Notre Dame

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Anonymous wrote:Lol... I'm Catholic and ND definitely does not play with the Ivies or Stanford... LOL.

Being Catholic doesn't give you any inside knowledge on which schools Notre Dame "plays with."

Do they teach reading for comprehension and critical thinking at ND? The PP is obviously mentioning that they are Catholic to show that they have an affiliation that might make them predisposed to award more points to ND. But even as a Catholic, they find the idea that ND is on the level of Ivies or Stanford to be laughable.

One of the reasons these threads are so tedious is that all the ND boosters are kind of dim, which makes arguing with them exhausting. That should really tell you everything you need to know.

NP. It is interesting to see the various perspectives of hating on ND. I have categorized them as follows:

1) Those who are anti-Catholic and liberal who would consider every other top 20 as elite -- but never ND.

2) Those who are Catholic (or not), applied, and were rejected. Admissions to this school is becoming more and more challenging, with many big donor legacies even getting rejected or deferred. Especially those who applied along with the ivies, thinking it might be a backup...it is highly possible some HYPS admits were rejected from ND.

3) The Georgetown boosters.

4) And then the roll of the mill DCUM haters in general...they love piling on the negativity at every opportunity.

I don't "hate" ND, but I do think the boosters are over the top. Lots of my family went there and have nephews and nieces there now. It's a good school with a lot of spirit. But it's still not in the Ivy category.

Got it, you sound like the mouth breather in the family that couldn't get in, seems like your entire family minus you and your kids got in. Nice self-own even though you're too stupid to realize it. I can't stand ND but idiots like you are just easy to disparage. Just accept your place in life, imagine it wasn't even a top 50 but you're OK little anonymous poster.

Wow, pretty touchy. I went to my state's flagship(Michigan) for a lot less money, had no interest in applying to ND and have a PhD (from an Ivy), but you can believe whatever you like if it suits your narrative. My eldest is at UVA and don't know where my second will go as they are only a sophomore in HS, but ND wasn't on our list at all. My family that goes to ND all live in the Midwest and are practicing Catholics. I am not a practicing Catholic nor are my kids. Nor do they have much interest in going to school in the Midwest--not even my alma mater. Like I said, nothing against ND--except that sometimes the boosters--which you showed nicely--are a bit...much.

Nah, not touchy, just can't stand the constant bashing of good schools on this site. Don't really care about your superfluous comment about a PhD from an "Ivy." I mean I can throw out my credentials, UCLA and Stanford but you know throwing that out on an anonymous board where only you feel good is a bit narcissistic. I wish you the best. On another note my kid is at UVA too so "Go HOOS!" That ND game last weekend was excruciating. Going to be a tough game against Pitt this weekend, hope Armstrong is back but the Tech game will be epic!

You're giving me a bit of whiplash here --I say ND is a "good school with a lot of spirit" and that's what you call bashing? Worthy of calling me "too stupid" and a "mouth breather" etc and making assumptions about where my kids and I went to school. But then also "I wish you the best" and Go Hoos! Maybe a little too much pre-gaming?? Whew. I wish you the best too.

My Goodness, I went full DCUM, I apologize. I seriously just get tired of all the college bashing on here. There are so many amazing schools in this country and it seems that unless you're a top 20 here you're a loser...it bothers me. Anyway, GO HOOS!

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Anonymous wrote:It’s so obvious you weird tiger moms who romantize (and obsess over) the Ivies have never been to them, let alone attended any of them — and certainly not in 2021. They’re full of pushy annoying obnoxious cutthroat and conniving strivers — hardly an ideal setting for a normal clean cut overachievers with deep Catholic faith and values. Notre Dame is the ideal ethos.

That's hilarious, whether taken as sincere or evaluated as trolling. The biggest suck-up at my kid's high school went to Notre Dame. Nice kid in some ways, but very "Tracy Flick" in others.

I have no particular POV when it comes to ND, other than to note that on this forum the ND boosters don't have good deflection skills. Anyone with a brain knows there isn't a top college that won't get attacked for some reason on this forum, and some of the ND posters don't seem to have any capacity to yawn effectively.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Stanford, ND offers the best combination of top-notch academics, all around excellence in athletics (not just football) and alumni networking. It also has one of the largest endowments in the country, more than half the Ivies and nearly 10 times Georgetown’s. These are facts, not hyperbole.

Uh, no. I’m hiring the Stanford grad over ND any day of the week

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Anonymous wrote:Agree with what has been said about high stats needed without hook. My high stats son was admitted with no hook but he attended a Catholic HS which is a significant feeder to ND.

The most important aspect of the application are the essays. There's a lot of good information in this video of Don Bishop, the VP of Enrollment. It's from 2016, but not much has changed in terms of his advice. We followed his suggestions here and son accepted REA. The most important thing is showing how you will fit into ND..what will you give and what will you get. The crucial section starts at 36:00.

This was really helpful. Thanks. When you say high stats, would you mind defining more? My kid can't figure out if he is a reach or a more of a target (understanding all schools at this level are a lottery).

This came out of Notre Dame's 2020-21 CDS report. It gives middle 50% of ACT and SAT scores and also breaks down percentage of students achieving score ranged. Hope this gives you an idea.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Stanford, ND offers the best combination of top-notch academics, all around excellence in athletics (not just football) and alumni networking. It also has one of the largest endowments in the country, more than half the Ivies and nearly 10 times Georgetown’s. These are facts, not hyperbole.

Uh, no. I’m hiring the Stanford grad over ND any day of the week

I'm a Stanford grad and that's a stupid paradigm. You hire on merit, you must not be good at your job.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Stanford, ND offers the best combination of top-notch academics, all around excellence in athletics (not just football) and alumni networking. It also has one of the largest endowments in the country, more than half the Ivies and nearly 10 times Georgetown’s. These are facts, not hyperbole.

Uh, no. I’m hiring the Stanford grad over ND any day of the week

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And I'm a double Harvard grad. ND doesn't cut it in my book.

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Anonymous wrote:Admittedly, if DC had a choice of UChicago, Princeton or ND we would all choose ND.

You would forfeit Princeton for ND? Seriously? Princeton is the finest undergrad in the country. My DCs would have killed to have gotten into it. Waitlisted. ND wasn't even on the list

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Stanford, ND offers the best combination of top-notch academics, all around excellence in athletics (not just football) and alumni networking. It also has one of the largest endowments in the country, more than half the Ivies and nearly 10 times Georgetown’s. These are facts, not hyperbole.

Uh, no. I’m hiring the Stanford grad over ND any day of the week

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And I'm a double Harvard grad. ND doesn't cut it in my book.

Well, says a lot about "Harvard" grads...overrated insufferable idiots.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s be real here. You’re not gonna find a Michigan grad who praises ND. You have to take the Michigan grad with a grain of salt.

One of my kids turned down ND for UVA in state. I think it made a lot of sense money-wise, but I’m not going to say that UVA is a better school. It isn’t.

Thanks for your opinion.

By what objective measure is UVA better?

ND. Well, for starters UVA sends more Rhodes, Marshall and Fulbrights overseas than ND by far. Ask anyone at Oxford.

That’s definitely true historically. But not anymore. Also, UVA is twice as large as ND.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Stanford, ND offers the best combination of top-notch academics, all around excellence in athletics (not just football) and alumni networking. It also has one of the largest endowments in the country, more than half the Ivies and nearly 10 times Georgetown’s. These are facts, not hyperbole.

Duke, Vandy, and Michigan all disagree (and the Stanford, Vandy, and Michigan alumni and parents aren't even predominantly insufferable).

Except their athletes aren’t on ND’s level, especially Vanderbilt’s.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Stanford, ND offers the best combination of top-notch academics, all around excellence in athletics (not just football) and alumni networking. It also has one of the largest endowments in the country, more than half the Ivies and nearly 10 times Georgetown’s. These are facts, not hyperbole.

Uh, no. I’m hiring the Stanford grad over ND any day of the week

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And I'm a double Harvard grad. ND doesn't cut it in my book.

And neither of you read very well. I said “other than Stanford” first of all, and second of all I didn’t say ND is number one when it comes to hiring. I specifically said “the best combination.”

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Anonymous wrote:It’s so obvious you weird tiger moms who romantize (and obsess over) the Ivies have never been to them, let alone attended any of them — and certainly not in 2021. They’re full of pushy annoying obnoxious cutthroat and conniving strivers — hardly an ideal setting for normal clean cut overachievers with deep Catholic faith and values. Notre Dame is the ideal ethos.

That's hilarious, whether taken as sincere or evaluated as trolling. The biggest suck-up at my kid's high school went to Notre Dame. Nice kid in some ways, but very "Tracy Flick" in others.

I have no particular POV when it comes to ND, other than to note that on this forum the ND boosters don't have good deflection skills. Anyone with a brain knows there isn't a top college that won't get attacked for some reason on this forum, and some of the ND posters don't seem to have any capacity to yawn effectively.

The fact you think I was trolling teases out you are NOT Catholic, thus YOU are only in this thread to troll. You literally can’t imagine clean cut teens with a deep Catholic faith and value system — and wanting to be around like-minded devout peers from age 18 to 22, instead of a campus full of pathological lying scheming atheists at an Ivy.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s so obvious you weird tiger moms who romantize (and obsess over) the Ivies have never been to them, let alone attended any of them — and certainly not in 2021. They’re full of pushy annoying obnoxious cutthroat and conniving strivers — hardly an ideal setting for normal clean cut overachievers with deep Catholic faith and values. Notre Dame is the ideal ethos.

That's hilarious, whether taken as sincere or evaluated as trolling. The biggest suck-up at my kid's high school went to Notre Dame. Nice kid in some ways, but very "Tracy Flick" in others.

I have no particular POV when it comes to ND, other than to note that on this forum the ND boosters don't have good deflection skills. Anyone with a brain knows there isn't a top college that won't get attacked for some reason on this forum, and some of the ND posters don't seem to have any capacity to yawn effectively.

The fact you think I was trolling teases out you are NOT Catholic, thus YOU are only in this thread to troll. You literally can’t imagine clean cut teens with a deep Catholic faith and value system — and wanting to be around like-minded devout peers from age 18 to 22, instead of a campus full of pathological lying scheming atheists at an Ivy.

Go nuclear! I'm a NP and could care less about any of your religious leanings so this is amusing. Keep it going for the pure entertainment.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Stanford, ND offers the best combination of top-notch academics, all around excellence in athletics (not just football) and alumni networking. It also has one of the largest endowments in the country, more than half the Ivies and nearly 10 times Georgetown’s. These are facts, not hyperbole.

Duke, Vandy, and Michigan all disagree (and the Stanford, Vandy, and Michigan alumni and parents aren't even predominantly insufferable).

Plus Cal, Texas, UCLA, USC, UNC....

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You people watch way too many movies and I’m guessing a lot of you are typical first or second gen strivers living in DMV who’ve clearly never attended an Ivy. They’re not full of rich and pretty old money wasps who can’t wait to invite your unwashed lower rung teen into their high caste lifestyle. And an Ivy BA is not a golden ticket to a plum gig making a boatload of money.

Notre Dame’s campus culture isn’t perfect, but it’s the purest and most pleasant in the top 30 or so, that’s for sure. For a very smart Catholic kid, there isn’t a better place to spend age 18 to 22 at — making friends for life and likely meeting a spouse along the way.