Notre Dame

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP here. Here are specifics:

Over the last 40 years (since 1981), UVA has had 17 Rhodes winners. In three of those years (2005, 2014, and 2017) it's had two winners in the same year.

ND has had 11 winners over the same time period. It, too, has had two winners in the same year in three of those years (1986, 1997, and 2017).

29 of UVA's 55 Rhodes were won before 1960. Since 1960, UVA has won 26 Rhodes and ND has won 16. ND's undergraduate enrollment is 8900; UVA's is 17,000.

Neck and neck.

This is like picking a car based on its hood ornament.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ND's acceptance rate is higher when compared to peers.

Marginally. It was 14 percent at ND, 12 at Georgetown, 9 at Rice and 21 at UVA. It’s also had a higher yield that any of these. You reach a point where it doesn’t matter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. Here are specifics:

Over the last 40 years (since 1981), UVA has had 17 Rhodes winners. In three of those years (2005, 2014, and 2017) it's had two winners in the same year.

ND has had 11 winners over the same time period. It, too, has had two winners in the same year in three of those years (1986, 1997, and 2017).

29 of UVA's 55 Rhodes were won before 1960. Since 1960, UVA has won 26 Rhodes and ND has won 16. ND's undergraduate enrollment is 8900; UVA's is 17,000.

Neck and neck.

This is like picking a car based on its hood ornament.

I don’t disagree. But still if you’re gonna throw things out there why not make sure they’re accurate?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s be real here. You’re not gonna find a Michigan grad who praises ND. You have to take the Michigan grad with a grain of salt.

One of my kids turned down ND for UVA in state. I think it made a lot of sense money-wise, but I’m not going to say that UVA is a better school. It isn’t.

Thanks for your opinion.

By what objective measure is UVA better?

ND. Well, for starters UVA sends more Rhodes, Marshall and Fulbrights overseas than ND by far. Ask anyone at Oxford.

Well, of the first 1,500 Rhodes scholarships awarded to Americans, only 12 came from Catholic colleges. (And none of those were women, so consider that when evaluating Wellesley and other women's schools or schools that were early coed schools.)

Surely you jest! I’ll go pull up the real stats and post back

UVA and Notre Dame both had two Rhodes Scholars in 2017. UVA had another in 2019, then both UVA and ND had another in 2020.

Neck and neck.

Try again. UVA: How many Rhodes scholars has UVA had?
University of Virginia has had 53 Rhodes Scholarship winners. That's the most of any college or university in the South, the eighth most of any school overall, and the third most of any non-Ivy League university.Jun 8, 2021". Notre Dame doesn't even produce one every year. UVA usually has two a year. Why don't you google before posting?

As I've said before, yes, historically UVA has had more Rhodes Scholars than ND (and more than almost any other school outside of the Ivies), but in recent years -- as ND's academic reputation has improved -- they've become neck and neck. It's also not even remotely true that UVA "usually has two." It's rare that they have two; often they don't even have one. The Rhodes has been around for 120 years; UVA has had 55 over that stretch; that's an average of one every other year, which is less than "usually two.."

You lost the argument. And yes UVA gets a Rhodes and a Marshall every year and quite often two Rhodes. You can play selective games all you want but UVA students get more overseas scholarships than ND.

Fulbrights are overseas scholarships. Since 2009, Notre Dame students have won 189 Fulbrights vs 127 for UVA despite UVA having about 2X as many undergraduates. The acceptance rate for Notre Dame Fulbright applicants is also higher at 25.3% vs 18.8% for UVA.

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Why did a question about local kids odds at getting into ND turn into a battle of the mundane with UVA boosters?

[Anonymous]

“ Fulbrights are overseas scholarships. Since 2009, Notre Dame students have won 189 Fulbrights vs 127 for UVA despite UVA having about 2X as many undergraduates.”

Wow. Only 127 Fulbrights from UVA? That’s embarrassing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rhodes is not some premier measurement of the greatness of an institution??? Not even close. Are we talking about Nobels, Fields, Academy profs??

Has UVA ever had a Nobel Prize winner?

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How did a thread about Notre dame turn into a discussion about UVA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How did a thread about Notre dame turn into a discussion about UVA?

Just like all roads lead to Rome, all threads on DCUM lead to UVA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ND's acceptance rate is higher when compared to peers.

Marginally. It was 14 percent at ND, 12 at Georgetown, 9 at Rice and 21 at UVA. It’s also had a higher yield that any of these. You reach a point where it doesn’t matter.

Actually after the waitlist games ,it ( and Vanderbilt) are notoriously known for, it's 15%. Also, the yeild is higher because they have less applicants.
On topic ND is the second best religiously affiliated school in the country. Considering both us news and WSJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ND's acceptance rate is higher when compared to peers.

Marginally. It was 14 percent at ND, 12 at Georgetown, 9 at Rice and 21 at UVA. It’s also had a higher yield that any of these. You reach a point where it doesn’t matter.

Actually after the waitlist games ,it ( and Vanderbilt) are notoriously known for, it's 15%. Also, the yeild is higher because they have less applicants.
On topic ND is the second best religiously affiliated school in the country. Considering both us news and WSJ.

That's not how yield works, idiot. They have a higher yield because it's more of a "destination" school than the others. Meaning it's a first choice for more of its applicants than other schools in its peer group. We've been alluding to this for the whole thread.

As for your claim that ND plays a "waiting list" game, you might want to google that. You have to thrown the last two admissions cycles out the window because of the pandemic. For example, in 2020 nearly half of Wash U's entering class was admitted off the wait list. According to the Common Data Set for ND, before the pandemic it never admitted more than 5 percent of incoming students from the wait list and in several recent years it didn't take anyone from the wait list at all.

You're right about Vanderbilt, though. It looks like they routinely take quite a few applicants from the WL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You people watch way too many movies and I’m guessing a lot of you are typical first or second gen strivers living in DMV who’ve clearly never attended an Ivy. They’re not full of rich and pretty old money wasps who can’t wait to invite your unwashed lower rung teen into their high caste lifestyle. And an Ivy BA is not a golden ticket to a plum gig making a boatload of money.

Notre Dame’s campus culture isn’t perfect, but it’s the purest and most pleasant in the top 30 or so, that’s for sure. For a very smart Catholic kid, there isn’t a better place to spend age 18 to 22 at — making friends for life and likely meeting a spouse along the way.

What a load of garbage. ND’s campus is full of kids raised in conservative homes who get to college and then swear, drink and fornicate like kids at any other school. In no sense is it “purer” than any other school - and certainly being around a bunch of old priests isn’t especially pleasant, either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“ Fulbrights are overseas scholarships. Since 2009, Notre Dame students have won 189 Fulbrights vs 127 for UVA despite UVA having about 2X as many undergraduates.”

Wow. Only 127 Fulbrights from UVA? That’s embarrassing.

How many were teaching English v. research/project? That’s the important stat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You people watch way too many movies and I’m guessing a lot of you are typical first or second gen strivers living in DMV who’ve clearly never attended an Ivy. They’re not full of rich and pretty old money wasps who can’t wait to invite your unwashed lower rung teen into their high caste lifestyle. And an Ivy BA is not a golden ticket to a plum gig making a boatload of money.

Notre Dame’s campus culture isn’t perfect, but it’s the purest and most pleasant in the top 30 or so, that’s for sure. For a very smart Catholic kid, there isn’t a better place to spend age 18 to 22 at — making friends for life and likely meeting a spouse along the way.

What a load of garbage. ND’s campus is full of kids raised in conservative homes who get to college and then swear, drink and fornicate like kids at any other school. In no sense is it “purer” than any other school - and certainly being around a bunch of old priests isn’t especially pleasant, either.

The only time I ever saw a priest at ND was on the few occasions I attended Mass.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You people watch way too many movies and I’m guessing a lot of you are typical first or second gen strivers living in DMV who’ve clearly never attended an Ivy. They’re not full of rich and pretty old money wasps who can’t wait to invite your unwashed lower rung teen into their high caste lifestyle. And an Ivy BA is not a golden ticket to a plum gig making a boatload of money.

Notre Dame’s campus culture isn’t perfect, but it’s the purest and most pleasant in the top 30 or so, that’s for sure. For a very smart Catholic kid, there isn’t a better place to spend age 18 to 22 at — making friends for life and likely meeting a spouse along the way.

What a load of garbage. ND’s campus is full of kids raised in conservative homes who get to college and then swear, drink and fornicate like kids at any other school. In no sense is it “purer” than any other school - and certainly being around a bunch of old priests isn’t especially pleasant, either.

Uh, are ND students and grads more likely to say something like "the campus culture is the most pure"? Because if so, yuck, I will steer my kid away from this school. That's a weird and gross way to describe culture, especially when you're talking about a school with a very Catholic (and white) culture. Just... no.