Friday's "snow?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Selecting snow days like they're employee perks is a terrible idea. The purpose of snow days is not leisurely breakfasts.

That PP is saying it’s better to err on the side of caution. What’s the problem?

Her reason for wanting a delay or closure wasn't safety. She said she wanted time for breakfast and to potentially catch up on other work:

We, and most students and families appreciate erring on the side of caution. We get to sit down while we drink our coffee. We get to catch up on some work. We get to have breakfast with our families, without feeling like we’re rushing every single morning.

She also said she’s come in to work after a miscarriage the day before. Basically that she only took time off for the death of a sibling. So I’m not getting the sense that this is someone who just wants to linger over breakfast while the roads are totally clear.

At any rate, there should have been a delay based on the road conditions.

A previous miscarriage is obviously horrible, but I don't see how that's relevant to road conditions yesterday. Which she acknowledged were OK and didn't mention when describing her reasons for wanted a delay or closure.

It’s relevant to her work ethic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Selecting snow days like they're employee perks is a terrible idea. The purpose of snow days is not leisurely breakfasts.

That PP is saying it’s better to err on the side of caution. What’s the problem?

Her reason for wanting a delay or closure wasn't safety. She said she wanted time for breakfast and to potentially catch up on other work:

We, and most students and families appreciate erring on the side of caution. We get to sit down while we drink our coffee. We get to catch up on some work. We get to have breakfast with our families, without feeling like we’re rushing every single morning.

DP. She literally wrote “erring on the side of caution.”

She’d rather work from home that day, perhaps even (gasp) casually drinking a cup of coffee, than driving on hazardous roads. Sure, she acknowledges she got in okay, but I’m guessing this is more about the principle than a particular day.

I don’t find anything to disagree with here.

I'm sure you don't. I think everyone knows most people (of all ages) that hope for delays or cancellations more interested in time off rather than improved road conditions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Selecting snow days like they're employee perks is a terrible idea. The purpose of snow days is not leisurely breakfasts.

That PP is saying it’s better to err on the side of caution. What’s the problem?

Her reason for wanting a delay or closure wasn't safety. She said she wanted time for breakfast and to potentially catch up on other work:

We, and most students and families appreciate erring on the side of caution. We get to sit down while we drink our coffee. We get to catch up on some work. We get to have breakfast with our families, without feeling like we’re rushing every single morning.

She also said she’s come in to work after a miscarriage the day before. Basically that she only took time off for the death of a sibling. So I’m not getting the sense that this is someone who just wants to linger over breakfast while the roads are totally clear.

At any rate, there should have been a delay based on the road conditions.

A previous miscarriage is obviously horrible, but I don't see how that's relevant to road conditions yesterday. Which she acknowledged were OK and didn't mention when describing her reasons for wanted a delay or closure.

I’m a teacher. Many of us rarely take off because it’s harder to take leave than to show up. I’ve gone to work many times when I had absolutely no business being there. Sometimes it was by choice (my lesson plans didn’t translate to sub work) and sometimes by necessity (the school had no subs and my colleagues were too busy to cover).

Mentioning these details (like the PP’s miscarriage) supports the argument that teachers aren’t lazy employees simply looking for a free day at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Selecting snow days like they're employee perks is a terrible idea. The purpose of snow days is not leisurely breakfasts.

That PP is saying it’s better to err on the side of caution. What’s the problem?

Her reason for wanting a delay or closure wasn't safety. She said she wanted time for breakfast and to potentially catch up on other work:

We, and most students and families appreciate erring on the side of caution. We get to sit down while we drink our coffee. We get to catch up on some work. We get to have breakfast with our families, without feeling like we’re rushing every single morning.

DP. She literally wrote “erring on the side of caution.”

She’d rather work from home that day, perhaps even (gasp) casually drinking a cup of coffee, than driving on hazardous roads. Sure, she acknowledges she got in okay, but I’m guessing this is more about the principle than a particular day.

I don’t find anything to disagree with here.

I'm sure you don't. I think everyone knows most people (of all ages) that hope for delays or cancellations more interested in time off rather than improved road conditions.

I don’t understand your point.

Either way: it’s not “time off” if you are working from home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Selecting snow days like they're employee perks is a terrible idea. The purpose of snow days is not leisurely breakfasts.

That PP is saying it’s better to err on the side of caution. What’s the problem?

Her reason for wanting a delay or closure wasn't safety. She said she wanted time for breakfast and to potentially catch up on other work:

We, and most students and families appreciate erring on the side of caution. We get to sit down while we drink our coffee. We get to catch up on some work. We get to have breakfast with our families, without feeling like we’re rushing every single morning.

She also said she’s come in to work after a miscarriage the day before. Basically that she only took time off for the death of a sibling. So I’m not getting the sense that this is someone who just wants to linger over breakfast while the roads are totally clear.

At any rate, there should have been a delay based on the road conditions.

A previous miscarriage is obviously horrible, but I don't see how that's relevant to road conditions yesterday. Which she acknowledged were OK and didn't mention when describing her reasons for wanted a delay or closure.

It’s relevant to her work ethic.

I don't think anyone was questioning her work ethic or the hard work of other MCPS employees. Yes, hard workers like time off, too. But that isn't reason to create an unscheduled break.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Selecting snow days like they're employee perks is a terrible idea. The purpose of snow days is not leisurely breakfasts.

That PP is saying it’s better to err on the side of caution. What’s the problem?

Her reason for wanting a delay or closure wasn't safety. She said she wanted time for breakfast and to potentially catch up on other work:

We, and most students and families appreciate erring on the side of caution. We get to sit down while we drink our coffee. We get to catch up on some work. We get to have breakfast with our families, without feeling like we’re rushing every single morning.

She also said she’s come in to work after a miscarriage the day before. Basically that she only took time off for the death of a sibling. So I’m not getting the sense that this is someone who just wants to linger over breakfast while the roads are totally clear.

At any rate, there should have been a delay based on the road conditions.

A previous miscarriage is obviously horrible, but I don't see how that's relevant to road conditions yesterday. Which she acknowledged were OK and didn't mention when describing her reasons for wanted a delay or closure.

I’m a teacher. Many of us rarely take off because it’s harder to take leave than to show up. I’ve gone to work many times when I had absolutely no business being there. Sometimes it was by choice (my lesson plans didn’t translate to sub work) and sometimes by necessity (the school had no subs and my colleagues were too busy to cover).

Mentioning these details (like the PP’s miscarriage) supports the argument that teachers aren’t lazy employees simply looking for a free day at home.

Who called anyone lazy?

Everything you're saying is just reinforcing that this was more about overworked employees believing they were entitled to the time off from teaching because of everything they do the rest of the year.

I agree teachers are overworked. But that is separate from when to close schools. It is ridiculous to mix those issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Selecting snow days like they're employee perks is a terrible idea. The purpose of snow days is not leisurely breakfasts.

That PP is saying it’s better to err on the side of caution. What’s the problem?

Her reason for wanting a delay or closure wasn't safety. She said she wanted time for breakfast and to potentially catch up on other work:

We, and most students and families appreciate erring on the side of caution. We get to sit down while we drink our coffee. We get to catch up on some work. We get to have breakfast with our families, without feeling like we’re rushing every single morning.

She also said she’s come in to work after a miscarriage the day before. Basically that she only took time off for the death of a sibling. So I’m not getting the sense that this is someone who just wants to linger over breakfast while the roads are totally clear.

At any rate, there should have been a delay based on the road conditions.

A previous miscarriage is obviously horrible, but I don't see how that's relevant to road conditions yesterday. Which she acknowledged were OK and didn't mention when describing her reasons for wanted a delay or closure.

It’s relevant to her work ethic.

I don't think anyone was questioning her work ethic or the hard work of other MCPS employees. Yes, hard workers like time off, too. But that isn't reason to create an unscheduled break.

A weather situation like Friday’s deserved a delay. Why would it have been scheduled? The earlier PP was simply saying to *err on the side of caution* on days like Friday, and I agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Selecting snow days like they're employee perks is a terrible idea. The purpose of snow days is not leisurely breakfasts.

That PP is saying it’s better to err on the side of caution. What’s the problem?

Her reason for wanting a delay or closure wasn't safety. She said she wanted time for breakfast and to potentially catch up on other work:

We, and most students and families appreciate erring on the side of caution. We get to sit down while we drink our coffee. We get to catch up on some work. We get to have breakfast with our families, without feeling like we’re rushing every single morning.

DP. She literally wrote “erring on the side of caution.”

She’d rather work from home that day, perhaps even (gasp) casually drinking a cup of coffee, than driving on hazardous roads. Sure, she acknowledges she got in okay, but I’m guessing this is more about the principle than a particular day.

I don’t find anything to disagree with here.

I'm sure you don't. I think everyone knows most people (of all ages) that hope for delays or cancellations more interested in time off rather than improved road conditions.

I don’t understand your point.

Either way: it’s not “time off” if you are working from home.

It is if it reduces the total time you will work. This is a pretty basic part of salaried employees, particularly when some of your working hours are flexible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Selecting snow days like they're employee perks is a terrible idea. The purpose of snow days is not leisurely breakfasts.

That PP is saying it’s better to err on the side of caution. What’s the problem?

Her reason for wanting a delay or closure wasn't safety. She said she wanted time for breakfast and to potentially catch up on other work:

We, and most students and families appreciate erring on the side of caution. We get to sit down while we drink our coffee. We get to catch up on some work. We get to have breakfast with our families, without feeling like we’re rushing every single morning.

She also said she’s come in to work after a miscarriage the day before. Basically that she only took time off for the death of a sibling. So I’m not getting the sense that this is someone who just wants to linger over breakfast while the roads are totally clear.

At any rate, there should have been a delay based on the road conditions.

A previous miscarriage is obviously horrible, but I don't see how that's relevant to road conditions yesterday. Which she acknowledged were OK and didn't mention when describing her reasons for wanted a delay or closure.

It’s relevant to her work ethic.

I don't think anyone was questioning her work ethic or the hard work of other MCPS employees. Yes, hard workers like time off, too. But that isn't reason to create an unscheduled break.

A weather situation like Friday’s deserved a delay. Why would it have been scheduled? The earlier PP was simply saying to *err on the side of caution* on days like Friday, and I agree.

Read the beginning of her message. She acknowledged the roads were OK. That wasn't why she wanted the delay or closure. She thought she was entitled to the time because of the weather, but her motivations were not safety-related. She wanted time off from class to catch up on work and enjoy breakfast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Selecting snow days like they're employee perks is a terrible idea. The purpose of snow days is not leisurely breakfasts.

That PP is saying it’s better to err on the side of caution. What’s the problem?

Her reason for wanting a delay or closure wasn't safety. She said she wanted time for breakfast and to potentially catch up on other work:

We, and most students and families appreciate erring on the side of caution. We get to sit down while we drink our coffee. We get to catch up on some work. We get to have breakfast with our families, without feeling like we’re rushing every single morning.

She also said she’s come in to work after a miscarriage the day before. Basically that she only took time off for the death of a sibling. So I’m not getting the sense that this is someone who just wants to linger over breakfast while the roads are totally clear.

At any rate, there should have been a delay based on the road conditions.

A previous miscarriage is obviously horrible, but I don't see how that's relevant to road conditions yesterday. Which she acknowledged were OK and didn't mention when describing her reasons for wanted a delay or closure.

It’s relevant to her work ethic.

I don't think anyone was questioning her work ethic or the hard work of other MCPS employees. Yes, hard workers like time off, too. But that isn't reason to create an unscheduled break.

A weather situation like Friday’s deserved a delay. Why would it have been scheduled? The earlier PP was simply saying to *err on the side of caution* on days like Friday, and I agree.

Read the beginning of her message. She acknowledged the roads were OK. That wasn't why she wanted the delay or closure. She thought she was entitled to the time because of the weather, but her motivations were not safety-related. She wanted time off from class to catch up on work and enjoy breakfast.

Did she say that road conditions were fine? Or did she say that she made it to work? Road conditions were not fine.

[Anonymous]

MCPS should just be consistent. Err on the side of caution. Period. Sometimes a call will be a false positive. It's worth it when the potential for ACTUAL physical harm is considered.

Decades ago MCPS did something stupid like Friday and a teacher was killed in a car accident driving to school. Will it really take something like that again for people to actually care about safety?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Selecting snow days like they're employee perks is a terrible idea. The purpose of snow days is not leisurely breakfasts.

That PP is saying it’s better to err on the side of caution. What’s the problem?

Her reason for wanting a delay or closure wasn't safety. She said she wanted time for breakfast and to potentially catch up on other work:

We, and most students and families appreciate erring on the side of caution. We get to sit down while we drink our coffee. We get to catch up on some work. We get to have breakfast with our families, without feeling like we’re rushing every single morning.

She also said she’s come in to work after a miscarriage the day before. Basically that she only took time off for the death of a sibling. So I’m not getting the sense that this is someone who just wants to linger over breakfast while the roads are totally clear.

At any rate, there should have been a delay based on the road conditions.

A previous miscarriage is obviously horrible, but I don't see how that's relevant to road conditions yesterday. Which she acknowledged were OK and didn't mention when describing her reasons for wanted a delay or closure.

It’s relevant to her work ethic.

I don't think anyone was questioning her work ethic or the hard work of other MCPS employees. Yes, hard workers like time off, too. But that isn't reason to create an unscheduled break.

A weather situation like Friday’s deserved a delay. Why would it have been scheduled? The earlier PP was simply saying to *err on the side of caution* on days like Friday, and I agree.

Read the beginning of her message. She acknowledged the roads were OK. That wasn't why she wanted the delay or closure. She thought she was entitled to the time because of the weather, but her motivations were not safety-related. She wanted time off from class to catch up on work and enjoy breakfast.

There’s no sense of entitlement anywhere in that teacher’s post. She simply wants to err on the side of caution. Sure, that means she can work from home and eat breakfast. (I caught you managed to make that a bad thing somehow… like she shouldn’t desire a simple pleasure like the occasional breakfast.)

Clearly you aren’t willing to extend the simple grace she asked for. Fine. Several of us here are. Teacher PP, I acknowledge your sense of frustration over Friday’s email. Thank you for what you do.

[Anonymous]

You will ALWAYS have the ppl with too much time on their hands creating "causes" to hate on about. Nobody will ever please them.

Just err on the side of safety.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Selecting snow days like they're employee perks is a terrible idea. The purpose of snow days is not leisurely breakfasts.

That PP is saying it’s better to err on the side of caution. What’s the problem?

Her reason for wanting a delay or closure wasn't safety. She said she wanted time for breakfast and to potentially catch up on other work:

We, and most students and families appreciate erring on the side of caution. We get to sit down while we drink our coffee. We get to catch up on some work. We get to have breakfast with our families, without feeling like we’re rushing every single morning.

She also said she’s come in to work after a miscarriage the day before. Basically that she only took time off for the death of a sibling. So I’m not getting the sense that this is someone who just wants to linger over breakfast while the roads are totally clear.

At any rate, there should have been a delay based on the road conditions.

A previous miscarriage is obviously horrible, but I don't see how that's relevant to road conditions yesterday. Which she acknowledged were OK and didn't mention when describing her reasons for wanted a delay or closure.

It’s relevant to her work ethic.

I don't think anyone was questioning her work ethic or the hard work of other MCPS employees. Yes, hard workers like time off, too. But that isn't reason to create an unscheduled break.

A weather situation like Friday’s deserved a delay. Why would it have been scheduled? The earlier PP was simply saying to *err on the side of caution* on days like Friday, and I agree.

Read the beginning of her message. She acknowledged the roads were OK. That wasn't why she wanted the delay or closure. She thought she was entitled to the time because of the weather, but her motivations were not safety-related. She wanted time off from class to catch up on work and enjoy breakfast.

Did she say that road conditions were fine? Or did she say that she made it to work? Road conditions were not fine.

"I’m an MCPS employee and parent of a kid in MS and HS. Did I make it to work by 7:30 in my Honda Civic? Yes. Did the vast majority of students and staff make it to work even if they were late? Yes. The conditions were drivable."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCPS should just be consistent. Err on the side of caution. Period. Sometimes a call will be a false positive. It's worth it when the potential for ACTUAL physical harm is considered.

Decades ago MCPS did something stupid like Friday and a teacher was killed in a car accident driving to school. Will it really take something like that again for people to actually care about safety?

We've had students and staff die going to/from school when there isn't snow. So when are we able to hold classes?