Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has neutralized the head of Hamas’ military wing’s Central Gaza Brigade.

Waiting for the anti-Israel people on this thread to say this is a good thing.

Because so many have unequivocally condemned Hamas’ barbaric attacks on civilians, it is to be assumed that they implicitly support the elimination of the military aspect of that entity.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

+1. Israel suffered a terrorist attack. It was brutal and very sad, and I am so sorry for the families and people affected. Obviously they didn’t deserve what happened to them.

That said, the Israeli government’s plan to essentially carpet-bomb Gaza and withhold basic supplies like food, water, and power from the entire strip, is a war crime against the civilian population. They and everyone else know that this plan is going to indiscriminately kill Palestinian civilians (who are not Hamas). And their warnings to civilians to evacuate the northern part of the strip are pretty hollow. There are civilians there who cannot evacuate, as the UN pointed out. And there’s nowhere to go. They’re still bombing the southern part.

War crimes aren’t permissible just because it’s “self-defense” and it’s totally disingenuous to say that it’s antisemitic to point that out. Israel doesn’t get a pass on that because they suffered a terrorist attack.

So, if you agree that Hamas is a terrorist entity guilty of war crimes that does not serve the Palestinian people, what should Israel do?

Evacuate and set up hospital camps for the wounded and babies.

Designate green zones for IDPs in Gaza.

Let foreign passport holders evacuate and humanitarian aid get in.

Stop the settlers in the West Bank from doing anything to make things worse.

Tell Gazans that they will have a right to return if they flee.

Beg Turkey, Malaysia or Bangladesh to send peacekeepers to Gaza.

Take out Hamas in the same manner that they took out Eichman etc. Quietly, seriously, relentlessly and targeted.

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Anonymous wrote:Officials further said there had been 115 attacks on healthcare facilities and the majority of hospitals in Gaza are not functioning, with water and electricity scarce.

"Concerns over dehydration and waterborne diseases are high given the collapse of water and sanitation services," the UN Palestinian refugee agency UNRWA said in a statement. "People will start dying without water

Might be a good idea to let hostages go so you can save your own people. Unless that isn't your goal.

So you are killing your own hostages to save them?

Doesn't have to be that way. Water, food, cleanliness in exchange for hostages. Hamas cares about their own people right? I mean all of this was for the rights of the Palestinian people, right? They have the chance to negotiate clean water, sanitation, and all sorts of great things for their people. I'm sure they are at the negotiating table right now doing so, right?

They'd rather continue launching rockets. They are uninterested in helping their people. They don't care if they die.

+1. You know who else doesn’t care? Egypt. But keep blaming israel.

Israel is dropping bombs in civilians and journalist so ISRAEL doesn't care.

And Gaza is within Israel. And a variety of Arab nations have taken in millions of Palestinian refugees in the last decades. But still there’s the question, why doesn’t one Arab state absorb the cost of an intentionally controlled, financially destroyed, sieged population huh? Stupid stubborn Palestinians wanting a right of return!

I thought you said Israel doesn't control Gaza but now Gaza is within Israel. I see Bibi has updated the talking points.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

+1. Israel suffered a terrorist attack. It was brutal and very sad, and I am so sorry for the families and people affected. Obviously they didn’t deserve what happened to them.

That said, the Israeli government’s plan to essentially carpet-bomb Gaza and withhold basic supplies like food, water, and power from the entire strip, is a war crime against the civilian population. They and everyone else know that this plan is going to indiscriminately kill Palestinian civilians (who are not Hamas). And their warnings to civilians to evacuate the northern part of the strip are pretty hollow. There are civilians there who cannot evacuate, as the UN pointed out. And there’s nowhere to go. They’re still bombing the southern part.

War crimes aren’t permissible just because it’s “self-defense” and it’s totally disingenuous to say that it’s antisemitic to point that out. Israel doesn’t get a pass on that because they suffered a terrorist attack.

So, if you agree that Hamas is a terrorist entity guilty of war crimes that does not serve the Palestinian people, what should Israel do?

Not commit additional war crimes in its response? Why is this controversial?

To be evenhanded, Hamas will have to cease the war crime of placing its terrorists and equipment in, on, under, or around places like mosques and all that.

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Anonymous wrote:Officials further said there had been 115 attacks on healthcare facilities and the majority of hospitals in Gaza are not functioning, with water and electricity scarce.

"Concerns over dehydration and waterborne diseases are high given the collapse of water and sanitation services," the UN Palestinian refugee agency UNRWA said in a statement. "People will start dying without water

Might be a good idea to let hostages go so you can save your own people. Unless that isn't your goal.

So you are killing your own hostages to save them?

Doesn't have to be that way. Water, food, cleanliness in exchange for hostages. Hamas cares about their own people right? I mean all of this was for the rights of the Palestinian people, right? They have the chance to negotiate clean water, sanitation, and all sorts of great things for their people. I'm sure they are at the negotiating table right now doing so, right?

They'd rather continue launching rockets. They are uninterested in helping their people. They don't care if they die.

+1. You know who else doesn’t care? Egypt. But keep blaming israel.

Israel is dropping bombs in civilians and journalist so ISRAEL doesn't care.

And Gaza is within Israel. And a variety of Arab nations have taken in millions of Palestinian refugees in the last decades. But still there’s the question, why doesn’t one Arab state absorb the cost of an intentionally controlled, financially destroyed, sieged population huh? Stupid stubborn Palestinians wanting a right of return!

I thought you said Israel doesn't control Gaza but now Gaza is within Israel. I see Bibi has updated the talking points.

Israel decolonized Gaza about 20 years ago.

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A mother and daughter from the suburbs of Chicago were taken hostage by Hamas during their trip to Israel to celebrate a Jewish holiday season and a birthday party, according to their rabbi.

Judith Raanan and her 17-year-old daughter, Natalie Raanan, traveled to Nahal Oz in Israel, about a mile from the Gaza border, to celebrate a relative's 85th birthday and Simchat Torah.

"It has been confirmed to the family that both Judith and Natalie are alive and are hostages in Gaza," Rabbi Meir Hecht of Evanston, Illinois, told Fox News Digital. "The Israeli government and the State Department confirmed that information with the family."

I am glad they are alive. Is there a historical precedent for taking hostages in this part of the world? From Iran on, the hostage taking of civilians is constant. Or is it just part of the terrorist mindset-what you do when you don't want to fight actual armies? Pick on the defenseless?

Maybe if our foreign policy wasn’t so imbalanced they wouldn’t need to take hostages . People take hostages when they want leverage in a negotiation

Oh please. They take hostages because they are psychopaths.

Nope. Throughout history, people take live hostages as a desperate way to get powers that be to either pay them or listen to them .

It’s not psychopath behavior. It’s actually the most accepted form of warfare because it allows for negotiation and victims are alive throughout .

Keep acting shocked or surprised as to to why Hamas is doing it. It’s because they want leverage. What can one do? Bomb them to smithereens and kill the hostages as well. Nope.

That’s the point . They want to keep hostages alive and release them in exchange for something

Hams doesn't seem desperate. They have more money than God, and patiently stockpiled and planned this. They take hostages because they want to. Abbas isn't holding hostages. It speaks incredibly well of the West Bank to have condemned all of this. They are the light and the future for Palestinians. Not Hamas. I understand why they did it, but understanding their twisted motives doesn't justify them. Pretty much the entire world views this the same.

If they are the light and future of Palestinians, why did Israelis kill more Palestinians in the West Bank before 10/7? You didn’t reward the good guys at all.

Do you think the people there don’t see the victories Hamas has made , and aren’t thinking to themselves “Why are the Israelis afraid to go to the ground in Gaza but certainly aren’t afraid to come here and live among us and kill us”

They’re going to turn to Hamas soon so no more good guys there either.

You’ve worn on their patience

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

+1. Israel suffered a terrorist attack. It was brutal and very sad, and I am so sorry for the families and people affected. Obviously they didn’t deserve what happened to them.

That said, the Israeli government’s plan to essentially carpet-bomb Gaza and withhold basic supplies like food, water, and power from the entire strip, is a war crime against the civilian population. They and everyone else know that this plan is going to indiscriminately kill Palestinian civilians (who are not Hamas). And their warnings to civilians to evacuate the northern part of the strip are pretty hollow. There are civilians there who cannot evacuate, as the UN pointed out. And there’s nowhere to go. They’re still bombing the southern part.

War crimes aren’t permissible just because it’s “self-defense” and it’s totally disingenuous to say that it’s antisemitic to point that out. Israel doesn’t get a pass on that because they suffered a terrorist attack.

So, if you agree that Hamas is a terrorist entity guilty of war crimes that does not serve the Palestinian people, what should Israel do?

Evacuate and set up hospital camps for the wounded and babies.

Designate green zones for IDPs in Gaza.

Let foreign passport holders evacuate and humanitarian aid get in.

Stop the settlers in the West Bank from doing anything to make things worse.

Tell Gazans that they will have a right to return if they flee.

Beg Turkey, Malaysia or Bangladesh to send peacekeepers to Gaza.

Take out Hamas in the same manner that they took out Eichman etc. Quietly, seriously, relentlessly and targeted.

Who screens the green zones to make sure Hamas isn't using them? Where do you move the wounded? Do you think any nation wants it's soldiers standing between Israel and Hamas?

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Hamas terror claimed the lives Israeli-Palestinians and Israeli Bedouins. Why is no one talking about that? There is a video of a Bedouin man in his knees begging for his life in Arabic and he is being shot at close range by the Hamas terrorist. Why are these Arab victims of Hamas violence not have a voice? Entire Bedouin villages were wiped out by rockets shot from Gaza. There are so few Bedouins, here is the real genocide. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/arab-israeli-hamas-attacks.html

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I love how people are asking Israel to respond with peace, as though there’s anyone on the Palestinian side to talk to peacefully.

Israelis could boot out Bibi and elect Benny Gantz or any number of left wing Israeli politicians, who would be open to peace talks.

Who is the equivalent on the Palestinian side? 87 year old Abbas, who is exceptionally ineffectual?

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

+1. Israel suffered a terrorist attack. It was brutal and very sad, and I am so sorry for the families and people affected. Obviously they didn’t deserve what happened to them.

That said, the Israeli government’s plan to essentially carpet-bomb Gaza and withhold basic supplies like food, water, and power from the entire strip, is a war crime against the civilian population. They and everyone else know that this plan is going to indiscriminately kill Palestinian civilians (who are not Hamas). And their warnings to civilians to evacuate the northern part of the strip are pretty hollow. There are civilians there who cannot evacuate, as the UN pointed out. And there’s nowhere to go. They’re still bombing the southern part.

War crimes aren’t permissible just because it’s “self-defense” and it’s totally disingenuous to say that it’s antisemitic to point that out. Israel doesn’t get a pass on that because they suffered a terrorist attack.

So, if you agree that Hamas is a terrorist entity guilty of war crimes that does not serve the Palestinian people, what should Israel do?

Evacuate and set up hospital camps for the wounded and babies.

Designate green zones for IDPs in Gaza.

Let foreign passport holders evacuate and humanitarian aid get in.

Stop the settlers in the West Bank from doing anything to make things worse.

Tell Gazans that they will have a right to return if they flee.

Beg Turkey, Malaysia or Bangladesh to send peacekeepers to Gaza.

Take out Hamas in the same manner that they took out Eichman etc. Quietly, seriously, relentlessly and targeted.

Gotta be able to take out the tunnels and military infrastructure too and thoroughly disarm Hamas.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas terror claimed the lives Israeli-Palestinians and Israeli Bedouins. Why is no one talking about that? There is a video of a Bedouin man in his knees begging for his life in Arabic and he is being shot at close range by the Hamas terrorist. Why are these Arab victims of Hamas violence not have a voice? Entire Bedouin villages were wiped out by rockets shot from Gaza. There are so few Bedouins, here is the real genocide. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/arab-israeli-hamas-attacks.html

Moreover, afterwards, Jewish and Arab Bedouins worked together to heal their villages.

But no one talks about that.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas terror claimed the lives Israeli-Palestinians and Israeli Bedouins. Why is no one talking about that? There is a video of a Bedouin man in his knees begging for his life in Arabic and he is being shot at close range by the Hamas terrorist. Why are these Arab victims of Hamas violence not have a voice? Entire Bedouin villages were wiped out by rockets shot from Gaza. There are so few Bedouins, here is the real genocide. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/arab-israeli-hamas-attacks.html

Minorities are invisible in Israel unless it’s a security shake down.

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A mother and daughter from the suburbs of Chicago were taken hostage by Hamas during their trip to Israel to celebrate a Jewish holiday season and a birthday party, according to their rabbi.

Judith Raanan and her 17-year-old daughter, Natalie Raanan, traveled to Nahal Oz in Israel, about a mile from the Gaza border, to celebrate a relative's 85th birthday and Simchat Torah.

"It has been confirmed to the family that both Judith and Natalie are alive and are hostages in Gaza," Rabbi Meir Hecht of Evanston, Illinois, told Fox News Digital. "The Israeli government and the State Department confirmed that information with the family."

I am glad they are alive. Is there a historical precedent for taking hostages in this part of the world? From Iran on, the hostage taking of civilians is constant. Or is it just part of the terrorist mindset-what you do when you don't want to fight actual armies? Pick on the defenseless?

Maybe if our foreign policy wasn’t so imbalanced they wouldn’t need to take hostages . People take hostages when they want leverage in a negotiation

Oh please. They take hostages because they are psychopaths.

Nope. Throughout history, people take live hostages as a desperate way to get powers that be to either pay them or listen to them .

It’s not psychopath behavior. It’s actually the most accepted form of warfare because it allows for negotiation and victims are alive throughout .

Keep acting shocked or surprised as to to why Hamas is doing it. It’s because they want leverage. What can one do? Bomb them to smithereens and kill the hostages as well. Nope.

That’s the point . They want to keep hostages alive and release them in exchange for something

Hams doesn't seem desperate. They have more money than God, and patiently stockpiled and planned this. They take hostages because they want to. Abbas isn't holding hostages. It speaks incredibly well of the West Bank to have condemned all of this. They are the light and the future for Palestinians. Not Hamas. I understand why they did it, but understanding their twisted motives doesn't justify them. Pretty much the entire world views this the same.

If they are the light and future of Palestinians, why did Israelis kill more Palestinians in the West Bank before 10/7? You didn’t reward the good guys at all.

Do you think the people there don’t see the victories Hamas has made , and aren’t thinking to themselves “Why are the Israelis afraid to go to the ground in Gaza but certainly aren’t afraid to come here and live among us and kill us”

They’re going to turn to Hamas soon so no more good guys there either.

You’ve worn on their patience

Israelis can't fight man to man, they will be slaughtered. This is why Bibi is itching to drop that tactical Nuclear bomb in Iran.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas terror claimed the lives Israeli-Palestinians and Israeli Bedouins. Why is no one talking about that? There is a video of a Bedouin man in his knees begging for his life in Arabic and he is being shot at close range by the Hamas terrorist. Why are these Arab victims of Hamas violence not have a voice? Entire Bedouin villages were wiped out by rockets shot from Gaza. There are so few Bedouins, here is the real genocide. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/arab-israeli-hamas-attacks.html

Minorities are invisible in Israel unless it’s a security shake down.

Oh stop it. Israel has long been known as exceptionally open to LGBTQ individuals, and like it or not, Freedom House considers Israel free. This does not include Gaza or the West Bank, which they recognize as not free.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas terror claimed the lives Israeli-Palestinians and Israeli Bedouins. Why is no one talking about that? There is a video of a Bedouin man in his knees begging for his life in Arabic and he is being shot at close range by the Hamas terrorist. Why are these Arab victims of Hamas violence not have a voice? Entire Bedouin villages were wiped out by rockets shot from Gaza. There are so few Bedouins, here is the real genocide. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/arab-israeli-hamas-attacks.html

Minorities are invisible in Israel unless it’s a security shake down.

Oh stop it. Israel has long been known as exceptionally open to LGBTQ individuals, and like it or not, Freedom House considers Israel free. This does not include Gaza or the West Bank, which they recognize as not free.

Have you ever been to Israel? There are some place that are okay for LGBTQ other areas….no.