DC parents leave kids in car for wine tasting

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Doubt you'd feel this way if they were poor, or black!

Why do people keep saying this? NP here who is also glad the children are not in foster care, and no, I would not feel differently if the family were poor or black. I don't think children should be removed uless there is an immediate danger to their safety. I don't think that is the case here.

Different PP. I've never said that, but I understand the sentiment.

While you may think that way, the majority of people, if they had heard that poor black parents had done something completely irresponsible and negligent like this for a purely optional and unnecessary reason, would be ready to take the kids away and throw the book at them.

Say you had a black couple who had two kids. One parent works part-time at a minimum wage job and the other is a stay-at-home parent collecting public money and they struggle to get by. They can't afford a sitter, but they decide to go to a party at a friend's house Friday night, leave their kids in an old jalopy of a car out on the street while they went in, had a few beers and sat around socializing with friends. They fully intended to check on the kids every 10-15 minutes, but were talking and forgot and it was an hour before they went out to check on the kids. In the meantime, one of the neighbors sees this car sitting there with two kids, one of whom has no shoes on, the other who is crying and this neighbor opts to call 911 and the police come. One parent comes out to check on the kids and finds the police at his car about to break in the window and the parent asks what the problem is.

You're telling me that you think that the public is going to be supportive and want these parents to get their children back from CPS? You may think so, but I bet that 90% of the public will only wonder why it took so long to take the kids out of such a negligent household and that CPS wasn't doing their best to protect these children.

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Anonymous wrote:
Doubt you'd feel this way if they were poor, or black!

Why do people keep saying this? NP here who is also glad the children are not in foster care, and no, I would not feel differently if the family were poor or black. I don't think children should be removed uless there is an immediate danger to their safety. I don't think that is the case here.

Different PP. I've never said that, but I understand the sentiment.

While you may think that way, the majority of people, if they had heard that poor black parents had done something completely irresponsible and negligent like this for a purely optional and unnecessary reason, would be ready to take the kids away and throw the book at them.

Say you had a black couple who had two kids. One parent works part-time at a minimum wage job and the other is a stay-at-home parent collecting public money and they struggle to get by. They can't afford a sitter, but they decide to go to a party at a friend's house Friday night, leave their kids in an old jalopy of a car out on the street while they went in, had a few beers and sat around socializing with friends. They fully intended to check on the kids every 10-15 minutes, but were talking and forgot and it was an hour before they went out to check on the kids. In the meantime, one of the neighbors sees this car sitting there with two kids, one of whom has no shoes on, the other who is crying and this neighbor opts to call 911 and the police come. One parent comes out to check on the kids and finds the police at his car about to break in the window and the parent asks what the problem is.

You're telling me that you think that the public is going to be supportive and want these parents to get their children back from CPS? You may think so, but I bet that 90% of the public will only wonder why it took so long to take the kids out of such a negligent household and that CPS wasn't doing their best to protect these children.

There's a difference between "being supportive" and wanting kids to be placed in foster care. Obviously no one is "supportive" of anyone, rich or poor, neglecting their kids. But anyone who cheers when a child is placed in foster care is either being glib or is simply ignorant.

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Reminds me - what happend to the mother, who was gambling at Arundell Mills with a child left in a car? She was black and gambling. They are white and wine tasting. The weather was not freezing, though. But didn't have an open iPhone cal..
Will be interesting to compare outcomes.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminds me - what happend to the mother, who was gambling at Arundell Mills with a child left in a car? She was black and gambling. They are white and wine tasting. The weather was not freezing, though. But didn't have an open iPhone cal..
Will be interesting to compare outcomes.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/01/alicia-denice-brown-arrested-on-child-abuse-charges-98740.html

It's too soon to know what will become of her as the event only happens 5 weeks ago. But the child was taken away by CPS and ultimately released to her grandmother.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reminds me - what happend to the mother, who was gambling at Arundell Mills with a child left in a car? She was black and gambling. They are white and wine tasting. The weather was not freezing, though. But didn't have an open iPhone cal..
Will be interesting to compare outcomes.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/01/alicia-denice-brown-arrested-on-child-abuse-charges-98740.html

It's too soon to know what will become of her as the event only happens 5 weeks ago. But the child was taken away by CPS and ultimately released to her grandmother.

No, it actually happened a year and 5 weeks ago.

Just googled the outcome - she served 5 days. Her daughter was in the car for 8 hours. In December.
So it actually looks quite good for the wine tasting couple. As long as they change their names as soon as it is over

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/05/01/woman-who-left-child-in-car-at-maryland-live-casino-will-spend-5-days-in-jail/

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http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/05/01/woman-who-left-child-in-car-at-maryland-live-casino-will-spend-5-days-in-jail/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reminds me - what happend to the mother, who was gambling at Arundell Mills with a child left in a car? She was black and gambling. They are white and wine tasting. The weather was not freezing, though. But didn't have an open iPhone cal..
Will be interesting to compare outcomes.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/01/alicia-denice-brown-arrested-on-child-abuse-charges-98740.html

It's too soon to know what will become of her as the event only happens 5 weeks ago. But the child was taken away by CPS and ultimately released to her grandmother.

No, it actually happened a year and 5 weeks ago.

Just googled the outcome - she served 5 days. Her daughter was in the car for 8 hours. In December.
So it actually looks quite good for the wine tasting couple. As long as they change their names as soon as it is over

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/05/01/woman-who-left-child-in-car-at-maryland-live-casino-will-spend-5-days-in-jail/

Oops. PP who posted and clearly read too quickly not to notice 2014. *sigh* Thanks for the correction...and the update.

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Anonymous wrote:Different poster here, also saw her this week and they have the kids (don't want to say the context to out myself.) she looked like shit and seemed pretty shaken up by it. Daughter seemed clingier than usual but otherwise fine.

Guessing they have some good lawyers.

Good. I'm a poster that thought kids shouldn't bee separated with parents over this.

Doubt you'd feel this way if they were poor, or black!

I'd feel the same if Everything but race were the same. If they were public housing food stamps poor yes I would have a different reaction. Usually you don't end up poor in the DC area or the US if you really try hard. Try getting a high school degree, try a job with long hours, try an unpopular job, try a second job. Don't have kids before you can sustain yourself and have healthy savings. If this happened to a different set of parents with different backgrounds wouldn't you be more skeptical too? Of course being poor in your early 40s signals something (Bad financial judgment to start off).

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Anonymous wrote:http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/05/01/woman-who-left-child-in-car-at-maryland-live-casino-will-spend-5-days-in-jail/

Holy crap... 8 hrs in a car alone in December? No water no food no toilet No blankets?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/05/01/woman-who-left-child-in-car-at-maryland-live-casino-will-spend-5-days-in-jail/

Holy crap... 8 hrs in a car alone in December? No water no food no toilet No blankets?

The poor girl urinted in the car when the security guard found her (the car was parked in the casino's parking garage AFAIR) and last winter was much worse weather-wise..
And yep, served the total of 5 days out of suspended 3 year sentence.
But you know what the real black/white difference is between these two cases? The amount of coverage (and consequently the "internet trail" both cases generated..) if you look up Alicia Brown and Maryland Casino you get a handful of local reports.. And it's been more than a year and she was sentenced and so on...
Our wine-tasting couple got already several hundred articles from London to India to Japan...
So there are certain advantages of being irresponsible black parent after all

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Anonymous wrote:So I apparently know this couple. One of my husbands friends. fWIW they always seemed very responsible. My mind is blown right now.

Oh! Tell us more

They are just boring normal people. My husband sees him a bunch- same line of work. I've only met her a few times. Just standard DC nerds. He and DH talked tonight, he says they have the kids? I wasn't following this thread but as soon as DH started to tell me I said 'omg yes I know- there is a 50 page DCUM thread!' I really can't believe they did this. They have never seemed like boozers to me. Really kind of boring people. Never in a million years would I think they'd do this.

They have the kids? Seriously?

DH swears he was told this. He was also blindsighted and was just calling to talk about something else. Neither of us were following the story until now. He could have heard wrong

So is the FB link posted correct? I know the mom and kids on that page but no one has confirmed that is definitely the mother.

Yes!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/05/01/woman-who-left-child-in-car-at-maryland-live-casino-will-spend-5-days-in-jail/

Holy crap... 8 hrs in a car alone in December? No water no food no toilet No blankets?

OMG. Awful!! 8 hours to a kid would seem like an eternity. Not knowing what happened to her mother.

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The article doesn't say if she got her daughter back, or did I just miss it somehow?

I wonder if there was less outcry over the CasinoLive incident because it was a result of state subsidized gambling. It looks really bad for the state of MD to be contributing to the abuse and neglect of children by promoting gambling. IMHO, that is.

I would take this unpopular opinion to that other thread, but it is too many pages to read through the whole thing!

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There was also less outcry because it's no news that abuse is bound to happen to the kids of poor, uneducated parents. Now, if parents from this thread went to a casino, everyone would be like: wow, they seemed so nice and smart and rich

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Anonymous wrote:There was also less outcry because it's no news that abuse is bound to happen to the kids of poor, uneducated parents. Now, if parents from this thread went to a casino, everyone would be like: wow, they seemed so nice and smart and rich

This white guy left kids in car in crystal city to gamble on machine. Bupkis on DCUM