Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

[Anonymous]

They missed the ransom deadline

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Anonymous wrote:They missed the ransom deadline

There were 2 deadlines, the next is next monday.

But there is no proof of life so that one will be missed too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They missed the ransom deadline

There were 2 deadlines, the next is next monday.

But there is no proof of life so that one will be missed too.

What kidnapper gives two deadlines? That would defeat the purpose of kidnapping the person.

[Anonymous]

Her blood was on the front porch which is not a good sign

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Anonymous wrote:Sad to say but they're most likely looking for a body at this point. She has been missing almost a week come tomorrow.

I was thinking the same thing this morning. I also think that the ransom note is fake or a distraction. I don’t think they had/have her or she is already dead.

I also don’t think it’s the brother-in-law. I just can’t imagine why someone would take her in the middle of the night without stealing anything or without an obvious motive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They missed the ransom deadline

There were 2 deadlines, the next is next monday.

But there is no proof of life so that one will be missed too.

What kidnapper gives two deadlines? That would defeat the purpose of kidnapping the person.

I think the ransom is fake. The FBI said it was unusual to not say how they would meet.

[Anonymous]

I am not a conspiracy theorist, at least not until now. I mean the whole Epstein thing is a conspiracy theory coming true before our eyes.

I think it is unlikely that the family is involved in this.

It's likely one of these three:

A contractor or worker who has some familiarity with her and her house concocted this plan and maybe they are not following up with the deadlines because she has died and their plan is going south.

The drug cartel or organized crime thought this could be a way to make some money. They might have researched some celebrities who have family members easy for picking.

Someone involved in the Epstein situation (maybe in the admin but not necessarily Trump or even with his knowledge) planned this as a distraction. Again, maybe researched a celebrity who has a family member that would be easy to grab. Or picked Savannah because she has interviewed victims. I don't think the mom is alive and they are doing the ransom/bitcoin stuff to drag out the distraction as long as possible.

No matter what it is of course very sad but let's face it, has also captured national attention.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:They missed the ransom deadline

There were 2 deadlines, the next is next monday.

But there is no proof of life so that one will be missed too.

What kidnapper gives two deadlines? That would defeat the purpose of kidnapping the person.

These ransom notes aren’t real. Scam artists and attention seekers put out fake ransom notes these days in the hopes a desperate family will cash app them.

[Anonymous]

The Epstein crew went after savannahs mother is another theory out there

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not a conspiracy theorist, at least not until now. I mean the whole Epstein thing is a conspiracy theory coming true before our eyes.

I think it is unlikely that the family is involved in this.

It's likely one of these three:

A contractor or worker who has some familiarity with her and her house concocted this plan and maybe they are not following up with the deadlines because she has died and their plan is going south.

The drug cartel or organized crime thought this could be a way to make some money. They might have researched some celebrities who have family members easy for picking.

Someone involved in the Epstein situation (maybe in the admin but not necessarily Trump or even with his knowledge) planned this as a distraction. Again, maybe researched a celebrity who has a family member that would be easy to grab. Or picked Savannah because she has interviewed victims. I don't think the mom is alive and they are doing the ransom/bitcoin stuff to drag out the distraction as long as possible.

No matter what it is of course very sad but let's face it, has also captured national attention.

My vote is failure to launch neighbor kid, then contractor then brother in law.

It's not drug cartel (FFS) or Frump. But it could be someone like the guy who tried to save the kids from the Pizzagate... a crazy conspiracy theorist saving the world. Maybe. Doubt it. 1% chance.

[Anonymous]

It could be an uber driver that she was too friendly with and bragged about being savannah Guthrie’s mom.

Apparently she used uber often

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Anonymous wrote:If burglars arrived, the cameras would have caught the footage. They cannot disable cameras in advance, only a relative or family caretaker can do that

Wrong. It is very easy to disable wifi cameras and you don't have to be that close to them to do it.

I agree that I think it is a family member or someone close to them.

The reason why I don’t think it is is because this is not a typical case. if this were a younger person, police would not have gotten involved as quickly - if she hadn’t shown up at church and she was young and healthy the police would’ve asked to give it more time.

Because she was 84 and a huge reason older people go missing is because they wander off, they got the police involved earlier. Further, this is not a typical case, it’s incredibly high profile.

So the typical family member did it is weird to me because this person, to get away with it for a week, would’ve had to be really organized and really outsmarting federal agents very quickly.

I’m just thinking of the last two high profile kidnappings that I know of, Elizabeth Smart, and the young girl, Jamie I think, who was kidnapped at her home and eventually escaped (sadly, the kidnapper had killed her parents to get her). In both instances it was a random stranger who had been watching them, but was not known to the family. that makes it much harder to find because instead of a pool with like 12 people to investigate you have to investigate the world.

Clearly the motive for the two young girls were very different than Savannah‘s mother but again this being such a high profile case, it feels weird that a random family member would be so good at this. I just saw on morning Joe that NBC corporate security is working with Savannah to see about past threats, etc.

There have been several missing women the police got involved with early only to find their lying husbands killed them? High profile like Laci Peterson, Ana Walshe or Jennifer Dulos? Police get involved when it's unusual for someone to be missing. An elderly person, mother, child, etc.

Right, but the people that you named were younger able-bodied adults. And in those cases, they will wait 24 hours unless you can show extenuating circumstances. If your husband promised you’d be home from work and he’s two hours late, the police aren’t going to start an investigation, sorry. Even if you think it’s concerning. What I’m pointing out is this is different than a typical domestic violence case because the woman was elderly, so the police got involved quicker than they normally would.

Add to the fact that this is going to be an incredibly high profile case because it’s a national figures mother, and it just would be odd that some bumbling relative who wanted to get some money or had a bone to pick would be getting away with it for this long. That’s all I’m saying.

The age of the woman, and therefore the speed of a police investigation, and the high profile nature of this case, makes it seem like this is a more organized attack than just a disgruntled relative.

Right but the PP said if it was a younger person the police wouldn't have been involved. That is demonstrably false.

[Anonymous]

Has anyone seen any specifics on when the local stations (not tmz) first received the ransom note? Was it after the kidnapping made major news? That would seem the most relevant question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Epstein crew went after savannahs mother is another theory out there

And I’m sure there are plenty of people dumb enough to believe something like that

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If burglars arrived, the cameras would have caught the footage. They cannot disable cameras in advance, only a relative or family caretaker can do that

Wrong. It is very easy to disable wifi cameras and you don't have to be that close to them to do it.

I agree that I think it is a family member or someone close to them.

The reason why I don’t think it is is because this is not a typical case. if this were a younger person, police would not have gotten involved as quickly - if she hadn’t shown up at church and she was young and healthy the police would’ve asked to give it more time.

Because she was 84 and a huge reason older people go missing is because they wander off, they got the police involved earlier. Further, this is not a typical case, it’s incredibly high profile.

So the typical family member did it is weird to me because this person, to get away with it for a week, would’ve had to be really organized and really outsmarting federal agents very quickly.

I’m just thinking of the last two high profile kidnappings that I know of, Elizabeth Smart, and the young girl, Jamie I think, who was kidnapped at her home and eventually escaped (sadly, the kidnapper had killed her parents to get her). In both instances it was a random stranger who had been watching them, but was not known to the family. that makes it much harder to find because instead of a pool with like 12 people to investigate you have to investigate the world.

Clearly the motive for the two young girls were very different than Savannah‘s mother but again this being such a high profile case, it feels weird that a random family member would be so good at this. I just saw on morning Joe that NBC corporate security is working with Savannah to see about past threats, etc.

There have been several missing women the police got involved with early only to find their lying husbands killed them? High profile like Laci Peterson, Ana Walshe or Jennifer Dulos? Police get involved when it's unusual for someone to be missing. An elderly person, mother, child, etc.

Right, but the people that you named were younger able-bodied adults. And in those cases, they will wait 24 hours unless you can show extenuating circumstances. If your husband promised you’d be home from work and he’s two hours late, the police aren’t going to start an investigation, sorry. Even if you think it’s concerning. What I’m pointing out is this is different than a typical domestic violence case because the woman was elderly, so the police got involved quicker than they normally would.

Add to the fact that this is going to be an incredibly high profile case because it’s a national figures mother, and it just would be odd that some bumbling relative who wanted to get some money or had a bone to pick would be getting away with it for this long. That’s all I’m saying.

The age of the woman, and therefore the speed of a police investigation, and the high profile nature of this case, makes it seem like this is a more organized attack than just a disgruntled relative.

Did you forget the dentist and his wife recently killed? The police went right to the house when he was late for work. This 24 hour thing exists in your head.