Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:The UN is again pleading for aid agencies to gain access to Gaza, and warning of possible war crimes.

Ravina Shamdasani, spokeswoman for the UN high commissioner for human rights, says the organisation is "concerned" that the Israeli military's demand that Palestinians move from northern Gaza to the south could amount to the "forcible transfer of civilians - in breach of international law".

If a country is believed to have committed a war crime during conflict, the case can be looked at by the International Criminal Court (ICC) - the Palestinians are members, but Israel is not.

In a statement, Shamdasani adds that attacks on civilians - while attempting to flee the necessary parts of Gaza - must be investigated independently.

She also appeals for the "immediate and unconditional" release of all Israeli hostages, with the latest Israeli reports indicating around 199 are being held.


I remember now, the joining of ICC. Israel opposed it, now we know why

Yes, the extreme bias against it.

What is the bias against the ICC? This is an offshoot from the Nuremberg trials, so what is the extreme bias?

Oh, maybe the obsession with Israel and the downplaying of other countries’ war crimes.

Have you followed ICC proceedings? I think they are very balanced

The US also is not part of the ICC. Did you know that?

Correct. US has it’s internal military court that makes up for it in scrutiny as well
That is besides the point

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Anonymous wrote:Officials further said there had been 115 attacks on healthcare facilities and the majority of hospitals in Gaza are not functioning, with water and electricity scarce.

"Concerns over dehydration and waterborne diseases are high given the collapse of water and sanitation services," the UN Palestinian refugee agency UNRWA said in a statement. "People will start dying without water

This is terrible. I hope Hamas releases the hostages and starts helping their people.

I suppose the hostages are also without water

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Anonymous wrote:The UN is again pleading for aid agencies to gain access to Gaza, and warning of possible war crimes.

Ravina Shamdasani, spokeswoman for the UN high commissioner for human rights, says the organisation is "concerned" that the Israeli military's demand that Palestinians move from northern Gaza to the south could amount to the "forcible transfer of civilians - in breach of international law".

If a country is believed to have committed a war crime during conflict, the case can be looked at by the International Criminal Court (ICC) - the Palestinians are members, but Israel is not.

In a statement, Shamdasani adds that attacks on civilians - while attempting to flee the necessary parts of Gaza - must be investigated independently.

She also appeals for the "immediate and unconditional" release of all Israeli hostages, with the latest Israeli reports indicating around 199 are being held.


I remember now, the joining of ICC. Israel opposed it, now we know why

Yes, the extreme bias against it.

What is the bias against the ICC? This is an offshoot from the Nuremberg trials, so what is the extreme bias?

Oh, maybe the obsession with Israel and the downplaying of other countries’ war crimes.

Israel is 3000 years late to the tribal warfare and is very very upset.

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Anonymous wrote:Officials further said there had been 115 attacks on healthcare facilities and the majority of hospitals in Gaza are not functioning, with water and electricity scarce.

"Concerns over dehydration and waterborne diseases are high given the collapse of water and sanitation services," the UN Palestinian refugee agency UNRWA said in a statement. "People will start dying without water

This is terrible. I hope Hamas releases the hostages and starts helping their people.

I suppose the hostages are also without water

When “collateral damage” starts to include Israelis and Americans

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Anonymous wrote:The UN is again pleading for aid agencies to gain access to Gaza, and warning of possible war crimes.

Ravina Shamdasani, spokeswoman for the UN high commissioner for human rights, says the organisation is "concerned" that the Israeli military's demand that Palestinians move from northern Gaza to the south could amount to the "forcible transfer of civilians - in breach of international law".

If a country is believed to have committed a war crime during conflict, the case can be looked at by the International Criminal Court (ICC) - the Palestinians are members, but Israel is not.

In a statement, Shamdasani adds that attacks on civilians - while attempting to flee the necessary parts of Gaza - must be investigated independently.

She also appeals for the "immediate and unconditional" release of all Israeli hostages, with the latest Israeli reports indicating around 199 are being held.


I remember now, the joining of ICC. Israel opposed it, now we know why

Yes, the extreme bias against it.

What is the bias against the ICC? This is an offshoot from the Nuremberg trials, so what is the extreme bias?

Oh, maybe the obsession with Israel and the downplaying of other countries’ war crimes.

Have you followed ICC proceedings? I think they are very balanced

The US also is not part of the ICC. Did you know that?

Correct. US has it’s internal military court that makes up for it in scrutiny as well
That is besides the point

Because the US does an excellent job of policing itself.

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Anonymous wrote:So what's the update? Israel has shown remarkable restraint. I hope they can retrieve all of the hostages. How is it possible that Hamas built so much infrastructure under UN observer and aid worker noses? It really makes me question their role. I know aid needs to get to Palestinians, and yes, I think it should be conditional. If the aid money is going to buy arms, it's sort of pointless anyway.

It seems you have a high tolerance for Israel's wartime depravity because the last I checked, Israel was still bombing Gaza.

Israel declared war. So war it is.

Uhhhwhat? Did you forget the part about how this started, when Hamas, the group that governs Gaza, declared war on Israel?

Did you forget the 13,000 Palestinians Israel killed before the latest Hamas attack? Do those people not count? It's like pro-Israel people have collective amnesia when it comes to dead Palestinians. The Hamas massacre wasn't some random attack, there is a history between the two sides.

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A mother and daughter from the suburbs of Chicago were taken hostage by Hamas during their trip to Israel to celebrate a Jewish holiday season and a birthday party, according to their rabbi.

Judith Raanan and her 17-year-old daughter, Natalie Raanan, traveled to Nahal Oz in Israel, about a mile from the Gaza border, to celebrate a relative's 85th birthday and Simchat Torah.

"It has been confirmed to the family that both Judith and Natalie are alive and are hostages in Gaza," Rabbi Meir Hecht of Evanston, Illinois, told Fox News Digital. "The Israeli government and the State Department confirmed that information with the family."

I am glad they are alive. Is there a historical precedent for taking hostages in this part of the world? From Iran on, the hostage taking of civilians is constant. Or is it just part of the terrorist mindset-what you do when you don't want to fight actual armies? Pick on the defenseless?

Maybe if our foreign policy wasn’t so imbalanced they wouldn’t need to take hostages . People take hostages when they want leverage in a negotiation

Oh please. They take hostages because they are psychopaths.

Nope. Throughout history, people take live hostages as a desperate way to get powers that be to either pay them or listen to them .

It’s not psychopath behavior. It’s actually the most accepted form of warfare because it allows for negotiation and victims are alive throughout .

Keep acting shocked or surprised as to to why Hamas is doing it. It’s because they want leverage. What can one do? Bomb them to smithereens and kill the hostages as well. Nope.

That’s the point . They want to keep hostages alive and release them in exchange for something

Except Hamas really misplayed this. Their savagery and clear intention to existentially destroy Israel has gone beyond negotiating for hostages. My heart bleeds for the hostages, but Hamas made this a fight to the death. Israel will do everything to retrieve these hostages., but they are not going to make great concessions to Hamas this time. I dont see that happening, do you? The Gilat situation is kind of "fooled you once". Just don't see it happening ever again.

Agree with this. Hamas totally overplayed their hand. Until last Saturday, Israel was quite weak. A deeply unpopular government. A country completely distracted by their judicial crisis. Israel was doing a great job tearing itself apart with their own internal divisions.

And then Hamas undertook the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. I cannot think of a quicker way to unite a country. There will be no negotiation with Hamas at all I'm afraid. A Gilat type trade is never happening again. At best, Hamas might be able to leverage their foreign hostages for something. Those foreign hostages are a huge liability for Hamas. It unites the world against them. But I cannot see anyone conceding anything to Hamas from this point forward. It's like negotiating with ISIS. Those days are done. Hamas completely misplayed things. All that's left is their endgame.

Hamas is counting on the support of the 'intellectual' in this country and around the world. And they are sadly getting the support. You see it's very important to have a nuanced opinion if you want to be seen as 'thoughtful'

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Anonymous wrote:Officials further said there had been 115 attacks on healthcare facilities and the majority of hospitals in Gaza are not functioning, with water and electricity scarce.

"Concerns over dehydration and waterborne diseases are high given the collapse of water and sanitation services," the UN Palestinian refugee agency UNRWA said in a statement. "People will start dying without water

Might be a good idea to let hostages go so you can save your own people. Unless that isn't your goal.

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Anonymous wrote:Officials further said there had been 115 attacks on healthcare facilities and the majority of hospitals in Gaza are not functioning, with water and electricity scarce.

"Concerns over dehydration and waterborne diseases are high given the collapse of water and sanitation services," the UN Palestinian refugee agency UNRWA said in a statement. "People will start dying without water

Hamas is truly evil to do this to their own people. It’s sickening.

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Anonymous wrote:Love the passion on both sides.

It won’t change anything.

Hamas overachieved on their attack. No doubt.

Israel is in a no win situation of “kill them all” for hamas; when they absolutely could at the expense of hundreds of thousands of civilians.

Call what you will; but Israel will not do what they want. They will kill many Hamas members; reset for a few years and repeat.

This war ends nothing. Your passion changes nothing.

This is dark, but probably correct. It would take both sides compromising, and that just doesn't seem in the cards. Israel would have to abandon the settlements and agree to a Palestinian state. The Palestinians would have to give up the land that's Israel once and for all. Can anybody see both of these compromises happening?

They have to. It's the only way out of this never ended situation.

Israel’s end game is complete control of the area and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. It can delay, deny, destroy for another 80 years without a problem. It’s rich and protected by sophisticated armies. They have all the time in the world. There is no incentive for Israel to compromise.

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Anonymous wrote:So what's the update? Israel has shown remarkable restraint. I hope they can retrieve all of the hostages. How is it possible that Hamas built so much infrastructure under UN observer and aid worker noses? It really makes me question their role. I know aid needs to get to Palestinians, and yes, I think it should be conditional. If the aid money is going to buy arms, it's sort of pointless anyway.

It seems you have a high tolerance for Israel's wartime depravity because the last I checked, Israel was still bombing Gaza.

Israel declared war. So war it is.

Uhhhwhat? Did you forget the part about how this started, when Hamas, the group that governs Gaza, declared war on Israel?

Did you forget the 13,000 Palestinians Israel killed before the latest Hamas attack? Do those people not count? It's like pro-Israel people have collective amnesia when it comes to dead Palestinians. The Hamas massacre wasn't some random attack, there is a history between the two sides.

Yeah keep parroting the dead Palestinians. Others have said time and again the barbarity of the current attacks and the status of the current hostages reflect cruelty asides of usual casualties of conflict.

Also there is a difference between resistance and needless cruelty. Raping, killing children and babies and torturing hostages on video don’t exactly help the cause of the Palestinian people.

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Anonymous wrote:So what's the update? Israel has shown remarkable restraint. I hope they can retrieve all of the hostages. How is it possible that Hamas built so much infrastructure under UN observer and aid worker noses? It really makes me question their role. I know aid needs to get to Palestinians, and yes, I think it should be conditional. If the aid money is going to buy arms, it's sort of pointless anyway.

It seems you have a high tolerance for Israel's wartime depravity because the last I checked, Israel was still bombing Gaza.

Israel declared war. So war it is.

Uhhhwhat? Did you forget the part about how this started, when Hamas, the group that governs Gaza, declared war on Israel?

Did you forget the 13,000 Palestinians Israel killed before the latest Hamas attack? Do those people not count? It's like pro-Israel people have collective amnesia when it comes to dead Palestinians. The Hamas massacre wasn't some random attack, there is a history between the two sides.

Hamas is truly evil to do this to its people. The PLO was the predecessor of Hamas that put their people in this horrendous position. Terrorism is not the way to get what you want.

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Anonymous wrote:Officials further said there had been 115 attacks on healthcare facilities and the majority of hospitals in Gaza are not functioning, with water and electricity scarce.

"Concerns over dehydration and waterborne diseases are high given the collapse of water and sanitation services," the UN Palestinian refugee agency UNRWA said in a statement. "People will start dying without water

Might be a good idea to let hostages go so you can save your own people. Unless that isn't your goal.

So you are killing your own hostages to save them?

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Anonymous wrote:Officials further said there had been 115 attacks on healthcare facilities and the majority of hospitals in Gaza are not functioning, with water and electricity scarce.

"Concerns over dehydration and waterborne diseases are high given the collapse of water and sanitation services," the UN Palestinian refugee agency UNRWA said in a statement. "People will start dying without water

This is terrible. I hope Hamas releases the hostages and starts helping their people.

Hamas = ISIS.

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Anonymous wrote:Officials further said there had been 115 attacks on healthcare facilities and the majority of hospitals in Gaza are not functioning, with water and electricity scarce.

"Concerns over dehydration and waterborne diseases are high given the collapse of water and sanitation services," the UN Palestinian refugee agency UNRWA said in a statement. "People will start dying without water

This is terrible. I hope Hamas releases the hostages and starts helping their people.

Hamas = ISIS.

Hamas is a designated terrorist organization, not a government.

They do not help anyone, not even the Palestinians.

Hamas is literally trapping Palestinian people in Northern Gaza; holding them back at gunpoint, for use as human shields.

Hamas is the enemy of the Palestinian people.