UVA student missing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's a little weird that she would go have a drink with this guy. When I was 18 if a 32 year old stranger asked me to have a drink in a bar I would have said no thank you. Anyone else think it's strange ?

No it's not. I liked older guys in my early 20s. They usually had fun hobbies, interesting occupations, and treated me with admiration that I enjoyed ( of course they just wanted a piece of ass but I was too young to realize it).

This is weird you know.

How is it weird? All I wanted to say is that some college girls are flattered by attention from older men. But whatever, let's not derail the thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think his lawyer said "you are looking at 30 years ..." and he fled.

Nope, he couldn't have said that. Former criminal defense lawyer who has contributed to this thread. At your initial meeting with a client you can't possible say what they are looking at without having seen the evidence, not to mention he hadn't been charged yet. Its possible that he said something that set him off, but I doubt it. He wouldn't have been able to say anything at that point except keep your mouth shut.

He did not say it like "30 years is your sentence..." He said it like "... you did what? " and the guy figured it out himself. Everyone knows what happens after a conviction..

Please. You have no idea what you are talking about. He knew exactly what he was facing, thats WHY he went to ask for a lawyer. And I can guarantee they didn't have a conversation about what he did or didn't do. Thats not how it works at that initial meeting. Plus I think it was a phone call, not a meeting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's a little weird that she would go have a drink with this guy. When I was 18 if a 32 year old stranger asked me to have a drink in a bar I would have said no thank you. Anyone else think it's strange ?

It is very strange. As an UVA alum, it it pretty rare to hang out with townies. Undergrads stick to Rugby Road and the Corner.

Another UVa alum chiming in. My friends and I went to the downtown mall all the time b/c we preferred a more eclectic and international atmosphere v. the southern preppy scene of Rugby Road and The Corner.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok so I'm a corporate lawyer so only know a little about criminal law from school. If JM's lawyer knows where he is, doesn't his lawyer have to tell police? The crime fraud exception to the attorney client privilege?

His lawyer doesn't know where he is.

I think his lawyer is allowed to break the privilege if it is about something that would be of great bodily harm to others. This guy might be dangerous but not in the sense that he would abduct and kill someone.

[Anonymous]

Here's the timeline. The text was BEFORE she met Matthews.

http://www.c-ville.com/hannah-graham-tracking-investigation-far/#.VCMss-0795k

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's a little weird that she would go have a drink with this guy. When I was 18 if a 32 year old stranger asked me to have a drink in a bar I would have said no thank you. Anyone else think it's strange ?

No it's not. I liked older guys in my early 20s. They usually had fun hobbies, interesting occupations, and treated me with admiration that I enjoyed ( of course they just wanted a piece of ass but I was too young to realize it).

This is weird you know.

How is it weird? All I wanted to say is that some college girls are flattered by attention from older men. But whatever, let's not derail the thread.

Red flags for creepy older men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think his lawyer said "you are looking at 30 years ..." and he fled.

Nope, he couldn't have said that. Former criminal defense lawyer who has contributed to this thread. At your initial meeting with a client you can't possible say what they are looking at without having seen the evidence, not to mention he hadn't been charged yet. Its possible that he said something that set him off, but I doubt it. He wouldn't have been able to say anything at that point except keep your mouth shut.

He did not say it like "30 years is your sentence..." He said it like "... you did what? " and the guy figured it out himself. Everyone knows what happens after a conviction..

Please. You have no idea what you are talking about. He knew exactly what he was facing, thats WHY he went to ask for a lawyer. And I can guarantee they didn't have a conversation about what he did or didn't do. Thats not how it works at that initial meeting. Plus I think it was a phone call, not a meeting.

I know exactly what I am talking about. Use your imagination.

[Anonymous]

^^ I mean your brain. You are no lawyer if you do not know how to talk between the lines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think his lawyer said "you are looking at 30 years ..." and he fled.

Nope, he couldn't have said that. Former criminal defense lawyer who has contributed to this thread. At your initial meeting with a client you can't possible say what they are looking at without having seen the evidence, not to mention he hadn't been charged yet. Its possible that he said something that set him off, but I doubt it. He wouldn't have been able to say anything at that point except keep your mouth shut.

He did not say it like "30 years is your sentence..." He said it like "... you did what? " and the guy figured it out himself. Everyone knows what happens after a conviction..

Please. You have no idea what you are talking about. He knew exactly what he was facing, thats WHY he went to ask for a lawyer. And I can guarantee they didn't have a conversation about what he did or didn't do. Thats not how it works at that initial meeting. Plus I think it was a phone call, not a meeting.

I know exactly what I am talking about. Use your imagination.

The fact is none of us know the details. There's a lot of conjecture on this thread - but that is all it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^ I mean your brain. You are no lawyer if you do not know how to talk between the lines.

What are you talking about? I'f I'm going to defend my client my first concern is what evidence do they have, not what my client says. Thats criminal defense work 101. At your first meeting with your client the one thing you convey is to keep your mouth -- don't talk to the police about the case, don't talk to family or friends who could be called in to testify against you and don't talk to me. The reason for the last part is that I don;t want to hear a story that is going to be contradicted by the evidence and one that can't have an informed conversation about. I want to know exactly what they have on my client, and share that info with him, before we talk substance. And for damn sure I'm not going to have any kind of substantive conversation with him while he's standing in a police station. The only thing I will say is to be quiet, let me have any conversations with law enforcement. When we know more, we'll talk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ I mean your brain. You are no lawyer if you do not know how to talk between the lines.

What are you talking about? I'f I'm going to defend my client my first concern is what evidence do they have, not what my client says. Thats criminal defense work 101. At your first meeting with your client the one thing you convey is to keep your mouth -- don't talk to the police about the case, don't talk to family or friends who could be called in to testify against you and don't talk to me. The reason for the last part is that I don;t want to hear a story that is going to be contradicted by the evidence and one that can't have an informed conversation about. I want to know exactly what they have on my client, and share that info with him, before we talk substance. And for damn sure I'm not going to have any kind of substantive conversation with him while he's standing in a police station. The only thing I will say is to be quiet, let me have any conversations with law enforcement. When we know more, we'll talk.

this is true!

[Anonymous]

This downtown mall sounds like a weird place.

[Anonymous]

And no criminal defense lawyer is going to say "you did what ??" First of all, because they aren't having a conversation with their client about what he did or didn't do while he's standing in the police station, and second of all because we've seen it all and we aren't going to get excited.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's a little weird that she would go have a drink with this guy. When I was 18 if a 32 year old stranger asked me to have a drink in a bar I would have said no thank you. Anyone else think it's strange ?

I disagree. I dated only older men at that age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok so I'm a corporate lawyer so only know a little about criminal law from school. If JM's lawyer knows where he is, doesn't his lawyer have to tell police? The crime fraud exception to the attorney client privilege?

His lawyer doesn't know where he is.

I think his lawyer is allowed to break the privilege if it is about something that would be of great bodily harm to others. This guy might be dangerous but not in the sense that he would abduct and kill someone.

But that's exactly what he's Wanted for.