Looks like a new Gaza war has started

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

You couldn't be more wrong. DH majored in history before law school with an emphasis in this field.

Same. My husband graduated from Michigan with honors and majored in History. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of the history of Israel.

Our conversations about this always involve researching primary sources and verifying information as we talk.

Wait a second, people here are citing their husbands' undergrad degrees as authoritative here?

Good lord.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

I know more about that history than most people on this thread. Guarantee you.

Including the fact that Palestinians have never had a sovereign state called “Palestine.”

That doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to one now. I think they are.

But the history just isn’t there like it is for the Jews.

My favorite “rebuttal” is when people point to Syria Palaestina as though it was some sort of independent Palestinian, Muslim entity. It was a Roman province formed from the Kingdom of Judea, when they conquered and expelled the Jews. It had mostly Romans. Some Arabic, Phonecian, and Syrian people briefly lived there, but by the 5th century AD it was majority Christian.

This is quite interesting. It reminds me of Northern Greeks wrapping themselves in the identity of ancient Macedonia when ethnically, they are of the same Albanian lineage folks across the border. That sort of thing.

Yep.

I think Al Aqsa Mosque is a good representation for it.

Muslims consider the Mosque very holy and are enraged when Jews attempt to pray there.

But here’s the problem: it happens to be on the site of the Jewish Second Temple, which the Romans destroyed. It’s the single holiest site in the world for Jews. Jews haven’t been allowed to pray there for decades.

And of course people forget it’s also the single holiest site in the world for Christians, who also haven’t been allowed to pray there.

So do Muslims have an argument for valuing the site? Yes. But so do Jews and Christians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

I know more about that history than most people on this thread. Guarantee you.

Including the fact that Palestinians have never had a sovereign state called “Palestine.”

That doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to one now. I think they are.

But the history just isn’t there like it is for the Jews.

My favorite “rebuttal” is when people point to Syria Palaestina as though it was some sort of independent Palestinian, Muslim entity. It was a Roman province formed from the Kingdom of Judea, when they conquered and expelled the Jews. It had mostly Romans. Some Arabic, Phonecian, and Syrian people briefly lived there, but by the 5th century AD it was majority Christian.

I mean the whole homeland thing is such nonsense. There are millions if not billions of people happily living in places that aren’t their homelands. Frankly the smart ones left their homelands when they became inhospitable and made their way forward somewhere else with better offerings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

You couldn't be more wrong. DH majored in history before law school with an emphasis in this field.

Same. My husband graduated from Michigan with honors and majored in History. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of the history of Israel.

Our conversations about this always involve researching primary sources and verifying information as we talk.

Ok, we've jumped the shark now lol.

Huh? Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can go and look at the now deleted tweet from the spokesperson for Israel where Israel first took credit for bombing the Baptist Hospital. Once they saw how many civilians it killed he deleted this tweet and blamed the attack on Hamas and said Hamas bombed the hospital themselves. Unbelievable

It's incredibly easy to fake a tweet, screenshot it, and then claim it was deleted. And it's all the more likely to have been faked when the biggest people making the claim of a deleted tweet are known propagandists with a long, existing history of falsifying information, like Jackson Hinkle.

I reserve judgement til I see far more credible info.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

I know more about that history than most people on this thread. Guarantee you.

Including the fact that Palestinians have never had a sovereign state called “Palestine.”

That doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to one now. I think they are.

But the history just isn’t there like it is for the Jews.

My favorite “rebuttal” is when people point to Syria Palaestina as though it was some sort of independent Palestinian, Muslim entity. It was a Roman province formed from the Kingdom of Judea, when they conquered and expelled the Jews. It had mostly Romans. Some Arabic, Phonecian, and Syrian people briefly lived there, but by the 5th century AD it was majority Christian.

I mean the whole homeland thing is such nonsense. There are millions if not billions of people happily living in places that aren’t their homelands. Frankly the smart ones left their homelands when they became inhospitable and made their way forward somewhere else with better offerings.

Things tend to be a little different when you’ve been on the run since the Romans expelled you from said homeland, and have managed to survive dozens of genocides.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

You couldn't be more wrong. DH majored in history before law school with an emphasis in this field.

Same. My husband graduated from Michigan with honors and majored in History. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of the history of Israel.

Our conversations about this always involve researching primary sources and verifying information as we talk.

Wait a second, people here are citing their husbands' undergrad degrees as authoritative here?

Good lord.

What? I’m saying he’s well informed. So am I.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

You couldn't be more wrong. DH majored in history before law school with an emphasis in this field.

Same. My husband graduated from Michigan with honors and majored in History. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of the history of Israel.

Our conversations about this always involve researching primary sources and verifying information as we talk.

Ok, we've jumped the shark now lol.

Huh? Why?

DP.

"My husband says....and he's got his degree from...." is comedic gold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

I know more about that history than most people on this thread. Guarantee you.

Including the fact that Palestinians have never had a sovereign state called “Palestine.”

That doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to one now. I think they are.

But the history just isn’t there like it is for the Jews.

My favorite “rebuttal” is when people point to Syria Palaestina as though it was some sort of independent Palestinian, Muslim entity. It was a Roman province formed from the Kingdom of Judea, when they conquered and expelled the Jews. It had mostly Romans. Some Arabic, Phonecian, and Syrian people briefly lived there, but by the 5th century AD it was majority Christian.

I mean the whole homeland thing is such nonsense. There are millions if not billions of people happily living in places that aren’t their homelands. Frankly the smart ones left their homelands when they became inhospitable and made their way forward somewhere else with better offerings.

Too bad Egypt doesn't want Gaza and Jordan doesn't want the West Bank. That seems the most obvious solution to me as a third party observer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

I know more about that history than most people on this thread. Guarantee you.

Including the fact that Palestinians have never had a sovereign state called “Palestine.”

That doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to one now. I think they are.

But the history just isn’t there like it is for the Jews.

My favorite “rebuttal” is when people point to Syria Palaestina as though it was some sort of independent Palestinian, Muslim entity. It was a Roman province formed from the Kingdom of Judea, when they conquered and expelled the Jews. It had mostly Romans. Some Arabic, Phonecian, and Syrian people briefly lived there, but by the 5th century AD it was majority Christian.

This is quite interesting. It reminds me of Northern Greeks wrapping themselves in the identity of ancient Macedonia when ethnically, they are of the same Albanian lineage folks across the border. That sort of thing.

Yep.

I think Al Aqsa Mosque is a good representation for it.

Muslims consider the Mosque very holy and are enraged when Jews attempt to pray there.

But here’s the problem: it happens to be on the site of the Jewish Second Temple, which the Romans destroyed. It’s the single holiest site in the world for Jews. Jews haven’t been allowed to pray there for decades.

And of course people forget it’s also the single holiest site in the world for Christians, who also haven’t been allowed to pray there.

So do Muslims have an argument for valuing the site? Yes. But so do Jews and Christians.

That's a great example. Maybe the Muslims who worship at Al Aqsa could lead by example (sharing)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

I know more about that history than most people on this thread. Guarantee you.

Including the fact that Palestinians have never had a sovereign state called “Palestine.”

That doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to one now. I think they are.

But the history just isn’t there like it is for the Jews.

My favorite “rebuttal” is when people point to Syria Palaestina as though it was some sort of independent Palestinian, Muslim entity. It was a Roman province formed from the Kingdom of Judea, when they conquered and expelled the Jews. It had mostly Romans. Some Arabic, Phonecian, and Syrian people briefly lived there, but by the 5th century AD it was majority Christian.

I mean the whole homeland thing is such nonsense. There are millions if not billions of people happily living in places that aren’t their homelands. Frankly the smart ones left their homelands when they became inhospitable and made their way forward somewhere else with better offerings.

Too bad Egypt doesn't want Gaza and Jordan doesn't want the West Bank. That seems the most obvious solution to me as a third party observer.

Read some history. Egypt doesn’t have a history as a good actor here. Before Jimmy Carter helped broker peace between Egypt and Israel, Egypt had a habit of attacking Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel bombed a UN School this week. Israel bombed the Jordanian Field Hospital this week. Israel bombed the UNRWA storage facilities this week. Israel bombed the Rafah border crossing this week. Israel bombed 11 journalists this week.

Israel bombed the al-Ahli Hospital.

US and Europe fully own this Warsaw 2.0 ghetto massacre.

I have yet to see any credible,, definitive evidence to support these claims.

Israel has dropped thousands of bombs on Gaza this week - more than the US dropped on Afghanistan in a year. Yet, you somehow believe that none of those thousand bombs hit their intended targets.
Israel needs to be tried for war crimes. I don't understand how these same people have condemned Russia but support Israel in the very same actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

You couldn't be more wrong. DH majored in history before law school with an emphasis in this field.

Same. My husband graduated from Michigan with honors and majored in History. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of the history of Israel.

Our conversations about this always involve researching primary sources and verifying information as we talk.

Ok, we've jumped the shark now lol.

Huh? Why?

DP.

"My husband says....and he's got his degree from...." is comedic gold.

DP... I agree that's pretty weak - but at least it beats the 99% of opinions here which are solely informed by social media and dippy 24 hour news channels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

I know more about that history than most people on this thread. Guarantee you.

Including the fact that Palestinians have never had a sovereign state called “Palestine.”

That doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to one now. I think they are.

But the history just isn’t there like it is for the Jews.

My favorite “rebuttal” is when people point to Syria Palaestina as though it was some sort of independent Palestinian, Muslim entity. It was a Roman province formed from the Kingdom of Judea, when they conquered and expelled the Jews. It had mostly Romans. Some Arabic, Phonecian, and Syrian people briefly lived there, but by the 5th century AD it was majority Christian.

This is quite interesting. It reminds me of Northern Greeks wrapping themselves in the identity of ancient Macedonia when ethnically, they are of the same Albanian lineage folks across the border. That sort of thing.

Yep.

I think Al Aqsa Mosque is a good representation for it.

Muslims consider the Mosque very holy and are enraged when Jews attempt to pray there.

But here’s the problem: it happens to be on the site of the Jewish Second Temple, which the Romans destroyed. It’s the single holiest site in the world for Jews. Jews haven’t been allowed to pray there for decades.

And of course people forget it’s also the single holiest site in the world for Christians, who also haven’t been allowed to pray there.

So do Muslims have an argument for valuing the site? Yes. But so do Jews and Christians.

That's a great example. Maybe the Muslims who worship at Al Aqsa could lead by example (sharing)?

The Israeli Government has passed a law barring all non-Jews from praying there.

Someone will come on here and point to examples of Orthodox Jews going there to pray, but they are doing so in violation of Israeli law.

It would definitely be nice if Muslims allowed the site to open up.

I can’t even go there with a Jewish prayer book. It’s against the law to even bring it in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

You couldn't be more wrong. DH majored in history before law school with an emphasis in this field.

Same. My husband graduated from Michigan with honors and majored in History. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of the history of Israel.

Our conversations about this always involve researching primary sources and verifying information as we talk.

Ok, we've jumped the shark now lol.

Huh? Why?

DP.

"My husband says....and he's got his degree from...." is comedic gold.

DCUM is something else...