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Anonymous wrote:From the long excerpt:
“ She loved racial diversity and the prospect of a “flat world,” but when these things threatened her son’s academic position, that love seemed to sour.”

If 18 out of 21 kids in the class are one group then it’s not very diverse.

18 out of 21 kids in the honors math class are one group. This is a perfect example of the thought process of a lot of white people. Diversity is great when the URMs are in the regular class or occupying a small handful of seats in the honors class. It's concerning when a non-white racial group starts dominating the highest level class and ousting white people from their rightful place at the top.

Cram schools for everyone who wants to be on the top track, sounds like a great idea.

Ugh. Supplemental classes are not the same as cram school. There's nothing wrong with doing an AoPS or RSM class, especially considering how poorly public schools teach math. Also, you don't get to control other people. Asian kids want to be on top and put in work to make it happen. White kids want to be on top, but the only work they want to do is complain about Asian strivers.

The lady in the article places a lot of value on having her kid in the top group and feels that her kid deserves to be there even when outperformed by a lot of other kids. For the lady in the article, there are two obvious solutions: Put your kid in supplemental math, or accept that your kid might not be in the top group. Unfortunately, there's also the 3rd solution: Leverage your white privilege to eliminate the top group altogether, so your less qualified white kid looks no worse than the more qualified Asian kids. This is happening across the country. It is not a good thing.

I'll go with option 3. Placement in public school classes shouldn't depend on the ability to supplement after school.

How about sports and musical instruments? We should not enroll the kids in any classes outside of the school system? What about their own interests? Why are we assume the kids in AoPS or RSM classes only because they want to be on top of the class....

If it's a class that goes on a transcript, absolutely

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Anonymous wrote:The toxic exists in everybody’s mind, if there is any of them.
You can enjoy study without considering winning competition.
Some other kids enjoys competition and decide to work hard. There is nothing wrong with it. No toxic.
Toxic comes when you think those diligent kids takes your opportunities away. Toxic is in your mind.

Go ahead and tell yourself that, but one day you may be honest with yourself.

PP was right that there’s a lot of projection. Resentful parents call other parents/kids “toxic” because they want their own kids to be on top without working as hard.

Or they fear for our (collective) children’s mental health. I’m perfectly fine with my kid not being at the top because they are older now and I’ve seen the toll this sort of approach has on many kids. My own kid has gotten therapy and is in a much better place (although admittedly, we recently got a crisis phone call about a B+ in a college class). Take whatever approach you want, but do it at your peril. My kid is out of high school now and not competing with yours so it does not impact me except in the sense of watching the collective mental health decline.

When you think you've projected as much as possible, be sure and project some more. It can't be your parenting or your kid's particular mental attitude that is at issue; it has to be a "collective" issue that can only be addressed by discriminating against Asian families while invoking the "greater good."

Ok. Seriously? Let’s talk about projecting!! You have got to be kidding me. I’m not talking about only my kid. I’ve seen this with many kids and I think there are plenty Of articles and stats that bear it out. The perfectionism, nothing is good enough thing hurts most kids. Including the kid (non-Asian, if that matters to you) that killed herself at my kid’s school this year. This is a huge problem that transcends TJ and race.

I get it. You are narrow minded and your way is the only way. If anyone questions you, it must be fear and discrimination. All you care about is your kid and TJ. Mental health be damned. Go for it. Maybe ask yourself why this is so important to you. Could it also be fear?

Whitesaviourism#

Not racist - that implies overt discrimination. White saviors truly believe they are doing what they are doing because they mean well for the kids. In other words, they know better than the parents how to raise healthy children. The same attitude was why many indigenous children were removed from their parents’ care.

Lots of literature on the topic. Google is your friend.

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There were multiple studies conducted and the result concluded that on average, Asians had the higher IQ. The IQ of white people tend to have more outliers(up and down), while the Asian IQ seems to be more consistent.

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Anonymous wrote:The toxic exists in everybody’s mind, if there is any of them.
You can enjoy study without considering winning competition.
Some other kids enjoys competition and decide to work hard. There is nothing wrong with it. No toxic.
Toxic comes when you think those diligent kids takes your opportunities away. Toxic is in your mind.

Go ahead and tell yourself that, but one day you may be honest with yourself.

PP was right that there’s a lot of projection. Resentful parents call other parents/kids “toxic” because they want their own kids to be on top without working as hard.

Or they fear for our (collective) children’s mental health. I’m perfectly fine with my kid not being at the top because they are older now and I’ve seen the toll this sort of approach has on many kids. My own kid has gotten therapy and is in a much better place (although admittedly, we recently got a crisis phone call about a B+ in a college class). Take whatever approach you want, but do it at your peril. My kid is out of high school now and not competing with yours so it does not impact me except in the sense of watching the collective mental health decline.

Exactly.

I was top in my class. Top schools for undergrad and grad. Prestigious grants, internships, and job offers. Years later, I’m working with an amazing group of people from extremely diverse backgrounds. “Prestige” isn’t all that.

And I’m not pushing my kids to be at the top. I do push them to work hard and do their best but not at the cost of a social life, athletics, hobbies, etc. Or risk of anxiety/extreme stress.

My 8th grader is at the top of his HS class and he didn’t get into TJ. We are completely fine with that. He will have a great outcome at his base school.

And somehow you assume other (asian) parents are. They are not stupid and do care about their kids. You know that, right?

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Anonymous wrote:The toxic exists in everybody’s mind, if there is any of them.
You can enjoy study without considering winning competition.
Some other kids enjoys competition and decide to work hard. There is nothing wrong with it. No toxic.
Toxic comes when you think those diligent kids takes your opportunities away. Toxic is in your mind.

Go ahead and tell yourself that, but one day you may be honest with yourself.

PP was right that there’s a lot of projection. Resentful parents call other parents/kids “toxic” because they want their own kids to be on top without working as hard.

Or they fear for our (collective) children’s mental health. I’m perfectly fine with my kid not being at the top because they are older now and I’ve seen the toll this sort of approach has on many kids. My own kid has gotten therapy and is in a much better place (although admittedly, we recently got a crisis phone call about a B+ in a college class). Take whatever approach you want, but do it at your peril. My kid is out of high school now and not competing with yours so it does not impact me except in the sense of watching the collective mental health decline.

Exactly.

I was top in my class. Top schools for undergrad and grad. Prestigious grants, internships, and job offers. Years later, I’m working with an amazing group of people from extremely diverse backgrounds. “Prestige” isn’t all that.

And I’m not pushing my kids to be at the top. I do push them to work hard and do their best but not at the cost of a social life, athletics, hobbies, etc. Or risk of anxiety/extreme stress.

My 8th grader is at the top of his HS class and he didn’t get into TJ. We are completely fine with that. He will have a great outcome at his base school.

And somehow you assume other (asian) parents are. They are not stupid and do care about their kids. You know that, right?

haha. are you kidding? everyone knows that asians parents hate their kids and work them to death.

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And a kid who is great at math and has the GPA and has completed Algebra 1 and Geometry H by 8th grade might not be able to stay after school for extra curriculars because they have other requirements at home. The lack of extra curriculars should not be assumed to be a lack of interest in STEM.

If a kid is so burdened by other requirements at home that they can't stay after school for a single STEM EC, then that kid is NOT going to succeed at TJ. TJ is quite demanding. Why set tons of kids up for failure in the hopes of finding that unicorn who was super burdened with family duties throughout MS, but will miraculously be free and well supported to succeed at TJ?

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Anonymous wrote:There were multiple studies conducted and the result concluded that on average, Asians had the higher IQ. The IQ of white people tend to have more outliers(up and down), while the Asian IQ seems to be more consistent.

Is that based on (sometimes prepped) cogat scores?

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Anonymous wrote:The toxic exists in everybody’s mind, if there is any of them.
You can enjoy study without considering winning competition.
Some other kids enjoys competition and decide to work hard. There is nothing wrong with it. No toxic.
Toxic comes when you think those diligent kids takes your opportunities away. Toxic is in your mind.

Go ahead and tell yourself that, but one day you may be honest with yourself.

PP was right that there’s a lot of projection. Resentful parents call other parents/kids “toxic” because they want their own kids to be on top without working as hard.

Or they fear for our (collective) children’s mental health. I’m perfectly fine with my kid not being at the top because they are older now and I’ve seen the toll this sort of approach has on many kids. My own kid has gotten therapy and is in a much better place (although admittedly, we recently got a crisis phone call about a B+ in a college class). Take whatever approach you want, but do it at your peril. My kid is out of high school now and not competing with yours so it does not impact me except in the sense of watching the collective mental health decline.

When you think you've projected as much as possible, be sure and project some more. It can't be your parenting or your kid's particular mental attitude that is at issue; it has to be a "collective" issue that can only be addressed by discriminating against Asian families while invoking the "greater good."

Ok. Seriously? Let’s talk about projecting!! You have got to be kidding me. I’m not talking about only my kid. I’ve seen this with many kids and I think there are plenty Of articles and stats that bear it out. The perfectionism, nothing is good enough thing hurts most kids. Including the kid (non-Asian, if that matters to you) that killed herself at my kid’s school this year. This is a huge problem that transcends TJ and race.

I get it. You are narrow minded and your way is the only way. If anyone questions you, it must be fear and discrimination. All you care about is your kid and TJ. Mental health be damned. Go for it. Maybe ask yourself why this is so important to you. Could it also be fear?

Whitesaviourism#

Not racist - that implies overt discrimination. White saviors truly believe they are doing what they are doing because they mean well for the kids. In other words, they know better than the parents how to raise healthy children. The same attitude was why many indigenous children were removed from their parents’ care.

Lots of literature on the topic. Google is your friend.

Thanks for the lecture my #AsianSavior. I have already said that you should do what you want for your own kid. I have no intention to remove indigenous children from their parents’ care, so you can stop the hyperbole right now.

I actually do care about children’s mental health and if you knew who I was, you would not question my commitment.

Why are you so certain YOUR approach to parenting is the right one? What is the desired outcome for your child beyond the short term goal of getting into TJ?

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Any updates on if the TJ admissions office has finished their process of reviewing the ED data? FOIA mom/dad - did they ever get you the data?

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Anonymous wrote:There were multiple studies conducted and the result concluded that on average, Asians had the higher IQ. The IQ of white people tend to have more outliers(up and down), while the Asian IQ seems to be more consistent.

Is that based on (sometimes prepped) cogat scores?

Well, this is another un-intended (or intended?) affect of TJ admissions. It sparked the culture and race war among the parents. It used to be that kids are usually immune to most of this, but now, its in the open and kids (MS) are openly talking about how the TJ is discriminating against certain races and no longer cares about talent etc. Couple my neighbor kids who go to TJ say that there has been a lot of discussion about TJ freshman, many of who were often perceived as under qualified for TJ etc. Good job FCPS and everyone!

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Anonymous wrote:Race at the Top: white and Asian Americans and the push for equity in education
Natasha Warikoo, the author of a new book on suburban schools and the competition for elite university spots, discusses the lessons she learned
https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2022/jun/04/race-at-the-top-white-asian-americans-education-equity

Asian and white residents of towns like Woodcrest should look beyond their own children’s needs and attend to the opportunities afforded to children beyond the town’s boundaries. They should support the building of more mixed-income housing in their neighborhoods, the expansion of busing programs designed to bring children in urban and suburban schools together at school, and social policies designed to increase educational and economic equity. They should support increased opportunities for Black and Latinx children in particular, given that these groups have been historically excluded from the American dream.


I argue that we need to think of college admissions less as an individualist meritocracy that selects the very “best”, “most deserving” young people to study at elite colleges, and instead as an organizational practice that attempts to fulfill institutional mission, one of which is to develop diverse leaders for tomorrow.

Then, I’m hoping to study the impact of admissions changes to selective public schools around the country such as Thomas Jefferson High School in Virginia and Boston Latin School. These changes were facilitated by the disruptions of the Covid pandemic – one small opportunity to expand opportunity – which forced districts to rethink exam-based admissions, and how they might rethink their selection to broaden access, especially for Black and Latinx youth historically underrepresented at the schools

So much selectivity just while cutting and pasting from an interview. Try intellectual honesty sometime. It will be good for you and the community.

I shared two relevant excerpts and the link. How was that misrepresenting anything?

She examined the dynamics at these schools and urged that white and Asian parents “should support increased opportunities for Black and Latinx children”.

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Anonymous wrote:There were multiple studies conducted and the result concluded that on average, Asians had the higher IQ. The IQ of white people tend to have more outliers(up and down), while the Asian IQ seems to be more consistent.

Is that based on (sometimes prepped) cogat scores?

It certainly isn't based on the privilege that got George Bush into Yale and Donald Trump into Penn. When you have privilege, you dont even test scores or academic performance to back it up.

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Interesting article about the “model minority” with data that may explain why Asian students perform so well:

https://www.brookings.edu/research/asian-american-success-and-the-pitfalls-of-generalization/?amp

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The toxic exists in everybody’s mind, if there is any of them.
You can enjoy study without considering winning competition.
Some other kids enjoys competition and decide to work hard. There is nothing wrong with it. No toxic.
Toxic comes when you think those diligent kids takes your opportunities away. Toxic is in your mind.

Go ahead and tell yourself that, but one day you may be honest with yourself.

PP was right that there’s a lot of projection. Resentful parents call other parents/kids “toxic” because they want their own kids to be on top without working as hard.

Or they fear for our (collective) children’s mental health. I’m perfectly fine with my kid not being at the top because they are older now and I’ve seen the toll this sort of approach has on many kids. My own kid has gotten therapy and is in a much better place (although admittedly, we recently got a crisis phone call about a B+ in a college class). Take whatever approach you want, but do it at your peril. My kid is out of high school now and not competing with yours so it does not impact me except in the sense of watching the collective mental health decline.

Exactly.

I was top in my class. Top schools for undergrad and grad. Prestigious grants, internships, and job offers. Years later, I’m working with an amazing group of people from extremely diverse backgrounds. “Prestige” isn’t all that.

And I’m not pushing my kids to be at the top. I do push them to work hard and do their best but not at the cost of a social life, athletics, hobbies, etc. Or risk of anxiety/extreme stress.

My 8th grader is at the top of his HS class and he didn’t get into TJ. We are completely fine with that. He will have a great outcome at his base school.

And somehow you assume other (asian) parents are. They are not stupid and do care about their kids. You know that, right?

I’m talking about my personal experience and perspective.

Why are you bringing other parents and race into it?

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Anonymous wrote:There were multiple studies conducted and the result concluded that on average, Asians had the higher IQ. The IQ of white people tend to have more outliers(up and down), while the Asian IQ seems to be more consistent.

Is that based on (sometimes prepped) cogat scores?

It certainly isn't based on the privilege that got George Bush into Yale and Donald Trump into Penn. When you have privilege, you dont even test scores or academic performance to back it up.

Absolutely.

But data is only as good as the measuring tool. There may be undiscovered flaws in the data collection.