Chappelle Visit at Duke Ellington

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:He also said “ Every human being in this room, every human being on earth, had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on earth. This is a fact.”

Which is clearly wrong. Weird he is so off base but sometime heroes fall.


Scientifically, he is correct. Only biological women give birth, i.e., their biological sex is female at birth, and have a uterus and ovaries, although for their gender they could identify as male.


Scientifically he is incorrect since some are born by c-section.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He also said “ Every human being in this room, every human being on earth, had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on earth. This is a fact.”

Which is clearly wrong. Weird he is so off base but sometime heroes fall.


Scientifically, he is correct. Only biological women give birth, i.e., their biological sex is female at birth, and have a uterus and ovaries, although for their gender they could identify as male.


Scientifically he is incorrect since some are born by c-section.




Splitting hairs doesn't invalidate his correct statement: people are brought into this world through a woman's body.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:So any lgbtq students were required to listen to this bigot?


Gmafb.


+1,000,000


He is not a bigot. Just because you get your news from tweets, doesn’t mean you can label anyone a bigot you want. As a queer black woman, I thoroughly agreed with his sentiments in his last special. He made himself pretty clear and it does make sense. He said he was jealous of the LGBT movement. That does not make one a bigot.


New poster. I would not say that he's jealous of the movement. He believes it's over the top, ridiculous, and unworthy of the power it's earned so fast compared to the power of brown and black people after centuries of oppression.



He juxtaposes the minute and seemingly trivial things that the LGBTQ community rallies for with the basics belief that Black people deserve equal rights/to be treated just the same as White people, and continues on to compare how the world has changed much faster and easier for the LGBTQ community than it has for the Black community.

Pointing out facts in an uncomfortable way doesn't make him a bigot.

-Queer person





Exactly. Why is it that society is expected to coddle people who question their gender, but not expected to value and protect the lives of black people?


The pejorative use of the term “coddle” shows just how homophobic/transphobic you are. These are the same lines being used against the BLM movement by the alt right.

The fact that black people (rightfully) demand equity and are a-ok with hating on the gay/trans community is a real blind spot.




Coddle means to handle gently, which is the message I have received. I am to be at least neutral and definitely not question anyone's lived experience. Transgender people are a stark minority in this country, yet they somehow are more protected than black people, many of whom are in this country because of the slave trade and US slavery practices. I don't see anyone taking it easy on black folks, who have been enslaved, Jim Crowed, lynched, discriminated against, disenfranchised, etc on a vast scale for over 400 years.


+1

Very well stated and I completely agree with this sentiment.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So any lgbtq students were required to listen to this bigot?


Gmafb.


+1,000,000


He is not a bigot. Just because you get your news from tweets, doesn’t mean you can label anyone a bigot you want. As a queer black woman, I thoroughly agreed with his sentiments in his last special. He made himself pretty clear and it does make sense. He said he was jealous of the LGBT movement. That does not make one a bigot.


New poster. I would not say that he's jealous of the movement. He believes it's over the top, ridiculous, and unworthy of the power it's earned so fast compared to the power of brown and black people after centuries of oppression.



He juxtaposes the minute and seemingly trivial things that the LGBTQ community rallies for with the basics belief that Black people deserve equal rights/to be treated just the same as White people, and continues on to compare how the world has changed much faster and easier for the LGBTQ community than it has for the Black community.

Pointing out facts in an uncomfortable way doesn't make him a bigot.

-Queer person





Exactly. Why is it that society is expected to coddle people who question their gender, but not expected to value and protect the lives of black people?


The pejorative use of the term “coddle” shows just how homophobic/transphobic you are. These are the same lines being used against the BLM movement by the alt right.

The fact that black people (rightfully) demand equity and are a-ok with hating on the gay/trans community is a real blind spot.




Coddle means to handle gently, which is the message I have received. I am to be at least neutral and definitely not question anyone's lived experience. Transgender people are a stark minority in this country, yet they somehow are more protected than black people, many of whom are in this country because of the slave trade and US slavery practices. I don't see anyone taking it easy on black folks, who have been enslaved, Jim Crowed, lynched, discriminated against, disenfranchised, etc on a vast scale for over 400 years.


go read literally anything about black trans women
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So any lgbtq students were required to listen to this bigot?


Gmafb.


+1,000,000


He is not a bigot. Just because you get your news from tweets, doesn’t mean you can label anyone a bigot you want. As a queer black woman, I thoroughly agreed with his sentiments in his last special. He made himself pretty clear and it does make sense. He said he was jealous of the LGBT movement. That does not make one a bigot.


New poster. I would not say that he's jealous of the movement. He believes it's over the top, ridiculous, and unworthy of the power it's earned so fast compared to the power of brown and black people after centuries of oppression.



He juxtaposes the minute and seemingly trivial things that the LGBTQ community rallies for with the basics belief that Black people deserve equal rights/to be treated just the same as White people, and continues on to compare how the world has changed much faster and easier for the LGBTQ community than it has for the Black community.

Pointing out facts in an uncomfortable way doesn't make him a bigot.

-Queer person





Exactly. Why is it that society is expected to coddle people who question their gender, but not expected to value and protect the lives of black people?


The pejorative use of the term “coddle” shows just how homophobic/transphobic you are. These are the same lines being used against the BLM movement by the alt right.

The fact that black people (rightfully) demand equity and are a-ok with hating on the gay/trans community is a real blind spot.




Coddle means to handle gently, which is the message I have received. I am to be at least neutral and definitely not question anyone's lived experience. Transgender people are a stark minority in this country, yet they somehow are more protected than black people, many of whom are in this country because of the slave trade and US slavery practices. I don't see anyone taking it easy on black folks, who have been enslaved, Jim Crowed, lynched, discriminated against, disenfranchised, etc on a vast scale for over 400 years.


That’s just factually and legally incorrect. There are laws that protect black people, for example, in the workplace. Most states have no laws protecting trans people.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So any lgbtq students were required to listen to this bigot?


Gmafb.


+1,000,000


He is not a bigot. Just because you get your news from tweets, doesn’t mean you can label anyone a bigot you want. As a queer black woman, I thoroughly agreed with his sentiments in his last special. He made himself pretty clear and it does make sense. He said he was jealous of the LGBT movement. That does not make one a bigot.


New poster. I would not say that he's jealous of the movement. He believes it's over the top, ridiculous, and unworthy of the power it's earned so fast compared to the power of brown and black people after centuries of oppression.



He juxtaposes the minute and seemingly trivial things that the LGBTQ community rallies for with the basics belief that Black people deserve equal rights/to be treated just the same as White people, and continues on to compare how the world has changed much faster and easier for the LGBTQ community than it has for the Black community.

Pointing out facts in an uncomfortable way doesn't make him a bigot.

-Queer person





Exactly. Why is it that society is expected to coddle people who question their gender, but not expected to value and protect the lives of black people?


The pejorative use of the term “coddle” shows just how homophobic/transphobic you are. These are the same lines being used against the BLM movement by the alt right.

The fact that black people (rightfully) demand equity and are a-ok with hating on the gay/trans community is a real blind spot.




Coddle means to handle gently, which is the message I have received. I am to be at least neutral and definitely not question anyone's lived experience. Transgender people are a stark minority in this country, yet they somehow are more protected than black people, many of whom are in this country because of the slave trade and US slavery practices. I don't see anyone taking it easy on black folks, who have been enslaved, Jim Crowed, lynched, discriminated against, disenfranchised, etc on a vast scale for over 400 years.


That’s just factually and legally incorrect. There are laws that protect black people, for example, in the workplace. Most states have no laws protecting trans people.




Shall we discuss the new voting laws, which appear to be intended to make it increasingly difficult for black people to vote? Shutting down polling places, banning buses bringing people to vote, ending Sunday voting (Souls to the Polls) huh. Weird. For every law which supposedly (theoretically, really) protects black people's rights and safety, there are countless more which are intended to oppress and disenfranchise them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So any lgbtq students were required to listen to this bigot?


Gmafb.


+1,000,000


He is not a bigot. Just because you get your news from tweets, doesn’t mean you can label anyone a bigot you want. As a queer black woman, I thoroughly agreed with his sentiments in his last special. He made himself pretty clear and it does make sense. He said he was jealous of the LGBT movement. That does not make one a bigot.


New poster. I would not say that he's jealous of the movement. He believes it's over the top, ridiculous, and unworthy of the power it's earned so fast compared to the power of brown and black people after centuries of oppression.



He juxtaposes the minute and seemingly trivial things that the LGBTQ community rallies for with the basics belief that Black people deserve equal rights/to be treated just the same as White people, and continues on to compare how the world has changed much faster and easier for the LGBTQ community than it has for the Black community.

Pointing out facts in an uncomfortable way doesn't make him a bigot.

-Queer person





Exactly. Why is it that society is expected to coddle people who question their gender, but not expected to value and protect the lives of black people?


The pejorative use of the term “coddle” shows just how homophobic/transphobic you are. These are the same lines being used against the BLM movement by the alt right.

The fact that black people (rightfully) demand equity and are a-ok with hating on the gay/trans community is a real blind spot.




Coddle means to handle gently, which is the message I have received. I am to be at least neutral and definitely not question anyone's lived experience. Transgender people are a stark minority in this country, yet they somehow are more protected than black people, many of whom are in this country because of the slave trade and US slavery practices. I don't see anyone taking it easy on black folks, who have been enslaved, Jim Crowed, lynched, discriminated against, disenfranchised, etc on a vast scale for over 400 years.


go read literally anything about black trans women




Now do female victims of domestic violence.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I’ll bet he was hilarious.

#TeamChappelle


+1


+1
lucky kids!!
Anonymous
I am generally on Chappelle's side when it comes to this issue, but WOOF. It sounds like it went horribly. He was mean to the kids, he expected them to forgive him (and not apologize) and he taunted them for 1/2 the event.I think the school totally blew this on multiple fronts, focusing on celebrity worshiping by allowing him this unchecked forum without going over what was going to be said/done/groundrules (and also not allowing all students to speak including those that supported him). He definitely needs to hire a new spokesperson.

"“He said these kids deserve an F for forgiveness,” Sims said. But, “Give them some space to grow. They are going to say things that are immature.”"

From Politico....
A NOT-SO WELCOME HOMECOMING — DAVE CHAPPELLE made a surprise stop by D.C.’s Duke Ellington School of the Arts on Tuesday in the latest chapter of the running saga with his alma mater.

But if the self-proclaimed GOAT hoped to smooth things over amid the backlash over his jokes about transgender people, he was in for a surprise of his own.

Some 580 students packed into an auditorium to hear their school’s most famous alumnus discuss the uproar triggered by his Netflix special “The Closer.” With a camera crew in tow, Chappelle took the stage to a raucous reception of cheers and some boos — and the hourlong session went south from there, we’re told.

During a Q&A session, one student stepped to the mic and called Chappelle a “bigot,” adding, “I’m 16 and I think you’re childish, you handled it like a child,” according to two students present. The comments were confirmed by Chappelle’s spokesperson CARLA SIMS.

NO APOLOGIES: Chappelle responded, as recalled the next day by the students, “My friend, with all due respect, I don’t believe you could make one of the decisions I have to make on a given day.” That peeved some students who were hoping for an apology or some semblance of one from Chappelle.

In response to another antagonistic question, Chappelle roughly told the student body of artists: “I’m better than every instrumentalist, artist, no matter what art you do in this school, right now, I’m better than all of you. I’m sure that will change. I’m sure you’ll be household names soon.”

The students recalled that another student in the audience shouted at him, “Your comedy kills,” and Chappelle shot back, “N------ are killed every day.” He then asked, “The media’s not here, right?”

ONE DISTURBED PARENT: The two students we spoke to declined to go on the record out of fear of retribution from the school. The father of one of the students, who also declined to speak publicly to protect the identity of his daughter, said, “As a parent, I have to say I have a real problem. … He was being dead serious and using the n-word on the record. What kind of judgment is the school showing to allow that?”

Sims, the Chappelle spokesperson, responded: “They are complaining that he talked and said the n-word. If anything, Dave is putting the school on the map.” Chappelle has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for Duke Ellington and brought A-list celebrities such as BRADLEY COOPER and CHRIS TUCKER to its campus.

The two students who spoke to Playbook said they were afraid to speak up at the assembly because Chappelle often laughed at students’ questions or responded with jokes. At one point, after a student left the assembly room, Chappelle singled her out by saying, “Of course she left early.”

Sims said that person “couldn’t even entertain the idea of a conversation.”

Some students were equally put off by Chappelle.

“He could tell we were nervous,” said one of the students we spoke with. “It was a huge power imbalance of this grown man and his camera crew — and these 14- to 18 year-olds without their phones, just high school kids.” Students had to lock their phones in special pouches beforehand to prevent recordings.

A spokesperson for the school said that about eight students came forward to ask questions.

“During the conversation with students and staff, Chappelle specifically invited the voices of discontent to ask questions, however as a result, the supporters of Chappelle became the silent majority,” said Duke Ellington spokesperson SAVANNAH OVERTON.

“Our principal was approached by several students after the assembly who were disappointed that they were not able to voice their support for Chappelle in this forum.”

NO HARD FEELINGS: According to the students, Chappelle seemed to soften up as he wound down. Turning to the camera, he spoke out against death threats some students have received since protesting him. The school has responded by increasing security and barring students from leaving campus for lunch.

“His whole tone changed,” one of the students said. “He said, ‘This is my family and whether they know it or not I love these kids. … I don’t want to hear about any threats to these kids. These kids don’t deserve that.’”

“He was really kind,” the student added. “If [only] he [had] acted that way the whole time. … There was no reason to be mean to us. He was just laughing at kids.”

A PARTING GIFT: Sims said Chappelle was expecting forgiveness from students, not to offer an apology of his own. The school canceled and rescheduled an event to name its theater after him amid concern about student reactions to his special.

“He said these kids deserve an F for forgiveness,” Sims said. But, “Give them some space to grow. They are going to say things that are immature.”

On his way out, Chappelle gave three tickets to each of the students for the screening of his documentary “Untitled” at Capital One Arena that night and 600 Thanksgiving meals for students and staff.
Anonymous
Why does everyone have to have an opinion on EVERYTHING??!!!

- I'm not black

- I'm not trans

Are you?

Chappelle is black.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I am generally on Chappelle's side when it comes to this issue, but WOOF. It sounds like it went horribly. He was mean to the kids, he expected them to forgive him (and not apologize) and he taunted them for 1/2 the event.I think the school totally blew this on multiple fronts, focusing on celebrity worshiping by allowing him this unchecked forum without going over what was going to be said/done/groundrules (and also not allowing all students to speak including those that supported him). He definitely needs to hire a new spokesperson.

"“He said these kids deserve an F for forgiveness,” Sims said. But, “Give them some space to grow. They are going to say things that are immature.”"

From Politico....
A NOT-SO WELCOME HOMECOMING — DAVE CHAPPELLE made a surprise stop by D.C.’s Duke Ellington School of the Arts on Tuesday in the latest chapter of the running saga with his alma mater.

But if the self-proclaimed GOAT hoped to smooth things over amid the backlash over his jokes about transgender people, he was in for a surprise of his own.

Some 580 students packed into an auditorium to hear their school’s most famous alumnus discuss the uproar triggered by his Netflix special “The Closer.” With a camera crew in tow, Chappelle took the stage to a raucous reception of cheers and some boos — and the hourlong session went south from there, we’re told.

During a Q&A session, one student stepped to the mic and called Chappelle a “bigot,” adding, “I’m 16 and I think you’re childish, you handled it like a child,” according to two students present. The comments were confirmed by Chappelle’s spokesperson CARLA SIMS.

NO APOLOGIES: Chappelle responded, as recalled the next day by the students, “My friend, with all due respect, I don’t believe you could make one of the decisions I have to make on a given day.” That peeved some students who were hoping for an apology or some semblance of one from Chappelle.

In response to another antagonistic question, Chappelle roughly told the student body of artists: “I’m better than every instrumentalist, artist, no matter what art you do in this school, right now, I’m better than all of you. I’m sure that will change. I’m sure you’ll be household names soon.”

The students recalled that another student in the audience shouted at him, “Your comedy kills,” and Chappelle shot back, “N------ are killed every day.” He then asked, “The media’s not here, right?”

ONE DISTURBED PARENT: The two students we spoke to declined to go on the record out of fear of retribution from the school. The father of one of the students, who also declined to speak publicly to protect the identity of his daughter, said, “As a parent, I have to say I have a real problem. … He was being dead serious and using the n-word on the record. What kind of judgment is the school showing to allow that?”

Sims, the Chappelle spokesperson, responded: “They are complaining that he talked and said the n-word. If anything, Dave is putting the school on the map.” Chappelle has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for Duke Ellington and brought A-list celebrities such as BRADLEY COOPER and CHRIS TUCKER to its campus.

The two students who spoke to Playbook said they were afraid to speak up at the assembly because Chappelle often laughed at students’ questions or responded with jokes. At one point, after a student left the assembly room, Chappelle singled her out by saying, “Of course she left early.”

Sims said that person “couldn’t even entertain the idea of a conversation.”

Some students were equally put off by Chappelle.

“He could tell we were nervous,” said one of the students we spoke with. “It was a huge power imbalance of this grown man and his camera crew — and these 14- to 18 year-olds without their phones, just high school kids.” Students had to lock their phones in special pouches beforehand to prevent recordings.

A spokesperson for the school said that about eight students came forward to ask questions.

“During the conversation with students and staff, Chappelle specifically invited the voices of discontent to ask questions, however as a result, the supporters of Chappelle became the silent majority,” said Duke Ellington spokesperson SAVANNAH OVERTON.

“Our principal was approached by several students after the assembly who were disappointed that they were not able to voice their support for Chappelle in this forum.”

NO HARD FEELINGS: According to the students, Chappelle seemed to soften up as he wound down. Turning to the camera, he spoke out against death threats some students have received since protesting him. The school has responded by increasing security and barring students from leaving campus for lunch.

“His whole tone changed,” one of the students said. “He said, ‘This is my family and whether they know it or not I love these kids. … I don’t want to hear about any threats to these kids. These kids don’t deserve that.’”

“He was really kind,” the student added. “If [only] he [had] acted that way the whole time. … There was no reason to be mean to us. He was just laughing at kids.”

A PARTING GIFT: Sims said Chappelle was expecting forgiveness from students, not to offer an apology of his own. The school canceled and rescheduled an event to name its theater after him amid concern about student reactions to his special.

“He said these kids deserve an F for forgiveness,” Sims said. But, “Give them some space to grow. They are going to say things that are immature.”

On his way out, Chappelle gave three tickets to each of the students for the screening of his documentary “Untitled” at Capital One Arena that night and 600 Thanksgiving meals for students and staff.





Good for him!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:He also said “ Every human being in this room, every human being on earth, had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on earth. This is a fact.”

Which is clearly wrong. Weird he is so off base but sometime heroes fall.


You know what he means and you are clearly twisting his words. It’s important to distinguish between sex and gender. Especially in medicine. There are conditions that are more prevalent depending on your sex (M/F) regardless of whether you identify as the other gender. This is very important. You wouldn’t want a doctor to misdiagnose you bc you conflate the two.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all falling for the oldest trick in the book? Divide and conquer.


The responses are by black queer people. You cannot divide intersectional identity. The queer person who lost his job at Netflix for complaining about their perception of heterosexist content in Chapelle’s show black. Would he have been fired if he was white?

There is a lot of subtlety in Chapelle’s message and quite a bit of confirmation that the joke may be on us regarding the response.

If you haven’t watched please take a look at the show before commenting. Just his revelation of his survivorship of sexual abuse was uncomfortable yet empowering for other survivors.

The whole show made me very uncomfortable, but I think that was the point.


Netflix person did not lose their job for complaining. Stop regurgitating Tweets. They lost their job for leaking confidential information.
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Anonymous wrote:So any lgbtq students were required to listen to this bigot?


Gmafb.


+1,000,000


He is not a bigot. Just because you get your news from tweets, doesn’t mean you can label anyone a bigot you want. As a queer black woman, I thoroughly agreed with his sentiments in his last special. He made himself pretty clear and it does make sense. He said he was jealous of the LGBT movement. That does not make one a bigot.


New poster. I would not say that he's jealous of the movement. He believes it's over the top, ridiculous, and unworthy of the power it's earned so fast compared to the power of brown and black people after centuries of oppression.



He juxtaposes the minute and seemingly trivial things that the LGBTQ community rallies for with the basics belief that Black people deserve equal rights/to be treated just the same as White people, and continues on to compare how the world has changed much faster and easier for the LGBTQ community than it has for the Black community.

Pointing out facts in an uncomfortable way doesn't make him a bigot.

-Queer person





Exactly. Why is it that society is expected to coddle people who question their gender, but not expected to value and protect the lives of black people?


The pejorative use of the term “coddle” shows just how homophobic/transphobic you are. These are the same lines being used against the BLM movement by the alt right.

The fact that black people (rightfully) demand equity and are a-ok with hating on the gay/trans community is a real blind spot.




Coddle means to handle gently, which is the message I have received. I am to be at least neutral and definitely not question anyone's lived experience. Transgender people are a stark minority in this country, yet they somehow are more protected than black people, many of whom are in this country because of the slave trade and US slavery practices. I don't see anyone taking it easy on black folks, who have been enslaved, Jim Crowed, lynched, discriminated against, disenfranchised, etc on a vast scale for over 400 years.


That’s just factually and legally incorrect. There are laws that protect black people, for example, in the workplace. Most states have no laws protecting trans people.




Shall we discuss the new voting laws, which appear to be intended to make it increasingly difficult for black people to vote? Shutting down polling places, banning buses bringing people to vote, ending Sunday voting (Souls to the Polls) huh. Weird. For every law which supposedly (theoretically, really) protects black people's rights and safety, there are countless more which are intended to oppress and disenfranchise them.


That doesn’t make black people less protected than trans people. Those laws hurt trans people too.
Anonymous
Queer block woman again.

This is the problem as I see it.

In the black community, not agreeing with someone does not equal racism. You don’t have to wholly subscribe to all ways of thinking because a black person says it. We are not monolith folk. We can be republican, think OJ did it, think Farrakhan goes too far (while maybe still agreeing with some points). As Dave says, black folk continue to be at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to minority groups. The way of thinking that if your don’t agree then you’re Xist needs to stop on this group and in our country. It’s similar with speaking up against or not in agreement with my Jewish brethren. You can still love a group of people but not subscribe to all their politics.

For the PP that mentioned black voting rights before LGBT, are you serious? Black people had been here for 400 years before they got voting rights, of which are still not granted in an equitable way. LGBT folk just started their crusade and are on equal footing as black community. That’s a great thing if you look at it that way. As Dave says, it’s admirable and he’s jealous that black folks didn’t have the same path.
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