself pretty clear and it does make sense. He said he was jealous of the LGBT movement. That does not make one a bigot.

New poster. I would not say that he's jealous of the movement. He believes it's over the top, ridiculous, and unworthy of the power it's earned so fast compared to the power of brown and black people after centuries of oppression.

He juxtaposes the minute and seemingly trivial things that the LGBTQ community rallies for with the basics belief that Black people deserve equal rights/to be treated just the same as White people, and continues on to compare how the world has changed much faster and easier for the LGBTQ community than it has for the Black community.

Pointing out facts in an uncomfortable way doesn't make him a bigot.

-Queer person

Exactly. Why is it that society is expected to coddle people who question their gender, but not expected to value and protect the lives of black people?

So trans people asking not to be killed is a “trivial” demand, and not killing trans people is “coddling” them? This is the “all lives matter” of the queer world.

Nope.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t sound like anyone commenting on this thread actually has kids that go to the school. If you did, you would know that he is an alumni of the school. I bet the parents were happy to have him speak.

And a HUGE donor. Who brings back other famous people to speak at the school.

And he's pretty much one of the ONLY truly famous alums. https://www.ellingtonschool.org/alumni-main/

And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

I know it's true because I heard the president say it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Queer block woman again.

This is the problem as I see it.

In the black community, not agreeing with someone does not equal racism. You don’t have to wholly subscribe to all ways of thinking because a black person says it. We are not monolith folk. We can be republican, think OJ did it, think Farrakhan goes too far (while maybe still agreeing with some points). As Dave says, black folk continue to be at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to minority groups. The way of thinking that if your don’t agree then you’re Xist needs to stop on this group and in our country. It’s similar with speaking up against or not in agreement with my Jewish brethren. You can still love a group of people but not subscribe to all their politics.

For the PP that mentioned black voting rights before LGBT, are you serious? Black people had been here for 400 years before they got voting rights, of which are still not granted in an equitable way. LGBT folk just started their crusade and are on equal footing as black community. That’s a great thing if you look at it that way. As Dave says, it’s admirable and he’s jealous that black folks didn’t have the same path.

Again, this entire argument is a false dichotomy fallacy. Nobody advocating for measures to protect trans youth from being killed is supporting GOP voter suppression efforts, but by trying to divide the queer community and be an apologist for black homophobia because the homophobe happens to be black, you ARE supporting those efforts. You should visit GOP Twitter. Chapelle is a hero to them right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Queer block woman again.

This is the problem as I see it.

In the black community, not agreeing with someone does not equal racism. You don’t have to wholly subscribe to all ways of thinking because a black person says it. We are not monolith folk. We can be republican, think OJ did it, think Farrakhan goes too far (while maybe still agreeing with some points). As Dave says, black folk continue to be at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to minority groups. The way of thinking that if your don’t agree then you’re Xist needs to stop on this group and in our country. It’s similar with speaking up against or not in agreement with my Jewish brethren. You can still love a group of people but not subscribe to all their politics.

For the PP that mentioned black voting rights before LGBT, are you serious? Black people had been here for 400 years before they got voting rights, of which are still not granted in an equitable way. LGBT folk just started their crusade and are on equal footing as black community. That’s a great thing if you look at it that way. As Dave says, it’s admirable and he’s jealous that black folks didn’t have the same path.

Again, this entire argument is a false dichotomy fallacy. Nobody advocating for measures to protect trans youth from being killed is supporting GOP voter suppression efforts, but by trying to divide the queer community and be an apologist for black homophobia because the homophobe happens to be black, you ARE supporting those efforts. You should visit GOP Twitter. Chapelle is a hero to them right now.

Correct but that’s not the issue that Dave is talking about and you know it. Or you would if you watched it. To use an earlier topic…He’s saying that by calling someone with child a pregnant person and not a pregnant woman for political correctness is indeed taking away from the pregnant women everywhere that give life. A statement like that is not anti trans. Has nothing to do with trans persons at all. Not everything is about trans people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Queer block woman again.

This is the problem as I see it.

In the black community, not agreeing with someone does not equal racism. You don’t have to wholly subscribe to all ways of thinking because a black person says it. We are not monolith folk. We can be republican, think OJ did it, think Farrakhan goes too far (while maybe still agreeing with some points). As Dave says, black folk continue to be at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to minority groups. The way of thinking that if your don’t agree then you’re Xist needs to stop on this group and in our country. It’s similar with speaking up against or not in agreement with my Jewish brethren. You can still love a group of people but not subscribe to all their politics.

For the PP that mentioned black voting rights before LGBT, are you serious? Black people had been here for 400 years before they got voting rights, of which are still not granted in an equitable way. LGBT folk just started their crusade and are on equal footing as black community. That’s a great thing if you look at it that way. As Dave says, it’s admirable and he’s jealous that black folks didn’t have the same path.

Again, this entire argument is a false dichotomy fallacy. Nobody advocating for measures to protect trans youth from being killed is supporting GOP voter suppression efforts, but by trying to divide the queer community and be an apologist for black homophobia because the homophobe happens to be black, you ARE supporting those efforts. You should visit GOP Twitter. Chapelle is a hero to them right now.

Correct but that’s not the issue that Dave is talking about and you know it. Or you would if you watched it. To use an earlier topic…He’s saying that by calling someone with child a pregnant person and not a pregnant woman for political correctness is indeed taking away from the pregnant women everywhere that give life. A statement like that is not anti trans. Has nothing to do with trans persons at all. Not everything is about trans people.

I’m a woman how does calling me a person take anything from me?

[Anonymous]

It's amazing to see women throwing everything the feminist movement gave them away at the altar of trans

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's amazing to see women throwing everything the feminist movement gave them away at the altar of trans

Holy Camole! Women being called people equal to man throws away all our hard work… oh wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Queer block woman again.

This is the problem as I see it.

In the black community, not agreeing with someone does not equal racism. You don’t have to wholly subscribe to all ways of thinking because a black person says it. We are not monolith folk. We can be republican, think OJ did it, think Farrakhan goes too far (while maybe still agreeing with some points). As Dave says, black folk continue to be at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to minority groups. The way of thinking that if your don’t agree then you’re Xist needs to stop on this group and in our country. It’s similar with speaking up against or not in agreement with my Jewish brethren. You can still love a group of people but not subscribe to all their politics.

For the PP that mentioned black voting rights before LGBT, are you serious? Black people had been here for 400 years before they got voting rights, of which are still not granted in an equitable way. LGBT folk just started their crusade and are on equal footing as black community. That’s a great thing if you look at it that way. As Dave says, it’s admirable and he’s jealous that black folks didn’t have the same path.

Again, this entire argument is a false dichotomy fallacy. Nobody advocating for measures to protect trans youth from being killed is supporting GOP voter suppression efforts, but by trying to divide the queer community and be an apologist for black homophobia because the homophobe happens to be black, you ARE supporting those efforts. You should visit GOP Twitter. Chapelle is a hero to them right now.

Correct but that’s not the issue that Dave is talking about and you know it. Or you would if you watched it. To use an earlier topic…He’s saying that by calling someone with child a pregnant person and not a pregnant woman for political correctness is indeed taking away from the pregnant women everywhere that give life. A statement like that is not anti trans. Has nothing to do with trans persons at all. Not everything is about trans people.

It literally is anti-trans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Queer block woman again.

This is the problem as I see it.

In the black community, not agreeing with someone does not equal racism. You don’t have to wholly subscribe to all ways of thinking because a black person says it. We are not monolith folk. We can be republican, think OJ did it, think Farrakhan goes too far (while maybe still agreeing with some points). As Dave says, black folk continue to be at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to minority groups. The way of thinking that if your don’t agree then you’re Xist needs to stop on this group and in our country. It’s similar with speaking up against or not in agreement with my Jewish brethren. You can still love a group of people but not subscribe to all their politics.

For the PP that mentioned black voting rights before LGBT, are you serious? Black people had been here for 400 years before they got voting rights, of which are still not granted in an equitable way. LGBT folk just started their crusade and are on equal footing as black community. That’s a great thing if you look at it that way. As Dave says, it’s admirable and he’s jealous that black folks didn’t have the same path.

Again, this entire argument is a false dichotomy fallacy. Nobody advocating for measures to protect trans youth from being killed is supporting GOP voter suppression efforts, but by trying to divide the queer community and be an apologist for black homophobia because the homophobe happens to be black, you ARE supporting those efforts. You should visit GOP Twitter. Chapelle is a hero to them right now.

Correct but that’s not the issue that Dave is talking about and you know it. Or you would if you watched it. To use an earlier topic…He’s saying that by calling someone with child a pregnant person and not a pregnant woman for political correctness is indeed taking away from the pregnant women everywhere that give life. A statement like that is not anti trans. Has nothing to do with trans persons at all. Not everything is about trans people.

It literally is anti-trans.

Honest confusion.. because trans women are as much woman as those who were born with female organs and the ability to bear children?