Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?

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Yeah, you don’t need to charge to full, just charge enough to get you to the next place where you’ll charge (so either the next fast charging station or home). We drove our EV to New York recently. Stopped once to charge on the way there, for 18 minutes. Stopped twice on the way home to charge, for 20 and 22 minutes.

Charging just enough really goes against the grain for me. In the 8 years I've owned my current car, I've seen the low fuel indicator once. I always want a plan B.

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I agree, OP!

We have economical Japanese cars running on petrol, but our next car will be electric.

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Whatever the naysayers argue, electric cars will replace the gas cars in the next 5-10 years, that is taking over 50% of the car sales market. Everyone can have their own reasoning, rage anxiety, being fond of noise etc., whatever floats your boat. But the truth is electric cars are better, higher performance and to a degree cheaper (total cost of ownership).

It’s pretty clear where things are going regarding cars. If I were to buy a car today, unless I will hold it for over 10 years, I’d go electric just so it doesn’t depreciate in value considerably.

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Anonymous wrote:We are getting ready to buy a Porsche. The car it is replacing is 10 years old and wont last until the EVs come out (2023 at the earliest). And we regularly drive 500 miles to our 2nd home (doing it again in 2 weeks) so we need at least 1 gas or hybrid car to make that drive without having the worry about recharging. I think they are projecting that the EV Macan will have a range around 200 miles. I sat in a Taycan recently and it was not comfortable, nor is the design practical for us to haul things.

We do plan to get a EV for a second car when that car needs to be replaced.

Do you regularly make a 500-mile drive in your gas car without having to stop to refuel? Where is your vacation home? I'd bet there's a very convenient way to charge it on the way there.

Refueling takes 5 minutes. And we can actually make it 500 miles on a full tank, although we usually have to stop once to go to the bathroom. A 200 mile range means 2 recharging stops, and normally we don't stop for more than 10-15 minutes total in a trip.

The fast charging stations only take like 10-15 minutes to charge your car fully. So 5 minutes would charge it partially.

Yeah, you don’t need to charge to full, just charge enough to get you to the next place where you’ll charge (so either the next fast charging station or home). We drove our EV to New York recently. Stopped once to charge on the way there, for 18 minutes. Stopped twice on the way home to charge, for 20 and 22 minutes. Plugged it in when we got home, and it was ready to go the next morning with a full “tank.” Can’t do that with our gas car, which now mostly just sits at home.

What can't you do, exactly?

Can’t fill it up at home.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the naysayers argue, electric cars will replace the gas cars in the next 5-10 years, that is taking over 50% of the car sales market. Everyone can have their own reasoning, rage anxiety, being fond of noise etc., whatever floats your boat. But the truth is electric cars are better, higher performance and to a degree cheaper (total cost of ownership).

It’s pretty clear where things are going regarding cars. If I were to buy a car today, unless I will hold it for over 10 years, I’d go electric just so it doesn’t depreciate in value considerably.

Virtually all r&d money in the auto industry is in electrification and autonomous driving. No engineering teams are working on the next better gas engine.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the naysayers argue, electric cars will replace the gas cars in the next 5-10 years, that is taking over 50% of the car sales market. Everyone can have their own reasoning, rage anxiety, being fond of noise etc., whatever floats your boat. But the truth is electric cars are better, higher performance and to a degree cheaper (total cost of ownership).

It’s pretty clear where things are going regarding cars. If I were to buy a car today, unless I will hold it for over 10 years, I’d go electric just so it doesn’t depreciate in value considerably.

Virtually all r&d money in the auto industry is in electrification and autonomous driving. No engineering teams are working on the next better gas engine.

I agree. But to the OP's question; today's gas powered cars benefit from over a century of development and the experience of building hundreds of millions of vehicles. A new Mercedes Benz or Lexus or Kia is pretty amazing and will run for hundreds of thousands of miles with basic maintenance. For the foreseeable future, there will be plenty of places to buy gas and get it fixed. You don't have to learn or adapt to anything new in terms of putting energy (gasoline) into your car.

Today, one can argue the difference in quality and performance between gas and electric models. In five years, it will not be close. All the resources are being poured into electric vehicles.

Bottom line: if you like gas-powered cars, "now" might be the best time to buy!

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the naysayers argue, electric cars will replace the gas cars in the next 5-10 years, that is taking over 50% of the car sales market. Everyone can have their own reasoning, rage anxiety, being fond of noise etc., whatever floats your boat. But the truth is electric cars are better, higher performance and to a degree cheaper (total cost of ownership).

It’s pretty clear where things are going regarding cars. If I were to buy a car today, unless I will hold it for over 10 years, I’d go electric just so it doesn’t depreciate in value considerably.

I just bought a Toyota hybrid. My hybrid might be a dinosaur in 5 years, but your electric car will be too since tech is changing so rapidly.

I don't think depreciation is a great argument for buying electric right now. I think you buy what works for your own situation and hope for the best.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the naysayers argue, electric cars will replace the gas cars in the next 5-10 years, that is taking over 50% of the car sales market. Everyone can have their own reasoning, rage anxiety, being fond of noise etc., whatever floats your boat. But the truth is electric cars are better, higher performance and to a degree cheaper (total cost of ownership).

It’s pretty clear where things are going regarding cars. If I were to buy a car today, unless I will hold it for over 10 years, I’d go electric just so it doesn’t depreciate in value considerably.

I just bought a Toyota hybrid. My hybrid might be a dinosaur in 5 years, but your electric car will be too since tech is changing so rapidly.

I don't think depreciation is a great argument for buying electric right now. I think you buy what works for your own situation and hope for the best.

Why hope if you can make an daycares estimate. Depreciation matters if you want to sell the car after 5 years and get a new car see this example
Tesla 3, $35k, depreciation 35%.
Prius, $25k, depreciation 50%.

You lost about the same amount in depreciation after 5 years, but I am betting the cost of maintenance and fuel was higher for the Prius. On top of that you used a luxury car with the Tesla with a lot of features and not a very nice car for the Prius, which is quite ugly and doesn’t drive that well.

Of course you need to consider other costs like insurance, taxes, rebates, etc, maintenance and so on, so say you are about to buy a new car.

I would choose a bare bones Tesla 3 over a Prius any day (and I have). I think it’s hard to make an argument for a Prius under these conditions.
It’s even harder to make the same argument for a BMW, Mercedes, Lexus or Audi, which is why Tesla is absolutely clobbering them in the small/medium luxury segment.

So Tesla doesn’t directly compete exactly with Prius on the cost, but it does compete for the same customers and typically wins them over. If you check which cars are the most traded in for a Tesla, that’s Honda, Toyota and Ford, plus the luxury brand I mentioned before.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the naysayers argue, electric cars will replace the gas cars in the next 5-10 years, that is taking over 50% of the car sales market. Everyone can have their own reasoning, rage anxiety, being fond of noise etc., whatever floats your boat. But the truth is electric cars are better, higher performance and to a degree cheaper (total cost of ownership).

It’s pretty clear where things are going regarding cars. If I were to buy a car today, unless I will hold it for over 10 years, I’d go electric just so it doesn’t depreciate in value considerably.

I just bought a Toyota hybrid. My hybrid might be a dinosaur in 5 years, but your electric car will be too since tech is changing so rapidly.

I don't think depreciation is a great argument for buying electric right now. I think you buy what works for your own situation and hope for the best.

Why hope if you can make an daycares estimate. Depreciation matters if you want to sell the car after 5 years and get a new car see this example
Tesla 3, $35k, depreciation 35%.
Prius, $25k, depreciation 50%.

You lost about the same amount in depreciation after 5 years, but I am betting the cost of maintenance and fuel was higher for the Prius. On top of that you used a luxury car with the Tesla with a lot of features and not a very nice car for the Prius, which is quite ugly and doesn’t drive that well.

Of course you need to consider other costs like insurance, taxes, rebates, etc, maintenance and so on, so say you are about to buy a new car.

I would choose a bare bones Tesla 3 over a Prius any day (and I have). I think it’s hard to make an argument for a Prius under these conditions.
It’s even harder to make the same argument for a BMW, Mercedes, Lexus or Audi, which is why Tesla is absolutely clobbering them in the small/medium luxury segment.

So Tesla doesn’t directly compete exactly with Prius on the cost, but it does compete for the same customers and typically wins them over. If you check which cars are the most traded in for a Tesla, that’s Honda, Toyota and Ford, plus the luxury brand I mentioned before.

I didn’t buy a Prius. I bought a 2-year-old Toyota Avalon hybrid limited. And I love it. I’m guessing whoever traded it in bought a Tesla, but I felt more comfortable with the reliability of a Toyota—and we do a ton of long road trips. I guess since I bought used (and not luxury) this thread isn’t really about me. I just know that aside from Tesla, electric cars do see some pretty significant depreciation. It was a factor for me when I was car shopping.

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How you drive and how often is just as important. I have no issue driving a gas guzzler. Its two years old and has under 5K miles on it. That has to be more efficient than another vehicle 2 years old with 50K miles on it.

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Anonymous wrote:How you drive and how often is just as important. I have no issue driving a gas guzzler. Its two years old and has under 5K miles on it. That has to be more efficient than another vehicle 2 years old with 50K miles on it.

At that mileage I’m not sure it’s worth having a car. Why not Uber everywhere you need to? Your car still costs you at $3-5k per year even if you don’t drive that much.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the naysayers argue, electric cars will replace the gas cars in the next 5-10 years, that is taking over 50% of the car sales market. Everyone can have their own reasoning, rage anxiety, being fond of noise etc., whatever floats your boat. But the truth is electric cars are better, higher performance and to a degree cheaper (total cost of ownership).

It’s pretty clear where things are going regarding cars. If I were to buy a car today, unless I will hold it for over 10 years, I’d go electric just so it doesn’t depreciate in value considerably.

I just bought a Toyota hybrid. My hybrid might be a dinosaur in 5 years, but your electric car will be too since tech is changing so rapidly.

I don't think depreciation is a great argument for buying electric right now. I think you buy what works for your own situation and hope for the best.

Why hope if you can make an daycares estimate. Depreciation matters if you want to sell the car after 5 years and get a new car see this example
Tesla 3, $35k, depreciation 35%.
Prius, $25k, depreciation 50%.

You lost about the same amount in depreciation after 5 years, but I am betting the cost of maintenance and fuel was higher for the Prius. On top of that you used a luxury car with the Tesla with a lot of features and not a very nice car for the Prius, which is quite ugly and doesn’t drive that well.

Of course you need to consider other costs like insurance, taxes, rebates, etc, maintenance and so on, so say you are about to buy a new car.

I would choose a bare bones Tesla 3 over a Prius any day (and I have). I think it’s hard to make an argument for a Prius under these conditions.
It’s even harder to make the same argument for a BMW, Mercedes, Lexus or Audi, which is why Tesla is absolutely clobbering them in the small/medium luxury segment.

So Tesla doesn’t directly compete exactly with Prius on the cost, but it does compete for the same customers and typically wins them over. If you check which cars are the most traded in for a Tesla, that’s Honda, Toyota and Ford, plus the luxury brand I mentioned before.

I didn’t buy a Prius. I bought a 2-year-old Toyota Avalon hybrid limited. And I love it. I’m guessing whoever traded it in bought a Tesla, but I felt more comfortable with the reliability of a Toyota—and we do a ton of long road trips. I guess since I bought used (and not luxury) this thread isn’t really about me. I just know that aside from Tesla, electric cars do see some pretty significant depreciation. It was a factor for me when I was car shopping.

I used to buy a lot of cars that were 2 year old from rental fleets. Still, I’d guess a new Avalon is not that much of a better deal comparable with a Tesla 3 or Y.

I think the reliability of Tesla is as good as any. I’ve had Toyotas, Mazda, Hyundai, and Teslas, used them up to 10 years. Anecdotal Toyota was the worst because I had to change the shocks, by the time I sold the second Toyota there were some metal shavings in the oil bath that I couldn’t figure the cause, nothing on the rest. I was taking care with regular maintenance: oil, filters, breakers, tires. This maintenance is 0 for Tesla and about $2k a year for the other brands. Also, interacting with the Tesla dealership is a pleasure, while for Toyota I hated it, they always try to sell you stuff, recall things etc. at Tesla even when they Gad to upgrade the car computer, they gave me a Uber voucher to move around.

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Yeah, you don’t need to charge to full, just charge enough to get you to the next place where you’ll charge (so either the next fast charging station or home). We drove our EV to New York recently. Stopped once to charge on the way there, for 18 minutes. Stopped twice on the way home to charge, for 20 and 22 minutes.

Charging just enough really goes against the grain for me. In the 8 years I've owned my current car, I've seen the low fuel indicator once. I always want a plan B.

Plan B is to charge at a closer charging station than the one you planned on. Smart to have a Plan B, but in most cases, your Plan A can be to charge just enough to get to the next charge (with a buffer for peace of mind). In most cases, though, you’re charging at home when your car is parked at night — only really need to worry about where to charge while on road trips.

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Because the Macan is superior to Tesla in every way - engineering, driving, handling, interior. I love my Macan. I enjoy driving. I enjoy the sound of a v8. I can afford it. That’s it. It has nothing to do with the environment.

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Anonymous wrote:Because the Macan is superior to Tesla in every way - engineering, driving, handling, interior. I love my Macan. I enjoy driving. I enjoy the sound of a v8. I can afford it. That’s it. It has nothing to do with the environment.

Beauty is in the eye, ear, wallet and conscientiousness of the beholder.