Notre Dame

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Anonymous wrote:ND boosters are the worst next to the UVA boosters. ND is in a dreadful town in Indiana. Good luck with that.

Have you ever been there? While South Bend is indeed a dump, when we visited when my daughter was considering applying, it seems the University has created like a faux downtown next to campus. Looking at a map, I think this is called "Eddy Street Commons"? And South Bend is close enough to Chicago for big group events on the town via coach bus.

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Also undergraduates live on campus all 4 years, so there's no real mixing or living amongst locals. If you have to live in a dumpy town, better to do it at a school where you live in the campus bubble, than a place where your kid has to live off campus.

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Anonymous wrote:ND alum here and a flaming liberal. ND is not "right wing." It certainly has more right wing and right of center students than most of the other top 25 universities, but its students are still overwhelmingly center left and left wing. The school went 66 to 27 for Biden in the 2020 mock election, for example. Its student body is a lot like UVA's or Vanderbilt's, but with more of a religious element. Right wing rags like the National Review routinely trash Notre Dame for not being conservative enough.

27 percent voted for Trump? My God. I don't think that's the redeeming statistic you think it is.

28 percent of Fairfax County voters voted for Trump. Is Fairfax County "right wing?"

That is not the correct comparison. A more appropriate comparison would be to find the statistic for 18-22 year olds with a high school diploma and/or some college. The youth vote tends to be the most liberal. I'm sure someone can dig up the 18-22 stat if they have the time.

Biden actually lost ground amongst younger people vs. 2016. Trump got 38% of Millenial/Gen Z voters (vs. 31% in 2016), and 42% of college graduates, so 27% is lower than average. “Some college” was even higher for Trump, at 50%.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

But when you combine 18-22 and enrolled in a 4 year college (especially if you qualified it as a selective college) I'm sure you'd end up with even lower Trump numbers since those are both v. low categories for him.

If you picked and chose which colleges, maybe, but otherwise, unlikely. I haven’t seen numbers for “enrolled” in college, because I don’t think that was an exit poll question? Besides, the “enrolled” students would show up in “some college,” which gave a higher % to Trump than “college graduates.”

No because some college is for all ages--you took a couple classes, went to CC etc. not that you're partly through college.

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Anonymous wrote:ND alum here and a flaming liberal. ND is not "right wing." It certainly has more right wing and right of center students than most of the other top 25 universities, but its students are still overwhelmingly center left and left wing. The school went 66 to 27 for Biden in the 2020 mock election, for example. Its student body is a lot like UVA's or Vanderbilt's, but with more of a religious element. Right wing rags like the National Review routinely trash Notre Dame for not being conservative enough.

27 percent voted for Trump? My God. I don't think that's the redeeming statistic you think it is.

28 percent of Fairfax County voters voted for Trump. Is Fairfax County "right wing?"

That is not the correct comparison. A more appropriate comparison would be to find the statistic for 18-22 year olds with a high school diploma and/or some college. The youth vote tends to be the most liberal. I'm sure someone can dig up the 18-22 stat if they have the time.

Biden actually lost ground amongst younger people vs. 2016. Trump got 38% of Millenial/Gen Z voters (vs. 31% in 2016), and 42% of college graduates, so 27% is lower than average. “Some college” was even higher for Trump, at 50%.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

But when you combine 18-22 and enrolled in a 4 year college (especially if you qualified it as a selective college) I'm sure you'd end up with even lower Trump numbers since those are both v. low categories for him.

You can quibble all you want, but an institution that voted 2/3 for Biden in 2020 and 2/3 for Clinton before him is not “right wing” by any reasonable definition.

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Anonymous wrote:ND alum here and a flaming liberal. ND is not "right wing." It certainly has more right wing and right of center students than most of the other top 25 universities, but its students are still overwhelmingly center left and left wing. The school went 66 to 27 for Biden in the 2020 mock election, for example. Its student body is a lot like UVA's or Vanderbilt's, but with more of a religious element. Right wing rags like the National Review routinely trash Notre Dame for not being conservative enough.

I don’t know when you graduated but it was a much more liberal school under Father Ted. It changed dramatically when he retired. It was liberal in the best way too with the “if you want peace - work for justice” way. It feels more “I gotta get mine” now and very conservative in comparison.

I graduated in Father Ted’s last year as president. I don’t disagree that the school is more conservative now than then, but unfortunately the whole damned country is more polarized. My only point is that it’s not “right wing.” It’s not Pepperdine, Hillsdale or BYU. It has a vocal conservative presence, absolutely, but the typical student is more likely to be liberal or apathetic than conservative. Again, it’s similar to UVA.

The law school is a different matter entirely, though.

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Anonymous wrote:ND boosters are the worst next to the UVA boosters. ND is in a dreadful town in Indiana. Good luck with that.

I can't emphasize that enough. And the weather...

+1. Deal killer.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s not a surprise with W&M spawn the likes of Psaki and Comey. Not a comfortable place for those with dissenting opinions on matters great and small.

No, W&M has plenty of dissenting opinions--and plenty of Republicans--just not many who would consider voting for Trump.

I didn’t realize that currency students posted here! Please share some examples. I thought you all were busy posting on YikYak. Thank you for taking the time to join us.

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Current, not currency.

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You can tell this thread is just non-Catholic trolls. For kids who are actually Catholic and dream their entire life of getting into the college, the geography and cold grey skies are non-factors. The (often rich) smart Catholic kids who get into ND these days could have their pick of an Ivy, Duke or Stanford -- they don't bother. They want to be at Notre Dame.

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Anonymous wrote:You can tell this thread is just non-Catholic trolls. For kids who are actually Catholic and dream their entire life of getting into the college, the geography and cold grey skies are non-factors. The (often rich) smart Catholic kids who get into ND these days could have their pick of an Ivy, Duke or Stanford -- they don't bother. They want to be at Notre Dame.

+100

To those who know Notre Dame, no explanation is necessary. To those who don't, no explanation will suffice.

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Son lasted a year. The winters and lack of big city life (dullsville) to him) did him in. He ended up at an east coast college which suited him much more plus he was 3 hours from home. its not for everyone. Fun school with spirit overload. This is one school I would say to definitely visit just because of where it is.

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I think you have to live on campus 3 years, not 4, but I'm not sure what the current rules are.

As for politics, you'll definitely find some conservative Catholic who vote Republican, but overall it's far more balanced than most left-leaning schools. I think that freaks out some who have lived in a blue bubble all their lives.

I'd also agree with the PP--for many kids, ND is *the only* school

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Anonymous wrote:Son lasted a year. The winters and lack of big city life (dullsville) to him) did him in. He ended up at an east coast college which suited him much more plus he was 3 hours from home. its not for everyone. Fun school with spirit overload. This is one school I would say to definitely visit just because of where it is.

LOL at "it's not for everyone." Apparently it's for everybody BUT your son. Notre Dame's 98 percent freshmen retention rate is higher than every university in the country but two: MIT and University of Chicago.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

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Anonymous wrote:Son lasted a year. The winters and lack of big city life (dullsville) to him) did him in. He ended up at an east coast college which suited him much more plus he was 3 hours from home. its not for everyone. Fun school with spirit overload. This is one school I would say to definitely visit just because of where it is.

LOL at "it's not for everyone." Apparently it's for everybody BUT your son. Notre Dame's 98 percent freshmen retention rate is higher than every university in the country but two: MIT and University of Chicago.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

Rating a school based mainly on its location is shallow imho. ND has so much to offer, the location shouldn't matter. Chicago nearby is a nice-to-have.

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Anonymous wrote:Son lasted a year. The winters and lack of big city life (dullsville) to him) did him in. He ended up at an east coast college which suited him much more plus he was 3 hours from home. its not for everyone. Fun school with spirit overload. This is one school I would say to definitely visit just because of where it is.

LOL at "it's not for everyone." Apparently it's for everybody BUT your son. Notre Dame's 98 percent freshmen retention rate is higher than every university in the country but two: MIT and University of Chicago.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

Rating a school based mainly on its location is shallow imho. ND has so much to offer, the location shouldn't matter. Chicago nearby is a nice-to-have.

+1 As a parent, I view this as less distractions and opportunities to spend money. Focus on bonding with classmates, football games, and studies. Love it.