Notre Dame

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Anonymous wrote:You people watch way too many movies and I’m guessing a lot of you are typical first or second gen strivers living in DMV who’ve clearly never attended an Ivy. They’re not full of rich and pretty old money wasps who can’t wait to invite your unwashed lower rung teen into their high caste lifestyle. And an Ivy BA is not a golden ticket to a plum gig making a boatload of money.

Notre Dame’s campus culture isn’t perfect, but it’s the purest and most pleasant in the top 30 or so, that’s for sure. For a very smart Catholic kid, there isn’t a better place to spend age 18 to 22 at — making friends for life and likely meeting a spouse along the way.

What a load of garbage. ND’s campus is full of kids raised in conservative homes who get to college and then swear, drink and fornicate like kids at any other school. In no sense is it “purer” than any other school - and certainly being around a bunch of old priests isn’t especially pleasant, either.

Uh, are ND students and grads more likely to say something like "the campus culture is the most pure"? Because if so, yuck, I will steer my kid away from this school. That's a weird and gross way to describe culture, especially when you're talking about a school with a very Catholic (and white) culture. Just... no.

No, ND grads and students would certainly not describe the campus culture as "pure." They know better. Sure, there are rules trying to keep the opposite sex out of the others' dorms overnight, but it certainly doesn't stop sex, drugs, and alcohol use. The poster using that term sounds like a hopeful parent praying to keep Mary Margaret (goes by Meg, she does) a virgin until she's 28.

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Anonymous wrote:ND's acceptance rate is higher when compared to peers.

Marginally. It was 14 percent at ND, 12 at Georgetown, 9 at Rice and 21 at UVA. It’s also had a higher yield that any of these. You reach a point where it doesn’t matter.

Actually after the waitlist games ,it ( and Vanderbilt) are notoriously known for, it's 15%. Also, the yeild is higher because they have less applicants.
On topic ND is the second best religiously affiliated school in the country. Considering both us news and WSJ.

That's not how yield works, idiot. They have a higher yield because it's more of a "destination" school than the others. Meaning it's a first choice for more of its applicants than other schools in its peer group. We've been alluding to this for the whole thread.

As for your claim that ND plays a "waiting list" game, you might want to google that. You have to thrown the last two admissions cycles out the window because of the pandemic. For example, in 2020 nearly half of Wash U's entering class was admitted off the wait list. According to the Common Data Set for ND, before the pandemic it never admitted more than 5 percent of incoming students from the wait list and in several recent years it didn't take anyone from the wait list at all.

You're right about Vanderbilt, though. It looks like they routinely take quite a few applicants from the WL.

The point is out of the peer schools it's probably the easiest to get into. Vandy, Rice, Emory, WashU, Georgetown, Cornell all have lower acceptance rates. No UVA isn't a peer school.

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Anonymous wrote:ND's acceptance rate is higher when compared to peers.

Marginally. It was 14 percent at ND, 12 at Georgetown, 9 at Rice and 21 at UVA. It’s also had a higher yield that any of these. You reach a point where it doesn’t matter.

Actually after the waitlist games ,it ( and Vanderbilt) are notoriously known for, it's 15%. Also, the yeild is higher because they have less applicants.
On topic ND is the second best religiously affiliated school in the country. Considering both us news and WSJ.

That's not how yield works, idiot. They have a higher yield because it's more of a "destination" school than the others. Meaning it's a first choice for more of its applicants than other schools in its peer group. We've been alluding to this for the whole thread.

As for your claim that ND plays a "waiting list" game, you might want to google that. You have to thrown the last two admissions cycles out the window because of the pandemic. For example, in 2020 nearly half of Wash U's entering class was admitted off the wait list. According to the Common Data Set for ND, before the pandemic it never admitted more than 5 percent of incoming students from the wait list and in several recent years it didn't take anyone from the wait list at all.

You're right about Vanderbilt, though. It looks like they routinely take quite a few applicants from the WL.

The point is out of the peer schools it's probably the easiest to get into. Vandy, Rice, Emory, WashU, Georgetown, Cornell all have lower acceptance rates. No UVA isn't a peer school.

Higher acceptance rates don't necessarily mean a school is easier to get into. What matters are the stats of admitted students. ND's stats compare very well with Georgetown and Emory at a minimum.

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Stats for 2020-21:

ND: SATs 1400-1550; ACTs 32-35 Top 10% 90%
GT: SATs: 1380-1530 ACTs: 31-35 Top 10% 83%
Emory: SATs: 1400-1510 ACTs: 31-34 Top 10% 83%


Winner: ND

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Cornell: SATs 1410-1530 ACTs: 32-35 Top 10% 83

Also no better than ND's.

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ACT 25 ACT 75 SAT 25 SAT 75
Harvard 33 35 1460 1580
Yale 33 35 1460 1580
Princeton 32 35 1460 1560
Brown 33 35 1440 1550
Columbia 33 35 1480 1560
Dartmouth 32 35 1430 1550
Penn 33 35 1460 1570
Cornell 32 35 1410 1530
JHU 33 35 1480 1550
WashU 33 35 1480 1560
Duke 33 35 1480 1570
Notre Dame32 35 1400 1550
Northwestern33 35 1430 1540
Emory 31 34 1400 1510
Stanford 31 35 1420 1550
Rice 33 35 1470 1570
MIT 34 36 1510 1580
Vandy 33 35 1460 1560

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Another thing about Notre Dame: their PR is better than anyone's. Here's a sample of their "What Would You Fight For" series that they show during halftime of their NBC televised football games:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0HJXUXieLQ&list=PL7703F9874A79FFD1&index=22

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ND's acceptance rate is higher when compared to peers.

Marginally. It was 14 percent at ND, 12 at Georgetown, 9 at Rice and 21 at UVA. It’s also had a higher yield that any of these. You reach a point where it doesn’t matter.

Actually after the waitlist games ,it ( and Vanderbilt) are notoriously known for, it's 15%. Also, the yeild is higher because they have less applicants.
On topic ND is the second best religiously affiliated school in the country. Considering both us news and WSJ.

That's not how yield works, idiot. They have a higher yield because it's more of a "destination" school than the others. Meaning it's a first choice for more of its applicants than other schools in its peer group. We've been alluding to this for the whole thread.

As for your claim that ND plays a "waiting list" game, you might want to google that. You have to thrown the last two admissions cycles out the window because of the pandemic. For example, in 2020 nearly half of Wash U's entering class was admitted off the wait list. According to the Common Data Set for ND, before the pandemic it never admitted more than 5 percent of incoming students from the wait list and in several recent years it didn't take anyone from the wait list at all.

You're right about Vanderbilt, though. It looks like they routinely take quite a few applicants from the WL.

The point is out of the peer schools it's probably the easiest to get into. Vandy, Rice, Emory, WashU, Georgetown, Cornell all have lower acceptance rates. No UVA isn't a peer school.

Higher acceptance rates don't necessarily mean a school is easier to get into. What matters are the stats of admitted students. ND's stats compare very well with Georgetown and Emory at a minimum.

In the top 20 schools stats are just part of the picture. You can get into HYPSM with the same stats as the t25 schools, but it's what you have beyond that that matters. I think for schools that rank lower than the T30 or so, it's meaningful to compare admitted students stats rather than acceptance rates, but among the top 30 it's not mainly about higher stats after you've gotten a 1450 or whatever. After that --acceptance rate tells you more because the lower the acceptance rate is the more you have to shine in some other way--through your achievements, your ECs beyond stats and grades (or legacy or donor of course!) I think for schools in the 30-50 range it's far more important to look at stats because some schools are ranked high with not as strong of students, they are just popular, whereas other schools have students with far higher stats but also higher acceptance rates because they are more niche.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ND's acceptance rate is higher when compared to peers.

Marginally. It was 14 percent at ND, 12 at Georgetown, 9 at Rice and 21 at UVA. It’s also had a higher yield that any of these. You reach a point where it doesn’t matter.

Actually after the waitlist games ,it ( and Vanderbilt) are notoriously known for, it's 15%. Also, the yeild is higher because they have less applicants.
On topic ND is the second best religiously affiliated school in the country. Considering both us news and WSJ.

That's not how yield works, idiot. They have a higher yield because it's more of a "destination" school than the others. Meaning it's a first choice for more of its applicants than other schools in its peer group. We've been alluding to this for the whole thread.

As for your claim that ND plays a "waiting list" game, you might want to google that. You have to thrown the last two admissions cycles out the window because of the pandemic. For example, in 2020 nearly half of Wash U's entering class was admitted off the wait list. According to the Common Data Set for ND, before the pandemic it never admitted more than 5 percent of incoming students from the wait list and in several recent years it didn't take anyone from the wait list at all.

You're right about Vanderbilt, though. It looks like they routinely take quite a few applicants from the WL.

The point is out of the peer schools it's probably the easiest to get into. Vandy, Rice, Emory, WashU, Georgetown, Cornell all have lower acceptance rates. No UVA isn't a peer school.

Higher acceptance rates don't necessarily mean a school is easier to get into. What matters are the stats of admitted students. ND's stats compare very well with Georgetown and Emory at a minimum.

In the top 20 schools stats are just part of the picture. You can get into HYPSM with the same stats as the t25 schools, but it's what you have beyond that that matters. I think for schools that rank lower than the T30 or so, it's meaningful to compare admitted students stats rather than acceptance rates, but among the top 30 it's not mainly about higher stats after you've gotten a 1450 or whatever. After that --acceptance rate tells you more because the lower the acceptance rate is the more you have to shine in some other way--through your achievements, your ECs beyond stats and grades (or legacy or donor of course!) I think for schools in the 30-50 range it's far more important to look at stats because some schools are ranked high with not as strong of students, they are just popular, whereas other schools have students with far higher stats but also higher acceptance rates because they are more niche.

Or it was luck of the draw and the winners trying to convince themselves that they are the most special.

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Well whaddya know? Another ND grad just named a Rhodes Scholar. But none from UVA this year.

https://www.nd.edu/stories/rhodes-scholars-2022/

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Years ago, the ND student government sent letters to Northwestern and the University of Chicago asking to form a Midwest Ivy League. The NU and UC student bodies had the tact to not respond, but it gives you a sense for where Notre Dame sits on the hierarchy and how they perceive (and want to perceive) themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, the ND student government sent letters to Northwestern and the University of Chicago asking to form a Midwest Ivy League. The NU and UC student bodies had the tact to not respond, but it gives you a sense for where Notre Dame sits on the hierarchy and how they perceive (and want to perceive) themselves.

Baloney. This never happened.

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, the ND student government sent letters to Northwestern and the University of Chicago asking to form a Midwest Ivy League. The NU and UC student bodies had the tact to not respond, but it gives you a sense for where Notre Dame sits on the hierarchy and how they perceive (and want to perceive) themselves.

I'll take sh*t that didn't happen for $500, Alex.

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, the ND student government sent letters to Northwestern and the University of Chicago asking to form a Midwest Ivy League. The NU and UC student bodies had the tact to not respond, but it gives you a sense for where Notre Dame sits on the hierarchy and how they perceive (and want to perceive) themselves.

Do you know how much money they make by not being in an athletic conference? This would not make any sense.
Nearly a century ago they did discuss joing the Big10.

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, the ND student government sent letters to Northwestern and the University of Chicago asking to form a Midwest Ivy League. The NU and UC student bodies had the tact to not respond, but it gives you a sense for where Notre Dame sits on the hierarchy and how they perceive (and want to perceive) themselves.

DP— I can’t speak to the veracity of this, but this was a well-known story in my circle of ND alums back in my day (early 2000s). The overture was to create an academic Midwest Ivy League equivalent, not an athletic one, if I recall correctly.