Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?

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A lot of people live the look of a certain car.

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Refueling takes 5 minutes. And we can actually make it 500 miles on a full tank, although we usually have to stop once to go to the bathroom. A 200 mile range means 2 recharging stops, and normally we don't stop for more than 10-15 minutes total in a trip.

I call BS on your 500 mile trip with one bathroom break. This is like driving from DC to Maine! Unbelievable how you lie just to score a cheap point. So, if you have your family with you (since you said 'we'), do you synchronize your bathroom breaks, or you need to wear adult diapers if you miss your break? You don't eat, not even a coffee, you make sure everyone took a crap before leaving home?

Even if you do stop, how many of these 500 mile trips do you take once a year? More than one? Sane people would just book a flight, instead of wasting a vacation day on the road, but no, you want to drive for 8 hours straight and wasting 20 minutes on charging is unacceptable.

For the people that can't stand a 20 minute charge every 250 miles (that's a break about every 3.5 hours), you are being ridiculous and that almost never happens.

If you dont want to buy an electric car, thats your right, but your argument on why is absolutely bonkers.

From an owner of an electric car for several years, charging time is a non-issue with the infrastructure that exists today.

It's DC to MA. And yes, I often do it with one stop. I just want to get there and not waste time. In the last 1.5 years I have done the drive 6 times and doing it again this fall. We go for anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 months and need a car while we are there. We haven't purchased a third car to leave at the beach because that actually seems more wasteful - buying an extra car, the flights, the trip from the airport to the house (90 miles). Plus its more expensive. But you tell me - maybe I'm wrong and having an electric car would offset the environmental impact of the extra travel and an extra car.

As I said we do plan to get an EV for our second car when that needs to be replaced (we keep our cars 10+ years so can't jump on trends as quickly as those of you swapping out every 3-4 years). I don't object to EVs, but I want to keep a gas car for long trips until the technology/infrastructure improves.

We just got an electric car this year that we plan to keep for at least the life of its eight-year battery warranty; up to now, we've had one car, a gas car we still keep as our second car, which is just a few months shy of ten years old. So I'm completely with you on the question of keeping cars a long time.

But I think you're overestimating the inconvenience factor involved in a trip it sounds like you make only 2 or 3 times a year. A Better Route Planner, a useful site for planning EV road trips, says you'd stop twice, for a total of an hour, between D.C. and Nantucket (which I used as a generic stand-in for "beach in Massachusetts"), if you were driving an electric VW, Ford Mach-E, Porsche, or Audi that could charge for free at the Electrify America stations -- once for 22 minutes at a Walmart in South Jersey, and once for 47 minutes at a shopping mall in Stratford, CT, where you could probably get some food/use bathroom/whatever. You could probably install a level 2 charging station at your beach house, so you'd have no trouble charging once you are there. You wouldn't have to pay for any gas to or from the beach house, since you'd be using free fast-charging for the first three years; your auto maintenance and fuel costs in general would go way down; and as a green bonus, you'd have no direct emissions from using the electric car. To me, all that is easily be worth adding a total of 45 to 55 minutes (since you say you already stop for 10 to 15 minutes) to your trips -- especially since the charging logistics now are guaranteed to be the MOST complicated they'll ever be, as more charging options are built out and as cars get updated over the air for faster rapid charging.

DC to MA, is it a 400 mile trip, not 500. Give us your end points for the trip and people can advise on the difference between taking the trip in an EV vs gas.

A real life scenario. I drove several times from SF to LA roundtrip in a Tesla, total distance is 400 miles, taking 6 hours. It is really uncomfortable to make no stops, I can imagine it only gets worse for a 500 mile trip, and I'd argue it is also dangerous, driving fatigue is a real thing, honestly, why would you put your family through this for arriving half an hour earlier to the destination?

Since you would be leaving in the morning say sometime 8-9, you still need to stop along the way to have lunch, unless of course you want to eat around 4-5 pm when you arrive at your destination. Again, why would you do this, especialy if you have kids with you, on a 500 mile, 8 hour trip?

Far more common is to schedule a lunch stop around charging, and all Tesla chargers have some restaurants around. For level 3 superchargers it takes about 20 minutes to charge from 10% to 90%, and that is less time than ordering and eating a hamburger at In'n Out. On top of that you dont even need to charge that long to make it to your destination, 10 minutes is more than enough (that's just going to the restroom or buying a coffee at Starbucks).

I agree with the Tesla owner about overestimating the inconvenience of the charging during a road trip. The added time would be at most 30 minutes, since you also go to the restroom and need to put gas (you don't have a gas pump at your summer house, but likely you do have a 240V plug for your dryer).

I'm amazed how people nitpick about a 30 minute delay as a determining factor to getting a car. If those 30 minutes are so important to you, think about all the 15 minute trips to the gas station you would save every week in those 1.5 years (yep, thats 20 hours in total). Compare that with the extra 3 hours from your six 500 mile trips. You are welcome! lol.

This is why I'm wondering if the the poster is trolling. Every single EV owner on this forum is saying charging time is not an issue for road trips with real life examples, but then they come with situations that seem so unrealistic.

If the poster asks in good faith if he needs a gas car for long 500 mile trips, then the answer is no, you dont need one. Get a Tesla because it has the most extensive charging network (and you can use other networks too) and that's it.

Are you 100? I regularly drive to Florida and can make the drive to the Carolina Georgia border without stopping. A real driver can drive for 6 + hours non stop.

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I bought a 2020 Porsche Cayenne last year because I could not find a 2020 Tesla model X at that price!

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I buy American. I drive electric. Tesla.

Never buying a gas-guzzler again - would be like installing a landline in my house - why?

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Anonymous wrote:Are you 100? I regularly drive to Florida and can make the drive to the Carolina Georgia border without stopping. A real driver can drive for 6 + hours non stop.

Congratulations, you are a real driver! Now make sure you don't drink anything before or during the drive or you might have to use the restroom and lose you little trophy.

Next challenge: drive to the Carolina Georgia border while drunk!

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I don't think I will ever buy one even when it becomes more of the norm. I like gas cars. I like the noise. My estimate is 1/3 to half of all people will not buy them. ever. If the government mandates, they will be tossed out and the new government will undue mandate.

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I don't drive much, about 7000 miles a year and and the furthest distance I've driven in the six years I've had my SUV was 180 miles round trip. But the next vehicle I buy will still be gas.

Sorry, but it takes me years before I accept new technology. Smartphones were about four years old before I switched from my flip phone, DVD players about five years old before I got one and I only got rid of my old tube TV and bought a smart TV when my old one stopped working.

When these EV have been in use a few more years and more kinks (whatever they are) have been ironed out then I'll THINK about purchasing one.

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Anonymous wrote:I buy American. I drive electric. Tesla.

Never buying a gas-guzzler again - would be like installing a landline in my house - why?

Landlines are more reliable and often clearer. My guess is that right now, gas vehicles are still more reliable too.

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Anonymous wrote:Because I don’t want an electric car. I don’t want to have to plan my trip to charge my car.

But you're okay looking for a gas station, presumably? Charging stations are EVERYWHERE.

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Anonymous wrote:We are getting ready to buy a Porsche. The car it is replacing is 10 years old and wont last until the EVs come out (2023 at the earliest). And we regularly drive 500 miles to our 2nd home (doing it again in 2 weeks) so we need at least 1 gas or hybrid car to make that drive without having the worry about recharging. I think they are projecting that the EV Macan will have a range around 200 miles. I sat in a Taycan recently and it was not comfortable, nor is the design practical for us to haul things.

We do plan to get a EV for a second car when that car needs to be replaced.

Do you regularly make a 500-mile drive in your gas car without having to stop to refuel? Where is your vacation home? I'd bet there's a very convenient way to charge it on the way there.

Refueling takes 5 minutes. And we can actually make it 500 miles on a full tank, although we usually have to stop once to go to the bathroom. A 200 mile range means 2 recharging stops, and normally we don't stop for more than 10-15 minutes total in a trip.

The fast charging stations only take like 10-15 minutes to charge your car fully. So 5 minutes would charge it partially.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to have to charge my car for 30 minutes every 2 hours on a road trip. I will wait for the infrastructure to catch up.

What kind of crappy electric car requires that?!

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to have to charge my car for 30 minutes every 2 hours on a road trip. I will wait for the infrastructure to catch up.

Does it change your mind if it's 20 minutes every 3 hours?

No -- 8 hours minimum before electric cars work for most people. And then a 5 minute recharge for another 8.

We have one electric car and one gas car. The gas car has a 10-gallon tank; the electric car has a 77 kWh battery. They both basically have the same range, but we can fill up the electric car's battery in our driveway whenever we want, while we have to take the gas car somewhere to refuel it. Neither of them can drive for 8 hours straight without stopping for gas or electricity, so it's never occurred to me to try something ridiculous like that. But sure, "most people" can't use electric cars until they can drive from D.C. to Nashville straight through without stopping.

A 10 gallon tank? I couldn't get through one day of driving on a 10 gallon tank. This all works for people that do not drive much. But not really for anyone outside a city.

You use 10 gallons of gasoline a DAY?

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Anonymous wrote:Some of us enjoy things like internal combustion engines and manual transmissions.

Some of us enjoy zooming past you and listening to our music with no engine noise, slowpoke.

Let's race. You pick the first nine miles and I'll pick the last mile. Bet I win and you don't finish (bet doesn't apply if you drive a 4xe).

I don't get it. Electric cars can't go more than 9 miles? Wut?

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Anonymous wrote:We are getting ready to buy a Porsche. The car it is replacing is 10 years old and wont last until the EVs come out (2023 at the earliest). And we regularly drive 500 miles to our 2nd home (doing it again in 2 weeks) so we need at least 1 gas or hybrid car to make that drive without having the worry about recharging. I think they are projecting that the EV Macan will have a range around 200 miles. I sat in a Taycan recently and it was not comfortable, nor is the design practical for us to haul things.

We do plan to get a EV for a second car when that car needs to be replaced.

Do you regularly make a 500-mile drive in your gas car without having to stop to refuel? Where is your vacation home? I'd bet there's a very convenient way to charge it on the way there.

Refueling takes 5 minutes. And we can actually make it 500 miles on a full tank, although we usually have to stop once to go to the bathroom. A 200 mile range means 2 recharging stops, and normally we don't stop for more than 10-15 minutes total in a trip.

The fast charging stations only take like 10-15 minutes to charge your car fully. So 5 minutes would charge it partially.

Yeah, you don’t need to charge to full, just charge enough to get you to the next place where you’ll charge (so either the next fast charging station or home). We drove our EV to New York recently. Stopped once to charge on the way there, for 18 minutes. Stopped twice on the way home to charge, for 20 and 22 minutes. Plugged it in when we got home, and it was ready to go the next morning with a full “tank.” Can’t do that with our gas car, which now mostly just sits at home.

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Anonymous wrote:We are getting ready to buy a Porsche. The car it is replacing is 10 years old and wont last until the EVs come out (2023 at the earliest). And we regularly drive 500 miles to our 2nd home (doing it again in 2 weeks) so we need at least 1 gas or hybrid car to make that drive without having the worry about recharging. I think they are projecting that the EV Macan will have a range around 200 miles. I sat in a Taycan recently and it was not comfortable, nor is the design practical for us to haul things.

We do plan to get a EV for a second car when that car needs to be replaced.

Do you regularly make a 500-mile drive in your gas car without having to stop to refuel? Where is your vacation home? I'd bet there's a very convenient way to charge it on the way there.

Refueling takes 5 minutes. And we can actually make it 500 miles on a full tank, although we usually have to stop once to go to the bathroom. A 200 mile range means 2 recharging stops, and normally we don't stop for more than 10-15 minutes total in a trip.

The fast charging stations only take like 10-15 minutes to charge your car fully. So 5 minutes would charge it partially.

Yeah, you don’t need to charge to full, just charge enough to get you to the next place where you’ll charge (so either the next fast charging station or home). We drove our EV to New York recently. Stopped once to charge on the way there, for 18 minutes. Stopped twice on the way home to charge, for 20 and 22 minutes. Plugged it in when we got home, and it was ready to go the next morning with a full “tank.” Can’t do that with our gas car, which now mostly just sits at home.

What can't you do, exactly?