Notre Dame

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Stanford, ND offers the best combination of top-notch academics, all around excellence in athletics (not just football) and alumni networking. It also has one of the largest endowments in the country, more than half the Ivies and nearly 10 times Georgetown’s. These are facts, not hyperbole.

Duke, Vandy, and Michigan all disagree (and the Stanford, Vandy, and Michigan alumni and parents aren't even predominantly insufferable).

Plus Cal, Texas, UCLA, USC, UNC....

Um, Stanford, the Ivy's (completely insignificant and worthless in NCAA Athletics)" and the Service Academy's are the only schools that don't compromise for athletics. If any of you think the rest of those schools don't have mouth breathers on the scholarship roster you're stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You people watch way too many movies and I’m guessing a lot of you are typical first or second gen strivers living in DMV who’ve clearly never attended an Ivy. They’re not full of rich and pretty old money wasps who can’t wait to invite your unwashed lower rung teen into their high caste lifestyle. And an Ivy BA is not a golden ticket to a plum gig making a boatload of money.

Notre Dame’s campus culture isn’t perfect, but it’s the purest and most pleasant in the top 30 or so, that’s for sure. For a very smart Catholic kid, there isn’t a better place to spend age 18 to 22 at — making friends for life and likely meeting a spouse along the way.

Good for you, isn't for my kid but great for many. I am perplexed at how so many great Universities are maligned on this site.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You people watch way too many movies and I’m guessing a lot of you are typical first or second gen strivers living in DMV who’ve clearly never attended an Ivy. They’re not full of rich and pretty old money wasps who can’t wait to invite your unwashed lower rung teen into their high caste lifestyle. And an Ivy BA is not a golden ticket to a plum gig making a boatload of money.

Notre Dame’s campus culture isn’t perfect, but it’s the purest and most pleasant in the top 30 or so, that’s for sure. For a very smart Catholic kid, there isn’t a better place to spend age 18 to 22 at — making friends for life and likely meeting a spouse along the way.

Good for you, isn't for my kid but great for many. I am perplexed at how so many great Universities are maligned on this site.

I didn't see anyone maligning it, just claiming other schools are stronger and it's not everyone's dream. There's not been a single poster that hasn't said Notre Dame is a good school or that has maligned it in any way. It's just some posters think that it is "hating" if they don't bow down to the ND boosters' vision of the extreme greatness of the school. Which is of course amusing--because it plays to a bit of the stereotype of the school-- so it gets egged on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Stanford, ND offers the best combination of top-notch academics, all around excellence in athletics (not just football) and alumni networking. It also has one of the largest endowments in the country, more than half the Ivies and nearly 10 times Georgetown’s. These are facts, not hyperbole.

Duke, Vandy, and Michigan all disagree (and the Stanford, Vandy, and Michigan alumni and parents aren't even predominantly insufferable).

Plus Cal, Texas, UCLA, USC, UNC....

Um, Stanford, the Ivy's (completely insignificant and worthless in NCAA Athletics)" and the Service Academy's are the only schools that don't compromise for athletics. If any of you think the rest of those schools don't have mouth breathers on the scholarship roster you're stupid.

I don't have personal knowledge as to Stanford, but I do as to multiple Ivy League schools, USMA & USNA--and they all compromise admission standards for athletes (largely just for football at the service academies, but across nearly the full spectrum at the Ivies where I have visibility). None of those schools (except Stanford) offer athletic scholarships, but putting a thumb (or an arm) on the admissions scale is a very different thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You people watch way too many movies and I’m guessing a lot of you are typical first or second gen strivers living in DMV who’ve clearly never attended an Ivy. They’re not full of rich and pretty old money wasps who can’t wait to invite your unwashed lower rung teen into their high caste lifestyle. And an Ivy BA is not a golden ticket to a plum gig making a boatload of money.

Notre Dame’s campus culture isn’t perfect, but it’s the purest and most pleasant in the top 30 or so, that’s for sure. For a very smart Catholic kid, there isn’t a better place to spend age 18 to 22 at — making friends for life and likely meeting a spouse along the way.

Good for you, isn't for my kid but great for many. I am perplexed at how so many great Universities are maligned on this site.

I didn't see anyone maligning it, just claiming other schools are stronger and it's not everyone's dream. There's not been a single poster that hasn't said Notre Dame is a good school or that has maligned it in any way. It's just some posters think that it is "hating" if they don't bow down to the ND boosters' vision of the extreme greatness of the school. Which is of course amusing--because it plays to a bit of the stereotype of the school-- so it gets egged on.

Except here’s the thing. There may be 15 or so universities in the US that are objectively better at the undergraduate level, but there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds that aren’t. So I guess it all comes down to what one’s definition of “great” is. I’d argue that a school with so few peers is pretty damned great.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people watch way too many movies and I’m guessing a lot of you are typical first or second gen strivers living in DMV who’ve clearly never attended an Ivy. They’re not full of rich and pretty old money wasps who can’t wait to invite your unwashed lower rung teen into their high caste lifestyle. And an Ivy BA is not a golden ticket to a plum gig making a boatload of money.

Notre Dame’s campus culture isn’t perfect, but it’s the purest and most pleasant in the top 30 or so, that’s for sure. For a very smart Catholic kid, there isn’t a better place to spend age 18 to 22 at — making friends for life and likely meeting a spouse along the way.

Good for you, isn't for my kid but great for many. I am perplexed at how so many great Universities are maligned on this site.

I didn't see anyone maligning it, just claiming other schools are stronger and it's not everyone's dream. There's not been a single poster that hasn't said Notre Dame is a good school or that has maligned it in any way. It's just some posters think that it is "hating" if they don't bow down to the ND boosters' vision of the extreme greatness of the school. Which is of course amusing--because it plays to a bit of the stereotype of the school-- so it gets egged on.

Except here’s the thing. There may be 15 or so universities in the US that are objectively better at the undergraduate level, but there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds that aren’t. So I guess it all comes down to what one’s definition of “great” is. I’d argue that a school with so few peers is pretty damned great.

….and ND isn’t one of them….

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Anonymous wrote:Admittedly, if DC had a choice of UChicago, Princeton or ND we would all choose ND.

You would forfeit Princeton for ND? Seriously? Princeton is the finest undergrad in the country. My DCs would have killed to have gotten into it. Waitlisted. ND wasn't even on the list

And kids who REA to ND don't have Princeton on the list. Imagine that? Different kids prefer different kinds of schools.

BTW, Princeton was always the most religiously conservative of the protestant schools, and they wouldn't even admit 'papists' until the early 20th century. They've come a long way in admitting Catholics, but generally many Catholics still look to Georgetown and ND as the gold standard.

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Ah another Notre Dame thread. And it’s going as expected.

Is ND objectively a good school? Yep. Is it the best school for every kid? No, of course not, and I’d argue it’s more of a niche school than most other “top” schools, however you choose to define that grouping. South Bend is not a great college town so most of the action is on campus. It’s a pretty campus, granted, and if you are interested in athletics and that type of college culture (which lots of kids are not) there’s plenty of that. But the school is geographically isolated AND attracts an above average percentage of Catholic HS grads, plus the school is a bit more intense about Catholicism than many other Jesuit colleges. All of which means that if you don’t fit a certain profile, it’s probably not the school for you. Which is fine.

Whenever I see these threads, the thing I always think is, “This is what happens when people spend 4 years in a fairly isolated environment being told it’s the best place on earth.” ND grads are smart and capable and get a great education. They also tend to be a bit sheltered, lacking in perspective, and have a hard time accepting even valid criticism of their alma mater. Make of that what you will.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Stanford, ND offers the best combination of top-notch academics, all around excellence in athletics (not just football) and alumni networking. It also has one of the largest endowments in the country, more than half the Ivies and nearly 10 times Georgetown’s. These are facts, not hyperbole.

Duke, Vandy, and Michigan all disagree (and the Stanford, Vandy, and Michigan alumni and parents aren't even predominantly insufferable).

Plus Cal, Texas, UCLA, USC, UNC....

Um, Stanford, the Ivy's (completely insignificant and worthless in NCAA Athletics)" and the Service Academy's are the only schools that don't compromise for athletics. If any of you think the rest of those schools don't have mouth breathers on the scholarship roster you're stupid.

I don't have personal knowledge as to Stanford, but I do as to multiple Ivy League schools, USMA & USNA--and they all compromise admission standards for athletes (largely just for football at the service academies, but across nearly the full spectrum at the Ivies where I have visibility). None of those schools (except Stanford) offer athletic scholarships, but putting a thumb (or an arm) on the admissions scale is a very different thing.

The exceptions at Service Academy's are minimal, the Cadets and Midshipmen they admit are still qualified...they still have to go into the Force or Fleet upon graduation so you know, it is in their best interest...ask me how I know. All of them are still stellar students academically way beyond the Power 5 schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people watch way too many movies and I’m guessing a lot of you are typical first or second gen strivers living in DMV who’ve clearly never attended an Ivy. They’re not full of rich and pretty old money wasps who can’t wait to invite your unwashed lower rung teen into their high caste lifestyle. And an Ivy BA is not a golden ticket to a plum gig making a boatload of money.

Notre Dame’s campus culture isn’t perfect, but it’s the purest and most pleasant in the top 30 or so, that’s for sure. For a very smart Catholic kid, there isn’t a better place to spend age 18 to 22 at — making friends for life and likely meeting a spouse along the way.

Good for you, isn't for my kid but great for many. I am perplexed at how so many great Universities are maligned on this site.

I didn't see anyone maligning it, just claiming other schools are stronger and it's not everyone's dream. There's not been a single poster that hasn't said Notre Dame is a good school or that has maligned it in any way. It's just some posters think that it is "hating" if they don't bow down to the ND boosters' vision of the extreme greatness of the school. Which is of course amusing--because it plays to a bit of the stereotype of the school-- so it gets egged on.

Except here’s the thing. There may be 15 or so universities in the US that are objectively better at the undergraduate level, but there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds that aren’t. So I guess it all comes down to what one’s definition of “great” is. I’d argue that a school with so few peers is pretty damned great.

This is where you get weird though--Look, Rice University is above ND in the USNWR. Maybe you don't value that rating, but maybe others do. But you never hear people griping because others are just not praising Rice quite enough, don't think it's great. They might react if someone said it's not a good school, they might extoll its good qualities but they don't think others are "haters" because they don't love it as much as they do. They know it's a good school and don't need others' praise or see maligning where there isn't any. They accept someone might not want to live in Houston TX to go to their school or just not be that into it.
Substitute Rice for: Washington University, Vanderbilt, UCLA, Emory etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Other than Stanford, ND offers the best combination of top-notch academics, all around excellence in athletics (not just football) and alumni networking. It also has one of the largest endowments in the country, more than half the Ivies and nearly 10 times Georgetown’s. These are facts, not hyperbole.

Duke, Vandy, and Michigan all disagree (and the Stanford, Vandy, and Michigan alumni and parents aren't even predominantly insufferable).

Plus Cal, Texas, UCLA, USC, UNC....

Um, Stanford, the Ivy's (completely insignificant and worthless in NCAA Athletics)" and the Service Academy's are the only schools that don't compromise for athletics. If any of you think the rest of those schools don't have mouth breathers on the scholarship roster you're stupid.

I don't have personal knowledge as to Stanford, but I do as to multiple Ivy League schools, USMA & USNA--and they all compromise admission standards for athletes (largely just for football at the service academies, but across nearly the full spectrum at the Ivies where I have visibility). None of those schools (except Stanford) offer athletic scholarships, but putting a thumb (or an arm) on the admissions scale is a very different thing.

The exceptions at Service Academy's are minimal, the Cadets and Midshipmen they admit are still qualified...they still have to go into the Force or Fleet upon graduation so you know, it is in their best interest...ask me how I know. All of them are still stellar students academically way beyond the Power 5 schools.

Let's not get carried away. The academic profiles of the service academies are more impressive than some Power 5 schools and less impressive than others--including all of the schools mentioned at the top of this chain.

[Anonymous]

Gotcha. You're only in here to troll. Get a life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:You people watch way too many movies and I’m guessing a lot of you are typical first or second gen strivers living in DMV who’ve clearly never attended an Ivy. They’re not full of rich and pretty old money wasps who can’t wait to invite your unwashed lower rung teen into their high caste lifestyle. And an Ivy BA is not a golden ticket to a plum gig making a boatload of money.

Notre Dame’s campus culture isn’t perfect, but it’s the purest and most pleasant in the top 30 or so, that’s for sure. For a very smart Catholic kid, there isn’t a better place to spend age 18 to 22 at — making friends for life and likely meeting a spouse along the way.

Good for you, isn't for my kid but great for many. I am perplexed at how so many great Universities are maligned on this site.

I didn't see anyone maligning it, just claiming other schools are stronger and it's not everyone's dream. There's not been a single poster that hasn't said Notre Dame is a good school or that has maligned it in any way. It's just some posters think that it is "hating" if they don't bow down to the ND boosters' vision of the extreme greatness of the school. Which is of course amusing--because it plays to a bit of the stereotype of the school-- so it gets egged on.

Except here’s the thing. There may be 15 or so universities in the US that are objectively better at the undergraduate level, but there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds that aren’t. So I guess it all comes down to what one’s definition of “great” is. I’d argue that a school with so few peers is pretty damned great.

This is where you get weird though--Look, Rice University is above ND in the USNWR. Maybe you don't value that rating, but maybe others do. But you never hear people griping because others are just not praising Rice quite enough, don't think it's great. They might react if someone said it's not a good school, they might extoll its good qualities but they don't think others are "haters" because they don't love it as much as they do. They know it's a good school and don't need others' praise or see maligning where there isn't any. They accept someone might not want to live in Houston TX to go to their school or just not be that into it.
Substitute Rice for: Washington University, Vanderbilt, UCLA, Emory etc.

WashU is a little cult-y, too, but agree it can't compete with ND in that regard. (And as for your other examples, full agree.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people watch way too many movies and I’m guessing a lot of you are typical first or second gen strivers living in DMV who’ve clearly never attended an Ivy. They’re not full of rich and pretty old money wasps who can’t wait to invite your unwashed lower rung teen into their high caste lifestyle. And an Ivy BA is not a golden ticket to a plum gig making a boatload of money.

Notre Dame’s campus culture isn’t perfect, but it’s the purest and most pleasant in the top 30 or so, that’s for sure. For a very smart Catholic kid, there isn’t a better place to spend age 18 to 22 at — making friends for life and likely meeting a spouse along the way.

Good for you, isn't for my kid but great for many. I am perplexed at how so many great Universities are maligned on this site.

I didn't see anyone maligning it, just claiming other schools are stronger and it's not everyone's dream. There's not been a single poster that hasn't said Notre Dame is a good school or that has maligned it in any way. It's just some posters think that it is "hating" if they don't bow down to the ND boosters' vision of the extreme greatness of the school. Which is of course amusing--because it plays to a bit of the stereotype of the school-- so it gets egged on.

Except here’s the thing. There may be 15 or so universities in the US that are objectively better at the undergraduate level, but there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds that aren’t. So I guess it all comes down to what one’s definition of “great” is. I’d argue that a school with so few peers is pretty damned great.

This is where you get weird though--Look, Rice University is above ND in the USNWR. Maybe you don't value that rating, but maybe others do. But you never hear people griping because others are just not praising Rice quite enough, don't think it's great. They might react if someone said it's not a good school, they might extoll its good qualities but they don't think others are "haters" because they don't love it as much as they do. They know it's a good school and don't need others' praise or see maligning where there isn't any. They accept someone might not want to live in Houston TX to go to their school or just not be that into it.
Substitute Rice for: Washington University, Vanderbilt, UCLA, Emory etc.

Sadly the "haters" are typically anti-Catholic bigots. So there is understandably push back. It's pretty damn ugly and I just had to report a bunch of posts to Jeff.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people watch way too many movies and I’m guessing a lot of you are typical first or second gen strivers living in DMV who’ve clearly never attended an Ivy. They’re not full of rich and pretty old money wasps who can’t wait to invite your unwashed lower rung teen into their high caste lifestyle. And an Ivy BA is not a golden ticket to a plum gig making a boatload of money.

Notre Dame’s campus culture isn’t perfect, but it’s the purest and most pleasant in the top 30 or so, that’s for sure. For a very smart Catholic kid, there isn’t a better place to spend age 18 to 22 at — making friends for life and likely meeting a spouse along the way.

Good for you, isn't for my kid but great for many. I am perplexed at how so many great Universities are maligned on this site.

I didn't see anyone maligning it, just claiming other schools are stronger and it's not everyone's dream. There's not been a single poster that hasn't said Notre Dame is a good school or that has maligned it in any way. It's just some posters think that it is "hating" if they don't bow down to the ND boosters' vision of the extreme greatness of the school. Which is of course amusing--because it plays to a bit of the stereotype of the school-- so it gets egged on.

Except here’s the thing. There may be 15 or so universities in the US that are objectively better at the undergraduate level, but there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds that aren’t. So I guess it all comes down to what one’s definition of “great” is. I’d argue that a school with so few peers is pretty damned great.

This is where you get weird though--Look, Rice University is above ND in the USNWR. Maybe you don't value that rating, but maybe others do. But you never hear people griping because others are just not praising Rice quite enough, don't think it's great. They might react if someone said it's not a good school, they might extoll its good qualities but they don't think others are "haters" because they don't love it as much as they do. They know it's a good school and don't need others' praise or see maligning where there isn't any. They accept someone might not want to live in Houston TX to go to their school or just not be that into it.
Substitute Rice for: Washington University, Vanderbilt, UCLA, Emory etc.

Sadly the "haters" are typically anti-Catholic bigots. So there is understandably push back. It's pretty damn ugly and I just had to report a bunch of posts to Jeff.

Exactly...here's the thing...the bigots cannot fathom that Catholics can excel and have an elite university where they can not only have amazing academics but a faith filled experience. Sorry that bothers folks so much.