Looks like a new Gaza war has started

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

I know more about that history than most people on this thread. Guarantee you.

Including the fact that Palestinians have never had a sovereign state called “Palestine.”

That doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to one now. I think they are.

But the history just isn’t there like it is for the Jews.

My favorite “rebuttal” is when people point to Syria Palaestina as though it was some sort of independent Palestinian, Muslim entity. It was a Roman province formed from the Kingdom of Judea, when they conquered and expelled the Jews. It had mostly Romans. Some Arabic, Phonecian, and Syrian people briefly lived there, but by the 5th century AD it was majority Christian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel bombed a UN School this week. Israel bombed the Jordanian Field Hospital this week. Israel bombed the UNRWA storage facilities this week. Israel bombed the Rafah border crossing this week. Israel bombed 11 journalists this week.

Israel bombed the al-Ahli Hospital.

US and Europe fully own this Warsaw 2.0 ghetto massacre.

It is a complete waste of finger power to bother refuting you AGAIN.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no chance Israel would purposely target that hospital hours before the US president is scheduled to arrive. It is a well known hospital. It's been there for years. It's a Christian hospital. It's largely staffed by Doctors Without Borders. Israel is not targeting that building.

Abbas has just cancelled his meeting with Biden and the West Bank is presently rioting. This hospital strike is working out very well for Hamas.

I would hope that is the case (that Israel did not authorize this barbaric attack). Mainstream media are reporting it as carried out by Israel though.

It sounds more like a a Russian move (they bombed hospitals and clinics in Syria also). Russians were recorded training HAMAS fighters.

Is there any proof as to whom authorized this terrible act?

Huh? No one is reporting it as carried out by Israel.

Sorry - reports are saying Hamas and Israel are trading blame, as Biden heads to Mideast.

Is there any proof as to which side did bomb the Gaza hospital ?

No, there isn't. It's way too early. There's only proof of people trying to win an internet argument.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

You couldn't be more wrong. DH majored in history before law school with an emphasis in this field.

Same. My husband graduated from Michigan with honors and majored in History. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of the history of Israel.

Our conversations about this always involve researching primary sources and verifying information as we talk.

[Anonymous]

You can go and look at the now deleted tweet from the spokesperson for Israel where Israel first took credit for bombing the Baptist Hospital. Once they saw how many civilians it killed he deleted this tweet and blamed the attack on Hamas and said Hamas bombed the hospital themselves. Unbelievable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of who fired the rocket that hit the hospital, people on both sides of this issue will believe that the other side did it. And that may be enough to unleash terrorist attacks and destabilizing events all over the world. Judging from the passion on this thread for blaming one side or the other, it may not matter very much who launched that rocket. The damage is done.

This is the unfortunate truth of the matter

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

I know more about that history than most people on this thread. Guarantee you.

Including the fact that Palestinians have never had a sovereign state called “Palestine.”

That doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to one now. I think they are.

But the history just isn’t there like it is for the Jews.

My favorite “rebuttal” is when people point to Syria Palaestina as though it was some sort of independent Palestinian, Muslim entity. It was a Roman province formed from the Kingdom of Judea, when they conquered and expelled the Jews. It had mostly Romans. Some Arabic, Phonecian, and Syrian people briefly lived there, but by the 5th century AD it was majority Christian.

This is quite interesting. It reminds me of Northern Greeks wrapping themselves in the identity of ancient Macedonia when ethnically, they are of the same Albanian lineage folks across the border. That sort of thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel bombed a UN School this week. Israel bombed the Jordanian Field Hospital this week. Israel bombed the UNRWA storage facilities this week. Israel bombed the Rafah border crossing this week. Israel bombed 11 journalists this week.

Israel bombed the al-Ahli Hospital.

US and Europe fully own this Warsaw 2.0 ghetto massacre.

I have yet to see any credible,, definitive evidence to support these claims.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one curious to know the age/race/income/education level of some of the posters on this board? I find it all fascinating from a sociological perspective.

I 100% condemn Israel's atrocities. They are war criminals. I am 40+, female, attorney, and make a good amount of money. The more education you have about the region, the more likely you are to understand that Israel is not a good actor.

My far right Christian neighbors, however, believe that Israel has the second coming of Christ on their side and God is working with them to destroy Muslims.

There is a large discrepancy in education here.

Interesting. Similar age/income/education here and couldn't disagree more.

Are you Jewish?

Most of my friends with higher levels of education and having any level or insight into the region have understood that Israel has created an apartheid state. The only lawyers that I know that disagree with me are Jewish.

Are you in public interest or government? Makes sense if so.

Most private practice/corporate attorneys I know are anti-Hamas, anti-terrorist (but would like to see a 2 state solution).

In private practice and also anti-terrorist, which is why I do not support Israel.

Fascinating that you made the leap to "do not support Israel".

From the river to the sea, huh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can go and look at the now deleted tweet from the spokesperson for Israel where Israel first took credit for bombing the Baptist Hospital. Once they saw how many civilians it killed he deleted this tweet and blamed the attack on Hamas and said Hamas bombed the hospital themselves. Unbelievable

Better than that is the video evidence showing that the rocket came from Gaza. Hence, it is Hamas that bombed the hospital.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no chance Israel would purposely target that hospital hours before the US president is scheduled to arrive. It is a well known hospital. It's been there for years. It's a Christian hospital. It's largely staffed by Doctors Without Borders. Israel is not targeting that building.

Abbas has just cancelled his meeting with Biden and the West Bank is presently rioting. This hospital strike is working out very well for Hamas.

I would hope that is the case (that Israel did not authorize this barbaric attack). Mainstream media are reporting it as carried out by Israel though.

It sounds more like a a Russian move (they bombed hospitals and clinics in Syria also). Russians were recorded training HAMAS fighters.

Is there any proof as to whom authorized this terrible act?

Huh? No one is reporting it as carried out by Israel.

Sorry - reports are saying Hamas and Israel are trading blame, as Biden heads to Mideast.

Is there any proof as to which side did bomb the Gaza hospital ?

No, there isn't. It's way too early. There's only proof of people trying to win an internet argument.

+1

They're not even trying to win an argument. The "argument" is just a propaganda exercise for extremists on both sides.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hope the death of 500+ civilians today quenches Israel’s thirst for revenge.

Abbas has canceled his meetings with Biden.

Blame Hamas. They shot the rocket.

And what will this accomplish?

(Referring to Abbas canceling his meetings with Biden) ^

[Anonymous]

One side (Hamas militants) celebrates the killing of innocents live on video and trains children to hate Jews from cradle to grave. Hamas also uses innocent Palestinians as human shields and nobody bats an eye.

Imagine if Hamas were the more powerful actor than the IDF: Hamas would kill every last Jew living in Israel.

The IDF would never use their own citizens as human shields because they are not animals and because Hamas has no qualms about killing innocent people. The reason Hamas uses human shields is because it is an effective tactic against soldiers who are not monsters.

The Israeli government, for all of its many flaws, is not remotely equivalent to Hamas from a moral standpoint

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

You couldn't be more wrong. DH majored in history before law school with an emphasis in this field.

Same. My husband graduated from Michigan with honors and majored in History. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of the history of Israel.

Our conversations about this always involve researching primary sources and verifying information as we talk.

Ok, we've jumped the shark now lol.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting and convenient. Saudi Arabia wants to normalize relationship with Israel, attack on Israel. Biden wants to meet Abbas, strike on the hospital. Abbas cancels the meeting. Who is the beneficiary of the canceled meeting? Hamas. Israeli military is saying failed Jihadi rockets are to blame for the the hospital strike.

I don't think it was part of a sinister plot from Hamas. Its looking more and more like simple incompetence. Its not like these guys are engineers.

This is a JDAM, the typical precision munition typically used by the IDF. It is precision guided, from release to impact. Point is: the IDF hits exactly what it intends to hit:



This is an unguided, improvised Qassam terror-rocket, as used by Islamic Jihad and by Hamas (a designated terrorist organization):



It comes in larger sizes too. It lacks any guidance system at all. It is “aimed” by guessing a general direction of some distant target you hope to hit. It is notoriously unreliable and very inaccurate.

The hospital was most likely struck by accident by Islamic Jihad or by HAMAS.

We are saying the same thing. I'm just saying Hamas didn't do it intentionally to frame Israel. They just suck at launching rockets.

Yes, agreed. I did not mean to appear to disagree with you.