Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

Israel's default of collective punishment IS sick!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pages ago I asked why people who distinguish between Hamas and Palestinians are attacked as siding with evil and anti Israel. No one answered. Is anyone else bothered by the lack of nuance so many people have about this? Most issues are not black and white and this cluster of history, war, terror, and suffering seems even more complex than most. I’m really concerned about how popular it seems to need to pick a side here and ignore the nuance of a complicated history.

I’m bothered by it. It’s such a disingenuous pile-on that is elicited when you ask that question, too. The only silver lining is that the international protests continue, and there’s been some obvious pressure out on Israel to slow things down.

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Anonymous wrote:Officials further said there had been 115 attacks on healthcare facilities and the majority of hospitals in Gaza are not functioning, with water and electricity scarce.

"Concerns over dehydration and waterborne diseases are high given the collapse of water and sanitation services," the UN Palestinian refugee agency UNRWA said in a statement. "People will start dying without water

Might be a good idea to let hostages go so you can save your own people. Unless that isn't your goal.

So you are killing your own hostages to save them?

Doesn't have to be that way. Water, food, cleanliness in exchange for hostages. Hamas cares about their own people right? I mean all of this was for the rights of the Palestinian people, right? They have the chance to negotiate clean water, sanitation, and all sorts of great things for their people. I'm sure they are at the negotiating table right now doing so, right?

They'd rather continue launching rockets. They are uninterested in helping their people. They don't care if they die.

+1. You know who else doesn’t care? Egypt. But keep blaming israel.

Israel is dropping bombs in civilians and journalist so ISRAEL doesn't care.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

How is killing press “defense”?

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Anonymous wrote:Officials further said there had been 115 attacks on healthcare facilities and the majority of hospitals in Gaza are not functioning, with water and electricity scarce.

"Concerns over dehydration and waterborne diseases are high given the collapse of water and sanitation services," the UN Palestinian refugee agency UNRWA said in a statement. "People will start dying without water

Might be a good idea to let hostages go so you can save your own people. Unless that isn't your goal.

So you are killing your own hostages to save them?

Doesn't have to be that way. Water, food, cleanliness in exchange for hostages. Hamas cares about their own people right? I mean all of this was for the rights of the Palestinian people, right? They have the chance to negotiate clean water, sanitation, and all sorts of great things for their people. I'm sure they are at the negotiating table right now doing so, right?

They'd rather continue launching rockets. They are uninterested in helping their people. They don't care if they die.

+1. You know who else doesn’t care? Egypt. But keep blaming israel.

Israel is dropping bombs in civilians and journalist so ISRAEL doesn't care.

And Gaza is within Israel. And a variety of Arab nations have taken in millions of Palestinian refugees in the last decades. But still there’s the question, why doesn’t one Arab state absorb the cost of an intentionally controlled, financially destroyed, sieged population huh? Stupid stubborn Palestinians wanting a right of return!

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Anonymous wrote:Officials further said there had been 115 attacks on healthcare facilities and the majority of hospitals in Gaza are not functioning, with water and electricity scarce.

"Concerns over dehydration and waterborne diseases are high given the collapse of water and sanitation services," the UN Palestinian refugee agency UNRWA said in a statement. "People will start dying without water

Might be a good idea to let hostages go so you can save your own people. Unless that isn't your goal.

So you are killing your own hostages to save them?

Doesn't have to be that way. Water, food, cleanliness in exchange for hostages. Hamas cares about their own people right? I mean all of this was for the rights of the Palestinian people, right? They have the chance to negotiate clean water, sanitation, and all sorts of great things for their people. I'm sure they are at the negotiating table right now doing so, right?

Sure that makes sense and wins lots of support for a Jewish state. I am sure that no one will use that as justification to attack israel next time.

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Anonymous wrote:Pages ago I asked why people who distinguish between Hamas and Palestinians are attacked as siding with evil and anti Israel. No one answered. Is anyone else bothered by the lack of nuance so many people have about this? Most issues are not black and white and this cluster of history, war, terror, and suffering seems even more complex than most. I’m really concerned about how popular it seems to need to pick a side here and ignore the nuance of a complicated history.

I’m bothered by it. It’s such a disingenuous pile-on that is elicited when you ask that question, too. The only silver lining is that the international protests continue, and there’s been some obvious pressure out on Israel to slow things down.

That's an Israeli propaganda technique.

“It doesn't matter if justice is on your side. You have to depict your position as just.” Relentlessly.
― Benjamin Netanyahu

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Anonymous wrote:The UN is again pleading for aid agencies to gain access to Gaza, and warning of possible war crimes.

Ravina Shamdasani, spokeswoman for the UN high commissioner for human rights, says the organisation is "concerned" that the Israeli military's demand that Palestinians move from northern Gaza to the south could amount to the "forcible transfer of civilians - in breach of international law".

If a country is believed to have committed a war crime during conflict, the case can be looked at by the International Criminal Court (ICC) - the Palestinians are members, but Israel is not.

In a statement, Shamdasani adds that attacks on civilians - while attempting to flee the necessary parts of Gaza - must be investigated independently.

She also appeals for the "immediate and unconditional" release of all Israeli hostages, with the latest Israeli reports indicating around 199 are being held.


I remember now, the joining of ICC. Israel opposed it, now we know why

Yes, the extreme bias against it.

What is the bias against the ICC? This is an offshoot from the Nuremberg trials, so what is the extreme bias?

Oh, maybe the obsession with Israel and the downplaying of other countries’ war crimes.

Have you followed ICC proceedings? I think they are very balanced

DP. One thing I have realized in following this conflict up close is that Israeli and Jewish people are very justified in their distrust of the ICC, UN, traditional human rights organizations such as HRW, etc. I hadn’t really understood how biased and untrustworthy they were until I saw their collective responses to the Hamas massacre.

I don’t understand at this point how Israel could ever trust the ICC. I don’t think I trust them now, while I used to think the same way you did.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

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Anonymous wrote:The UN is again pleading for aid agencies to gain access to Gaza, and warning of possible war crimes.

Ravina Shamdasani, spokeswoman for the UN high commissioner for human rights, says the organisation is "concerned" that the Israeli military's demand that Palestinians move from northern Gaza to the south could amount to the "forcible transfer of civilians - in breach of international law".

If a country is believed to have committed a war crime during conflict, the case can be looked at by the International Criminal Court (ICC) - the Palestinians are members, but Israel is not.

In a statement, Shamdasani adds that attacks on civilians - while attempting to flee the necessary parts of Gaza - must be investigated independently.

She also appeals for the "immediate and unconditional" release of all Israeli hostages, with the latest Israeli reports indicating around 199 are being held.


I remember now, the joining of ICC. Israel opposed it, now we know why

Yes, the extreme bias against it.

What is the bias against the ICC? This is an offshoot from the Nuremberg trials, so what is the extreme bias?

Oh, maybe the obsession with Israel and the downplaying of other countries’ war crimes.

Have you followed ICC proceedings? I think they are very balanced

The ICC only indicts black defendants

[Anonymous]

Here we go, the US has officially signed up for another Middle Eastern war.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/17/us-deploys-sailors-marines-israel-hamas/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

Is Israel defending themselves from premature babies born last week?

No?

Then condemning them to death by dehydration is a war crime. That’s why “collective punishment” is a war crime.

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Anonymous wrote:The UN is again pleading for aid agencies to gain access to Gaza, and warning of possible war crimes.

Ravina Shamdasani, spokeswoman for the UN high commissioner for human rights, says the organisation is "concerned" that the Israeli military's demand that Palestinians move from northern Gaza to the south could amount to the "forcible transfer of civilians - in breach of international law".

If a country is believed to have committed a war crime during conflict, the case can be looked at by the International Criminal Court (ICC) - the Palestinians are members, but Israel is not.

In a statement, Shamdasani adds that attacks on civilians - while attempting to flee the necessary parts of Gaza - must be investigated independently.

She also appeals for the "immediate and unconditional" release of all Israeli hostages, with the latest Israeli reports indicating around 199 are being held.


I remember now, the joining of ICC. Israel opposed it, now we know why

Yes, the extreme bias against it.

What is the bias against the ICC? This is an offshoot from the Nuremberg trials, so what is the extreme bias?

Oh, maybe the obsession with Israel and the downplaying of other countries’ war crimes.

Have you followed ICC proceedings? I think they are very balanced

The US also is not part of the ICC. Did you know that?

Correct. US has it’s internal military court that makes up for it in scrutiny as well
That is besides the point

You should probably go back to playing candy crush on your phone and leave the grownups to talk about the serious things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The UN is again pleading for aid agencies to gain access to Gaza, and warning of possible war crimes.

Ravina Shamdasani, spokeswoman for the UN high commissioner for human rights, says the organisation is "concerned" that the Israeli military's demand that Palestinians move from northern Gaza to the south could amount to the "forcible transfer of civilians - in breach of international law".

If a country is believed to have committed a war crime during conflict, the case can be looked at by the International Criminal Court (ICC) - the Palestinians are members, but Israel is not.

In a statement, Shamdasani adds that attacks on civilians - while attempting to flee the necessary parts of Gaza - must be investigated independently.

She also appeals for the "immediate and unconditional" release of all Israeli hostages, with the latest Israeli reports indicating around 199 are being held.


I remember now, the joining of ICC. Israel opposed it, now we know why

Yes, the extreme bias against it.

What is the bias against the ICC? This is an offshoot from the Nuremberg trials, so what is the extreme bias?

Oh, maybe the obsession with Israel and the downplaying of other countries’ war crimes.

Have you followed ICC proceedings? I think they are very balanced

DP. One thing I have realized in following this conflict up close is that Israeli and Jewish people are very justified in their distrust of the ICC, UN, traditional human rights organizations such as HRW, etc. I hadn’t really understood how biased and untrustworthy they were until I saw their collective responses to the Hamas massacre.

I don’t understand at this point how Israel could ever trust the ICC. I don’t think I trust them now, while I used to think the same way you did.

Everyone and every organization is out to get Jews. If this was black folks saying the same unfounded nonsense about the "white man is out to get us," we'd be told to stop pulling the race card. Please give Jews their own planet in the far end of the galaxy so the anti-Semites can't get them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The UN is again pleading for aid agencies to gain access to Gaza, and warning of possible war crimes.

Ravina Shamdasani, spokeswoman for the UN high commissioner for human rights, says the organisation is "concerned" that the Israeli military's demand that Palestinians move from northern Gaza to the south could amount to the "forcible transfer of civilians - in breach of international law".

If a country is believed to have committed a war crime during conflict, the case can be looked at by the International Criminal Court (ICC) - the Palestinians are members, but Israel is not.

In a statement, Shamdasani adds that attacks on civilians - while attempting to flee the necessary parts of Gaza - must be investigated independently.

She also appeals for the "immediate and unconditional" release of all Israeli hostages, with the latest Israeli reports indicating around 199 are being held.


I remember now, the joining of ICC. Israel opposed it, now we know why

Yes, the extreme bias against it.

What is the bias against the ICC? This is an offshoot from the Nuremberg trials, so what is the extreme bias?

Oh, maybe the obsession with Israel and the downplaying of other countries’ war crimes.

Have you followed ICC proceedings? I think they are very balanced

DP. One thing I have realized in following this conflict up close is that Israeli and Jewish people are very justified in their distrust of the ICC, UN, traditional human rights organizations such as HRW, etc. I hadn’t really understood how biased and untrustworthy they were until I saw their collective responses to the Hamas massacre.

I don’t understand at this point how Israel could ever trust the ICC. I don’t think I trust them now, while I used to think the same way you did.

Without the US israel would be under crippling sanctions. A lot of them would be justified. At some point the world in not against you. It is your action.