Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?

[Anonymous]

EV is not the future.

[Anonymous]

When an EV from either Porsche, Audi, or BMW comes out that looks good (Taycan and E-tron GT fit this currently), gets 400 miles of range and/or can fully charge in 10 minutes (I don't think any EV meets this, even Tesla crapboxes), and costs 100k or less with all the options I want, I will buy it. I don't see this happening for 5 years or so. I just bought a new 100k ICE Audi and loving it

[Anonymous]

Teslas are poorly made. I’ll stick with BMWs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:EV is not the future.

Engineer here. I'm pretty sure it is. I grew up reading car magazines in the 80s and 90s; I race cars as a hobby; I'm an automotive enthusiast. However, EVs are the future.

The problem with today's EVs is that they are still early solutions. The motor technology is improving, and the battery chemistry for certain has not been finalized. It took gasoline/diesel engines decades for the details to be worked out and go through iterations of refinement to the modern day where they squeeze out 200+HP from a liter of displacement. The process will be *MUCH* quicker for EVs, but we are not there yet. Maybe another 5-10 years. And this is why I am not buying an EV now, because it will certainly be obsolete in relatively short order - and I don't mean that the EVs sold now will be unusable in 5-10 years, but that there would be something *so much better* - I would liken it to the generational improvements we saw from the Apple iPhone and early Android devices. Things improved dramatically generation over generation until the modern day when the need to upgrade is far less justified. I'm waiting for EVs to reach that level of refinement before switching.

Until then, I'm going to buy one more high-end gas car... with two doors and a manual transmission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:EV is not the future.

Engineer here. I'm pretty sure it is. I grew up reading car magazines in the 80s and 90s; I race cars as a hobby; I'm an automotive enthusiast. However, EVs are the future.

The problem with today's EVs is that they are still early solutions. The motor technology is improving, and the battery chemistry for certain has not been finalized. It took gasoline/diesel engines decades for the details to be worked out and go through iterations of refinement to the modern day where they squeeze out 200+HP from a liter of displacement. The process will be *MUCH* quicker for EVs, but we are not there yet. Maybe another 5-10 years. And this is why I am not buying an EV now, because it will certainly be obsolete in relatively short order - and I don't mean that the EVs sold now will be unusable in 5-10 years, but that there would be something *so much better* - I would liken it to the generational improvements we saw from the Apple iPhone and early Android devices. Things improved dramatically generation over generation until the modern day when the need to upgrade is far less justified. I'm waiting for EVs to reach that level of refinement before switching.

Until then, I'm going to buy one more high-end gas car... with two doors and a manual transmission.

I agree. Seems like an odd question, overall. Gas powered cars are better performing and more efficient than they’ve ever been. Electric cars are in their infancy, and the infrastructure isn’t there yet. Hence….you should buy an electric car? Strange reasoning.

[Anonymous]

To respond to the above. I think any current EV ~ 300 mile range has pretty good “staying power” — but I can’t for the life of me understand the high-end new EVs coming out RIGHT NOW with low 200s range. Including from Lexus and BMW. Between deterioration of the battery over time and potential cold weather region, the resale and staying power of these is going to be horrendous, right?

While the only thing that will ever hurt a Tesla Model S Plaid’s resale is maybe the seats or paint showing some age? Otherwise that car is built for the test of time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My next car, around $50K, will be gas because I don’t think there will be an electric car large enough and with a long enough range to drive my family and two large dogs the 200 miles to our beach house without stopping to charge. The one after that, though - definitely.

See: Rivian R1S. 3 row SUV with 314 miles range

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My next car, around $50K, will be gas because I don’t think there will be an electric car large enough and with a long enough range to drive my family and two large dogs the 200 miles to our beach house without stopping to charge. The one after that, though - definitely.

See: Rivian R1S. 3 row SUV with 314 miles range

This is why electric car advocates are totally unhelpful. PP said $50k. You recommended him a car that STARTS at 72k, has been through production hell with numerous pushbacks, and for all we know may never get released or may get released in a Tesla-like econobox quality

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My next car, around $50K, will be gas because I don’t think there will be an electric car large enough and with a long enough range to drive my family and two large dogs the 200 miles to our beach house without stopping to charge. The one after that, though - definitely.

See: Rivian R1S. 3 row SUV with 314 miles range

This is why electric car advocates are totally unhelpful. PP said $50k. You recommended him a car that STARTS at 72k, has been through production hell with numerous pushbacks, and for all we know may never get released or may get released in a Tesla-like econobox quality

The only point I agree with here is the cost. It definitely is way over $50K. However, it most certainly will be released, will hit the streets this year (production hell? Ummmm, ok) and quality will be miles ahead of Tesla.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My next car, around $50K, will be gas because I don’t think there will be an electric car large enough and with a long enough range to drive my family and two large dogs the 200 miles to our beach house without stopping to charge. The one after that, though - definitely.

See: Rivian R1S. 3 row SUV with 314 miles range

Vaporware.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My next car, around $50K, will be gas because I don’t think there will be an electric car large enough and with a long enough range to drive my family and two large dogs the 200 miles to our beach house without stopping to charge. The one after that, though - definitely.

See: Rivian R1S. 3 row SUV with 314 miles range

Vaporware.

R1T is out now so clearly it’s real.

[Anonymous]

Is there a reliable 7-passenger EV SUV available now (for 5 people, luggage, and a dog)? We drive to NY once month to visit my elderly mother. I drive, on average, 75mph (no I’m not slowing down if I don’t have to), and we hate to stop during our roughly 3 hour drive. I googled and there are no options as far as I can see.

If I have to stop due to my average driving speed, then ev at this time isn’t for us. If I can’t pack in my family comfortably in an ev, an ev at this time is not for us. Everything else about an ev I can work with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My next car, around $50K, will be gas because I don’t think there will be an electric car large enough and with a long enough range to drive my family and two large dogs the 200 miles to our beach house without stopping to charge. The one after that, though - definitely.

See: Rivian R1S. 3 row SUV with 314 miles range

What an ugly car. Hideous. I have to like the way my car looks especially at that price.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there a reliable 7-passenger EV SUV available now (for 5 people, luggage, and a dog)? We drive to NY once month to visit my elderly mother. I drive, on average, 75mph (no I’m not slowing down if I don’t have to), and we hate to stop during our roughly 3 hour drive. I googled and there are no options as far as I can see.

If I have to stop due to my average driving speed, then ev at this time isn’t for us. If I can’t pack in my family comfortably in an ev, an ev at this time is not for us. Everything else about an ev I can work with.

There is no EV out now that meets these needs. Not sure there's anything in the pipeline that does, either. (I imagine there will be 7-seat EVs at some point, but 75 mph on the highway is just going to chew up range more than, say, 70 would.)

[Anonymous]

Now? No.

In 5 years when I'll be looking for new cars? Perhaps -- it will completely depend upon pricing and where the technology is by then.