MAGA teen bused in from a Catholic school harasses Indigenous People's marcher. Vile.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds the black Israelites were the vile actors.

I've posted before, and I grew up in and live in the area where the school is. I've readthis boy's account. Here's my ongoing problem, and why even as I Catholic there is no way I would pay for the "privilege" of sendi g my kid to this school.

Most attendees of this school are white. Many are extremely wealthy. Our area is heavily segregated by both race/ethnicity and class. These kids grow up in a bubble of white privilege, as their parents and grandparents before them. They have very little life experience with people who aren't like them. Even their adult chaperones are utterly ill-equipped to know how to handle encounters with the likes of the Black Hebrew Israelites, which anyone who has ever lived in a diverse city ( I have) would know. I believe the kid when he says the chaperone gave them permission to do their school chants - an utterly ignorant way to deal with people like the BHI. People who have lived in cities would know that you ignore crazy and walk away. No doubt these kids and the adults with them think most black people are like BHI, because they have almost zero experience to the contrary.

So they are supposed to allow themselves to be driven away from a national monument on their one chance to see it because a few BHI cultists are screaming abuse at them for no reason? That's totally unreasonable. And what grounds do you have to say that these people believe that "most black people are like BHI", aside from just projecting your own ungrounded racial prejudices and stereotypes at these young people?

Yes. Yes. Yes.

The adults are supposed to have a clue. These kids are mainly rich - I know, I live here. They can go back anytime - the monuments aren't going anywhere and 16 yo boys don't give a fig about them anyway. Give me a big fat break.

Good lord you sound like an imbecile. Who are you to randomly diminish the rights of one group of people over another?

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The Catholic Church needs to rethink the idea of using teenagers to advance a political position.

In fact, they might rethink all of their political activism. Other churches should do the same. It's fine to have moral positions, but this kind of activism is not in the interest of the either the church or the government. Maybe they are starting to get it.

Area poster here. Yes, this is why I refuse to send my kid to Catholic HS, especially around here. They already had my grade schooler praying the rosary for life at school last week - totally not cool IMO since he is very young amnd rightfully has no opinions - informed or otherwise - on reproductive issues. Nor does the school teach a consistent life ethic curriculum. I have to do that at home and will be keeping my kid home from now on when they do these kind of politically minded stunts during school hours.

So you send your kid to Catholic school and are surprised the schools are pro life?

Of course not. I am not stupid, thank you very much. But I object to have 5yo pray the rosary over abortion. Teaching the theology does not equal political indoctrination of kids at this age. We deal with it at home, where it belongs.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds the black Israelites were the vile actors.

I've posted before, and I grew up in and live in the area where the school is. I've readthis boy's account. Here's my ongoing problem, and why even as I Catholic there is no way I would pay for the "privilege" of sendi g my kid to this school.

Most attendees of this school are white. Many are extremely wealthy. Our area is heavily segregated by both race/ethnicity and class. These kids grow up in a bubble of white privilege, as their parents and grandparents before them. They have very little life experience with people who aren't like them. Even their adult chaperones are utterly ill-equipped to know how to handle encounters with the likes of the Black Hebrew Israelites, which anyone who has ever lived in a diverse city ( I have) would know. I believe the kid when he says the chaperone gave them permission to do their school chants - an utterly ignorant way to deal with people like the BHI. People who have lived in cities would know that you ignore crazy and walk away. No doubt these kids and the adults with them think most black people are like BHI, because they have almost zero experience to the contrary.

So they are supposed to allow themselves to be driven away from a national monument on their one chance to see it because a few BHI cultists are screaming abuse at them for no reason? That's totally unreasonable. And what grounds do you have to say that these people believe that "most black people are like BHI", aside from just projecting your own ungrounded racial prejudices and stereotypes at these young people?

Yes. Yes. Yes.

The adults are supposed to have a clue. These kids are mainly rich - I know, I live here. They can go back anytime - the monuments aren't going anywhere and 16 yo boys don't give a fig about them anyway. Give me a big fat break.

Good lord you sound like an imbecile. Who are you to randomly diminish the rights of one group of people over another?

It's called common sense. You call me an imbecile, but you sound every bit the entitled brat, just like these kids. And we wonder why this incident played out like it did?

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62 pages already? MAGAts are so easily triggered. They should devote more of their energies to raising their kids better.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we so worried about these white boys when so many other injustices get ignored?

I'm not so much worried about the boys. But I feel I was completely misled by media. And by everyone who jumped on this story and shared it. The reality is much more complex and nuanced and people jumped to the worst interpretation because of the MAGA hats.

And this incident just gives fodder to those claiming #FAKE NEWS all the time.

I think the media needs to do a complete mea culpa and show that they might get it wrong but that they will retract when necessary.

Meh. Trump lied 8,000 times in the last two years. We should hold the President to higher standards than media outlets. And, yet, there are no consequences for Trump lying about the size of his inauguration crowds and every day thereafter. People who support Trump complaining about accuracy simply aren't arguing in good faith. People on the left taking seriously complaints from the right are just getting rolled. The media should police themselves and people on the left should talk among themselves as to how best to get and disseminate accurate information, but people on the right should simply be ignored. They lack all credibility.

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Anonymous wrote:For those on dcum who are geographically challenged, Covington is a suburb of Cincinnatti.

That’s the CinciTucky side.

Hardly the south yet the vast majority of those posting on here live in the bubble known as the dmv

Cincinnati and Covington are very much the South. They just happen to share a state with a bunch of northern communities.

[Anonymous]

Josh Marshall has a detailed take on the videos.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/making-sense-of-the-phillips-sandman-viral-video

The whole story is a good example of how we can react quickly to a zoomed in (both literally and metaphorically) video and miss a lot of what led up to it, as well as some key context. With that said, though, when you add all the context I’m not sure it’s all that different from what it looked like on the first go, despite some now saying new evidence and new videos changes everything.

Saturday night and into Sunday I watched numerous different videos of the encounter itself and what led up to it. So let me give you my impression of what happened as well as links to videos and accounts which can help you come to your own conclusions.

First, the initial videos could easily give the impression that Phillips (the man with the drum) was in the midst of marching in a protest when he was surrounded by a crowd of white teenagers in MAGA hats. That’s not what happened.

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Anonymous wrote:The black Israelites were AWFUL. That's what should be in the news

Nobody denies that. That has nothing with the teens mocking a Native American elderly man.

Who CHOSE to get in their face. Please include that part. It's important.

He didn't, he walked through their crowd. There were 100 of them, and 4 Native Americans. He was not a threat.

He was in no way a threat. But he walked right up to them, and got in their face, playing the drums. He was way too close in terms of personal space. It is hard to understand what he did as a gesture intended to calm things down.

It is completely inaccurate to say that the boys refused to get out of his way. And if you feel the boys were mocking his music, at least admit that he approached them.

Approach? Yes. "Got in their face?" Um, no. There were a handful of tribe members and a large crowd of boys. So, you are right he was no threat.
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The boy's reaction: stopped, staring at him, inches from his face, while his classmates were yelling, laughing, etc. You think that's a normal reaction? You'd be ok with that if someone on the street did that to you? Doubtful.

Who walked over to who?

Who was smirking and mocking the other? Phillips had every right to walk up those steps to complete his march. The lengths the MAGA folks will go to defend their bigotry continues to astound.

Nathan Phillips did not walk up the steps to complete his march.
Nathan Phillips walked around, ignoring the open steps, and then decided the best thing to do was push his way through a group of kids.

That IS NOT "walking up the steps to complete his march"
Nathan Phillips is deliberately ignoring his purported objective and seeking a confrontation.

Nathan Phillips was being an a@@^((#@, like the people in cars who deliberately drive through slush puddles to spray everyone waiting at the bus stop.

Exactly. Here is the full video that shows him clearly walking into the crowd when he could have chosen to walk to the side and up the steps, where there was plenty of room.

Begin watching at 1:12:14:

[Anonymous]

How did the Black Israelites force the boys to do a tomahawk chop?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Josh Marshall has a detailed take on the videos.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/making-sense-of-the-phillips-sandman-viral-video

The whole story is a good example of how we can react quickly to a zoomed in (both literally and metaphorically) video and miss a lot of what led up to it, as well as some key context. With that said, though, when you add all the context I’m not sure it’s all that different from what it looked like on the first go, despite some now saying new evidence and new videos changes everything.

Saturday night and into Sunday I watched numerous different videos of the encounter itself and what led up to it. So let me give you my impression of what happened as well as links to videos and accounts which can help you come to your own conclusions.

First, the initial videos could easily give the impression that Phillips (the man with the drum) was in the midst of marching in a protest when he was surrounded by a crowd of white teenagers in MAGA hats. That’s not what happened.

Always read Josh Marshall. Josh does allow that there is more context that is useful to know, but that it doesn't change the main accusations against the kids, illustrated in the video.

As this is happening, the kids surrounding the two are taunting Phillips and laughing and variously goofing off like high school guys do. The entire tableau is defined by the fact that Phillips, the Native American elder with a dark complexion, is surrounded by lily white teens probably half of whom are wearing MAGA caps. They’re all laughing, taunting and doing ‘tomahawk chops’ in response to Phillips. I’ve seen various people claiming in the light of the new videos that the kids might simply be milling around or laughing uncomfortably or even chanting in unison with Phillips’ drumming. That’s a stretch by any definition and the ‘tomahawk chop’ hand motions put any such claims to rest. It’s already a pretty riled up situation. But it’s crystal clear their reaction to Phillips is one of jeering and racial taunting.

The boy who was at the center of the confrontation on the other side of Phillips, Nick Sandman, later released a statement in which he claims he was “startled and confused” and attempting to defuse the situation by “remaining motionless and calm.” He says he was saying a “silent prayer” in the viral video in hopes that the situation would not get out of hand.

I’m sure there was some element of being startled or even confused. Few of us are ever thinking only one thing in a chaotic situation. But I see no way to reconcile Sandman’s claims with what’s actually on the video.

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I’ve posted on this thread before. One of my primary questions has been where the high school chaperones were and why they did not intervene.

Now it turns out that chaperones were, indeed, present. Instead of simply moving the group away from the small contingent of wacky protesters (African Israelites or Westboro Baptist - all the same, all crazy, and reasonable people know not to engage), they allowed school chants to escalate the situation. They allowed these boys to wear MAGA hats (inflammatory political symbols) out in public at a school-organized event. They saw a student engaged in a stare-down with an adult while other students cheered and laughed. They watched another student engage in a profanity-laden debate with a different adult. No matter what side someone might be on, how could any reasonable adult chaperone allow such chaos to build?

I saw this comment elsewhere and it rings true: The adult chaperones saw nothing wrong with the boys’ behavior. The MAGA hats, the stare-down, the jeering, the profanity, the escalating machismo. It was all OK because - to them - it was an acceptable response. All we need to do is look at MAGA-Boy’s smirk. He embodies this dangerous sentiment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Josh Marshall has a detailed take on the videos.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/making-sense-of-the-phillips-sandman-viral-video

The whole story is a good example of how we can react quickly to a zoomed in (both literally and metaphorically) video and miss a lot of what led up to it, as well as some key context. With that said, though, when you add all the context I’m not sure it’s all that different from what it looked like on the first go, despite some now saying new evidence and new videos changes everything.

Saturday night and into Sunday I watched numerous different videos of the encounter itself and what led up to it. So let me give you my impression of what happened as well as links to videos and accounts which can help you come to your own conclusions.

First, the initial videos could easily give the impression that Phillips (the man with the drum) was in the midst of marching in a protest when he was surrounded by a crowd of white teenagers in MAGA hats. That’s not what happened.

I'm a poster getting lambasted for holding an alternative opinion based on the subsequent videos showing the full scope.

My children and I completely agreed with your assessment. Thank you for posting.

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Anonymous wrote:How did the Black Israelites force the boys to do a tomahawk chop?!

You really are wasting your time here. Condemn the Black Israelites for inciting this situation and there might be some basis to treat anything you say seriously.

I grew up in an area far more cosmopolitan than suburban Cincinnati and never met a Native American until I was in college. He was a campus activist and not friendly. On the other hand, kids do see fans like the Florida State Seminoles doing the tomahawk chop all the time.

Please go to Tallahassee and get them all to change their school's name and traditions, and then you can come back and try to pretend a tomahawk chop is like the most racist thing that you've ever seen and that it deserves singling out a bunch of kids for national condemnation.

[Anonymous]

This all started with a field trip to legislate grown women’s bodies.

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Anonymous wrote:How did the Black Israelites force the boys to do a tomahawk chop?!

Um, none of the videos show anything of the sort.

Is there some video, and time in the video, where that ACTUALLY HAPPENED?

Is that derived from Nathan Phillips'?

-Phillips told the Detroit Free Press that he had seen the white Catholic students “attacking these four black individuals.”
“There was that moment when I realized I’ve put myself between beast and prey,” he told the newspaper. “These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey, and I stood in between them and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that.”-

because his account is a lie designed to get media coverage.

The video confirms that the Catholic kids just stood there while the Black Hebrew Israelites hurled insults like "crackers, fag%(%@ ts, motherf&#*#$@".

Once Phillips realized that the Catholic kids were being non-violent, THEN he decides to walk around and march straight through the group of Catholic kids.