Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

I know more about that history than most people on this thread. Guarantee you.

Including the fact that Palestinians have never had a sovereign state called “Palestine.”

That doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to one now. I think they are.

But the history just isn’t there like it is for the Jews.

My favorite “rebuttal” is when people point to Syria Palaestina as though it was some sort of independent Palestinian, Muslim entity. It was a Roman province formed from the Kingdom of Judea, when they conquered and expelled the Jews. It had mostly Romans. Some Arabic, Phonecian, and Syrian people briefly lived there, but by the 5th century AD it was majority Christian.

This is quite interesting. It reminds me of Northern Greeks wrapping themselves in the identity of ancient Macedonia when ethnically, they are of the same Albanian lineage folks across the border. That sort of thing.

It's all fascinating but our dear PP friend left out the Philistines. However if the Palestinians are the Philistines and the Israelis are the Israelites then according to the archeological record the Israelis are indigenous (no exodus) while the Palestinians were settled there from Crete by Egypt 3000 years ago.

It's insane. It's truly all insane.

? Is there any evidence Palestinians are related to the Philistines?

Actually, I think this is a known thing. The ancient Philistines are the Palestinians -- I would distance myself too, given the what 'philistine' means as an adjective.

No it’s not. The Philistines basically disappeared as a people quite a long time ago, into the Persian empire.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw the Al Jazeera video and yes, looks like multiple rockets were launched from deep inside Gaza towards Israel.

One malfunctioned and dropped down in Gaza territory causing the huge explosion.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw the Al Jazeera video and yes, looks like multiple rockets were launched from deep inside Gaza towards Israel.

One malfunctioned and dropped down in Gaza territory causing the huge explosion.

Exactly.

Israel has doctored videos and photos, and utilized old videos to try to prove that Hamas did it. The curtain has already been pulled back on their lies and we no longer believe it.
They must be brought to justice.

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Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

You couldn't be more wrong. DH majored in history before law school with an emphasis in this field.

Same. My husband graduated from Michigan with honors and majored in History. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of the history of Israel.

Our conversations about this always involve researching primary sources and verifying information as we talk.

Wait a second, people here are citing their husbands' undergrad degrees as authoritative here?

Good lord.

What? I’m saying he’s well informed. So am I.

Does either one of you have real world experience or was all your expertise gained in some classroom? I've noticed in the past several years the people who are wrong the most are those who think they know everything because of some degree without any actual experience.

We are both Jewish. We have extensive family in Israel. I have lived all over the world.

But I guess sharing our educational backgrounds means that’s all we know?

Ok- so cite the real world experience. It's a bit more credible. Undergraduate history degrees are a dime a dozen.

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Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

You couldn't be more wrong. DH majored in history before law school with an emphasis in this field.

Same. My husband graduated from Michigan with honors and majored in History. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of the history of Israel.

Our conversations about this always involve researching primary sources and verifying information as we talk.

Wait a second, people here are citing their husbands' undergrad degrees as authoritative here?

Good lord.

What? I’m saying he’s well informed. So am I.

Does either one of you have real world experience or was all your expertise gained in some classroom? I've noticed in the past several years the people who are wrong the most are those who think they know everything because of some degree without any actual experience.

We are both Jewish. We have extensive family in Israel. I have lived all over the world.

But I guess sharing our educational backgrounds means that’s all we know?

Ok- so cite the real world experience. It's a bit more credible. Undergraduate history degrees are a dime a dozen.

What real world experience do you have?

We all cite what we know. Utilizing one’s education at least in part is completely fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

I know more about that history than most people on this thread. Guarantee you.

Including the fact that Palestinians have never had a sovereign state called “Palestine.”

That doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to one now. I think they are.

But the history just isn’t there like it is for the Jews.

My favorite “rebuttal” is when people point to Syria Palaestina as though it was some sort of independent Palestinian, Muslim entity. It was a Roman province formed from the Kingdom of Judea, when they conquered and expelled the Jews. It had mostly Romans. Some Arabic, Phonecian, and Syrian people briefly lived there, but by the 5th century AD it was majority Christian.

This is quite interesting. It reminds me of Northern Greeks wrapping themselves in the identity of ancient Macedonia when ethnically, they are of the same Albanian lineage folks across the border. That sort of thing.

Yep.

I think Al Aqsa Mosque is a good representation for it.

Muslims consider the Mosque very holy and are enraged when Jews attempt to pray there.

But here’s the problem: it happens to be on the site of the Jewish Second Temple, which the Romans destroyed. It’s the single holiest site in the world for Jews. Jews haven’t been allowed to pray there for decades.

And of course people forget it’s also the single holiest site in the world for Christians, who also haven’t been allowed to pray there.

So do Muslims have an argument for valuing the site? Yes. But so do Jews and Christians.

That's a great example. Maybe the Muslims who worship at Al Aqsa could lead by example (sharing)?

The Israeli Government has passed a law barring all non-Jews from praying there.

Someone will come on here and point to examples of Orthodox Jews going there to pray, but they are doing so in violation of Israeli law.

It would definitely be nice if Muslims allowed the site to open up.

I can’t even go there with a Jewish prayer book. It’s against the law to even bring it in.

Kind of like Bibles in SA. Lovely...

And remember this is in Israel.

For all the people who say Israel is a horrific genocidal place.

They have given Muslims exclusive access to that site, depriving Jews of praying anywhere closer to our holiest site than the Western Wall.

I'm not big on overstating things in connection with what is going on in Gaza and Israel, but this is a point that rarely gets highlighted. Islam has at least 3 (that I am aware of) holy sites - Mecca, Medina, and the Dome of the Rock (Al Aqsa Mosque). Jews have one - that's it - the Temple Mount, on which the Al Aqsa Mosque sits.

Yep.

We have very few geographic sites that are significant, given that we’ve been primarily a diaspora for so long.

Honestly it makes me extremely sad that I can’t walk into the mosque site and quietly pray. I don’t want to disrespect anyone. I just want to pray at my religion’s holiest site.

Can all Muslims even visit this site? So many schisms tbh.

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https://x.com/AdamBienkov/status/1714382690420449586?s=20

Israel keeps lying.

Plus, none of Hamas prior rockets have had anywhere near the capacity of this one. Now all of a sudden they have the capacity to obliterate a hospital.

Israel are lying.

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Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

You couldn't be more wrong. DH majored in history before law school with an emphasis in this field.

Same. My husband graduated from Michigan with honors and majored in History. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of the history of Israel.

Our conversations about this always involve researching primary sources and verifying information as we talk.

Wait a second, people here are citing their husbands' undergrad degrees as authoritative here?

Good lord.

What? I’m saying he’s well informed. So am I.

Does either one of you have real world experience or was all your expertise gained in some classroom? I've noticed in the past several years the people who are wrong the most are those who think they know everything because of some degree without any actual experience.

We are both Jewish. We have extensive family in Israel. I have lived all over the world.

But I guess sharing our educational backgrounds means that’s all we know?

Ok- so cite the real world experience. It's a bit more credible. Undergraduate history degrees are a dime a dozen.

DP here. It was a response to a PP's assertion that we didn't know anything about the history of the Ottoman empire. Typically get that information from education rather than experience since the Ottoman empire no longer exists.

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Anonymous wrote:https://x.com/AdamBienkov/status/1714382690420449586?s=20

Israel keeps lying.

Plus, none of Hamas prior rockets have had anywhere near the capacity of this one. Now all of a sudden they have the capacity to obliterate a hospital.

Israel are lying.

And I love how all the pro-genocide people on this board are pretending like Ben-Gvir is the restrained one. I see no difference between him and Hamas.

https://x.com/davidrkadler/status/1714362716565979534?s=20

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Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

I know more about that history than most people on this thread. Guarantee you.

Including the fact that Palestinians have never had a sovereign state called “Palestine.”

That doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to one now. I think they are.

But the history just isn’t there like it is for the Jews.

My favorite “rebuttal” is when people point to Syria Palaestina as though it was some sort of independent Palestinian, Muslim entity. It was a Roman province formed from the Kingdom of Judea, when they conquered and expelled the Jews. It had mostly Romans. Some Arabic, Phonecian, and Syrian people briefly lived there, but by the 5th century AD it was majority Christian.

This is quite interesting. It reminds me of Northern Greeks wrapping themselves in the identity of ancient Macedonia when ethnically, they are of the same Albanian lineage folks across the border. That sort of thing.

Yep.

I think Al Aqsa Mosque is a good representation for it.

Muslims consider the Mosque very holy and are enraged when Jews attempt to pray there.

But here’s the problem: it happens to be on the site of the Jewish Second Temple, which the Romans destroyed. It’s the single holiest site in the world for Jews. Jews haven’t been allowed to pray there for decades.

And of course people forget it’s also the single holiest site in the world for Christians, who also haven’t been allowed to pray there.

So do Muslims have an argument for valuing the site? Yes. But so do Jews and Christians.

That's a great example. Maybe the Muslims who worship at Al Aqsa could lead by example (sharing)?

The Israeli Government has passed a law barring all non-Jews from praying there.

Someone will come on here and point to examples of Orthodox Jews going there to pray, but they are doing so in violation of Israeli law.

It would definitely be nice if Muslims allowed the site to open up.

I can’t even go there with a Jewish prayer book. It’s against the law to even bring it in.

Kind of like Bibles in SA. Lovely...

And remember this is in Israel.

For all the people who say Israel is a horrific genocidal place.

They have given Muslims exclusive access to that site, depriving Jews of praying anywhere closer to our holiest site than the Western Wall.

I'm not big on overstating things in connection with what is going on in Gaza and Israel, but this is a point that rarely gets highlighted. Islam has at least 3 (that I am aware of) holy sites - Mecca, Medina, and the Dome of the Rock (Al Aqsa Mosque). Jews have one - that's it - the Temple Mount, on which the Al Aqsa Mosque sits.

Yep.

We have very few geographic sites that are significant, given that we’ve been primarily a diaspora for so long.

Honestly it makes me extremely sad that I can’t walk into the mosque site and quietly pray. I don’t want to disrespect anyone. I just want to pray at my religion’s holiest site.

Can all Muslims even visit this site? So many schisms tbh.

Yes. But if you’re not Muslim, you can’t enter the mosque itself. You can be on the grounds of the complex, but not inside the mosque.

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Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

You couldn't be more wrong. DH majored in history before law school with an emphasis in this field.

Same. My husband graduated from Michigan with honors and majored in History. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of the history of Israel.

Our conversations about this always involve researching primary sources and verifying information as we talk.

I

Wait a second, people here are citing their husbands' undergrad degrees as authoritative here?

Good lord.

What? I’m saying he’s well informed. So am I.

Does either one of you have real world experience or was all your expertise gained in some classroom? I've noticed in the past several years the people who are wrong the most are those who think they know everything because of some degree without any actual experience.

We are both Jewish. We have extensive family in Israel. I have lived all over the world.

But I guess sharing our educational backgrounds means that’s all we know?

Ok- so cite the real world experience. It's a bit more credible. Undergraduate history degrees are a dime a dozen.

What real world experience do you have?

We all cite what we know. Utilizing one’s education at least in part is completely fine.

I don't have any real world experience in this area, but I'm also not opining on it. Someone presenting a history degree earned 20 years ago as proof of being a subject matter expert is laughable.

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Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

I know more about that history than most people on this thread. Guarantee you.

Including the fact that Palestinians have never had a sovereign state called “Palestine.”

That doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to one now. I think they are.

But the history just isn’t there like it is for the Jews.

My favorite “rebuttal” is when people point to Syria Palaestina as though it was some sort of independent Palestinian, Muslim entity. It was a Roman province formed from the Kingdom of Judea, when they conquered and expelled the Jews. It had mostly Romans. Some Arabic, Phonecian, and Syrian people briefly lived there, but by the 5th century AD it was majority Christian.

This is quite interesting. It reminds me of Northern Greeks wrapping themselves in the identity of ancient Macedonia when ethnically, they are of the same Albanian lineage folks across the border. That sort of thing.

It's all fascinating but our dear PP friend left out the Philistines. However if the Palestinians are the Philistines and the Israelis are the Israelites then according to the archeological record the Israelis are indigenous (no exodus) while the Palestinians were settled there from Crete by Egypt 3000 years ago.

It's insane. It's truly all insane.

? Is there any evidence Palestinians are related to the Philistines?

Actually, I think this is a known thing. The ancient Philistines are the Palestinians -- I would distance myself too, given the what 'philistine' means as an adjective.

No it’s not. The Philistines basically disappeared as a people quite a long time ago, into the Persian empire.

They seem to be one of MANY groups that left a fingerprint. TBH Palestinians may be one of the least distinct groups I've ever seen. Wow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians

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Anonymous wrote:Hope the death of 500+ civilians today quenches Israel’s thirst for revenge.

Abbas has canceled his meetings with Biden.

Blame Hamas. They shot the rocket.

And, you know this how? Israeli propaganda sent you talking points?

It seems that misfiring rockets from Gaza may be an ongoing problem - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-denial-doubt-over-misfiring-rocket-claims-2022-08-11/

It's an intercepted rocket followed by a bomb drop.

What he's apparently saying is that Israel shot down the Hamas missile which fell toward the hospital, but which somehow for sure did not detonate, and simultaneously Israel launched their own missile at the hospital, which then blew it up.

Pretzel logic

Intercepted rockets detonate in air, and it is obvious from the footage that this did, they don't explode on land after being intercepted. The massive explosion is a bomb.

Iron dome does not intercept missiles over Gaza City.

Only at Gaza Border or inside Israeli land.


Nice try….

Who said anything about Iron Dome? Iron Dome is a new invention, how do you think rockets are intercepted in places that don't have Iron Domes?

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Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

You couldn't be more wrong. DH majored in history before law school with an emphasis in this field.

Same. My husband graduated from Michigan with honors and majored in History. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of the history of Israel.

Our conversations about this always involve researching primary sources and verifying information as we talk.

Wait a second, people here are citing their husbands' undergrad degrees as authoritative here?

Good lord.

What? I’m saying he’s well informed. So am I.

Does either one of you have real world experience or was all your expertise gained in some classroom? I've noticed in the past several years the people who are wrong the most are those who think they know everything because of some degree without any actual experience.

We are both Jewish. We have extensive family in Israel. I have lived all over the world.

But I guess sharing our educational backgrounds means that’s all we know?

Ok- so cite the real world experience. It's a bit more credible. Undergraduate history degrees are a dime a dozen.

DP here. It was a response to a PP's assertion that we didn't know anything about the history of the Ottoman empire. Typically get that information from education rather than experience since the Ottoman empire no longer exists.

Cite your real world experience with the Ottoman Empire!! Jeez.

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Also the rockets misfire all the time. They crash well short of their target and many crash in Gaza.


Here is news report from 2019 where news reporter saw them launch rockets and one misfired and hit the building right next door to the launch wait killing a Palestinian family.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/fox-news-trey-yingst-reports-from-deep-inside-hamas/amp/