Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

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Anonymous wrote:Sad to say but they're most likely looking for a body at this point. She has been missing almost a week come tomorrow.

I was thinking the same thing this morning. I also think that the ransom note is fake or a distraction. I don’t think they had/have her or she is already dead.

I also don’t think it’s the brother-in-law. I just can’t imagine why someone would take her in the middle of the night without stealing anything or without an obvious motive.

If she answered the door, it was someone she knew. The sheriff said yesterday it was not forced entry so it implies it was someone who knew her. The police department can’t let the sis and BiL know they’re on to them in case they try to escape to Mexico. They have to play it close to the chest and not freak out any suspects. The key to this case is if there was forced entry or not. Savannah’s mother still had her faculties and no doubt would’ve called 911 if a stranger was knocking at her door in the middle of the night

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Anonymous wrote:If burglars arrived, the cameras would have caught the footage. They cannot disable cameras in advance, only a relative or family caretaker can do that

Wrong. It is very easy to disable wifi cameras and you don't have to be that close to them to do it.

I agree that I think it is a family member or someone close to them.

The reason why I don’t think it is is because this is not a typical case. if this were a younger person, police would not have gotten involved as quickly - if she hadn’t shown up at church and she was young and healthy the police would’ve asked to give it more time.

Because she was 84 and a huge reason older people go missing is because they wander off, they got the police involved earlier. Further, this is not a typical case, it’s incredibly high profile.

So the typical family member did it is weird to me because this person, to get away with it for a week, would’ve had to be really organized and really outsmarting federal agents very quickly.

I’m just thinking of the last two high profile kidnappings that I know of, Elizabeth Smart, and the young girl, Jamie I think, who was kidnapped at her home and eventually escaped (sadly, the kidnapper had killed her parents to get her). In both instances it was a random stranger who had been watching them, but was not known to the family. that makes it much harder to find because instead of a pool with like 12 people to investigate you have to investigate the world.

Clearly the motive for the two young girls were very different than Savannah‘s mother but again this being such a high profile case, it feels weird that a random family member would be so good at this. I just saw on morning Joe that NBC corporate security is working with Savannah to see about past threats, etc.

There have been several missing women the police got involved with early only to find their lying husbands killed them? High profile like Laci Peterson, Ana Walshe or Jennifer Dulos? Police get involved when it's unusual for someone to be missing. An elderly person, mother, child, etc.

Right, but the people that you named were younger able-bodied adults. And in those cases, they will wait 24 hours unless you can show extenuating circumstances. If your husband promised you’d be home from work and he’s two hours late, the police aren’t going to start an investigation, sorry. Even if you think it’s concerning. What I’m pointing out is this is different than a typical domestic violence case because the woman was elderly, so the police got involved quicker than they normally would.

Add to the fact that this is going to be an incredibly high profile case because it’s a national figures mother, and it just would be odd that some bumbling relative who wanted to get some money or had a bone to pick would be getting away with it for this long. That’s all I’m saying.

The age of the woman, and therefore the speed of a police investigation, and the high profile nature of this case, makes it seem like this is a more organized attack than just a disgruntled relative.

Did you forget the dentist and his wife recently killed? The police went right to the house when he was late for work. This 24 hour thing exists in your head.

It depends how connected you are to the cops. I remember Karina Vetrano was reported missing by her dad a few hours after she went missing and she was found by the dad and his neighbor (a police chief) at 9pm that night. She was 30 yet cops didn’t wait 24 hours to complete a missing person search but I know cops sometimes wait more than 24 hours for underage teenagers (15+)

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I don’t think people realize how often it occurs that the perpetrators are the ones who call 911 and report a “missing” person.

Who reported Nancy missing? The sister or the BIL?

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Anonymous wrote:They missed the ransom deadline

There were 2 deadlines, the next is next monday.

But there is no proof of life so that one will be missed too.

What kidnapper gives two deadlines? That would defeat the purpose of kidnapping the person.

I think the ransom is fake. The FBI said it was unusual to not say how they would meet.

Who from the FBI? I don't think it was someone experienced.

First note often gives amount and stayed tuned for location.
Second gives location so law enforcement doesn't have much time to set up surveillance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If burglars arrived, the cameras would have caught the footage. They cannot disable cameras in advance, only a relative or family caretaker can do that

Wrong. It is very easy to disable wifi cameras and you don't have to be that close to them to do it.

I agree that I think it is a family member or someone close to them.

The reason why I don’t think it is is because this is not a typical case. if this were a younger person, police would not have gotten involved as quickly - if she hadn’t shown up at church and she was young and healthy the police would’ve asked to give it more time.

Because she was 84 and a huge reason older people go missing is because they wander off, they got the police involved earlier. Further, this is not a typical case, it’s incredibly high profile.

So the typical family member did it is weird to me because this person, to get away with it for a week, would’ve had to be really organized and really outsmarting federal agents very quickly.

I’m just thinking of the last two high profile kidnappings that I know of, Elizabeth Smart, and the young girl, Jamie I think, who was kidnapped at her home and eventually escaped (sadly, the kidnapper had killed her parents to get her). In both instances it was a random stranger who had been watching them, but was not known to the family. that makes it much harder to find because instead of a pool with like 12 people to investigate you have to investigate the world.

Clearly the motive for the two young girls were very different than Savannah‘s mother but again this being such a high profile case, it feels weird that a random family member would be so good at this. I just saw on morning Joe that NBC corporate security is working with Savannah to see about past threats, etc.

There have been several missing women the police got involved with early only to find their lying husbands killed them? High profile like Laci Peterson, Ana Walshe or Jennifer Dulos? Police get involved when it's unusual for someone to be missing. An elderly person, mother, child, etc.

Right, but the people that you named were younger able-bodied adults. And in those cases, they will wait 24 hours unless you can show extenuating circumstances. If your husband promised you’d be home from work and he’s two hours late, the police aren’t going to start an investigation, sorry. Even if you think it’s concerning. What I’m pointing out is this is different than a typical domestic violence case because the woman was elderly, so the police got involved quicker than they normally would.

Add to the fact that this is going to be an incredibly high profile case because it’s a national figures mother, and it just would be odd that some bumbling relative who wanted to get some money or had a bone to pick would be getting away with it for this long. That’s all I’m saying.

The age of the woman, and therefore the speed of a police investigation, and the high profile nature of this case, makes it seem like this is a more organized attack than just a disgruntled relative.

Did you forget the dentist and his wife recently killed? The police went right to the house when he was late for work. This 24 hour thing exists in your head.

It depends how connected you are to the cops. I remember Karina Vetrano was reported missing by her dad a few hours after she went missing and she was found by the dad and his neighbor (a police chief) at 9pm that night. She was 30 yet cops didn’t wait 24 hours to complete a missing person search but I know cops sometimes wait more than 24 hours for underage teenagers (15+)

So it really depends on the person or circumstances. Which is how it should be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sad to say but they're most likely looking for a body at this point. She has been missing almost a week come tomorrow.

I was thinking the same thing this morning. I also think that the ransom note is fake or a distraction. I don’t think they had/have her or she is already dead.

I also don’t think it’s the brother-in-law. I just can’t imagine why someone would take her in the middle of the night without stealing anything or without an obvious motive.

If she answered the door, it was someone she knew. The sheriff said yesterday it was not forced entry so it implies it was someone who knew her. The police department can’t let the sis and BiL know they’re on to them in case they try to escape to Mexico. They have to play it close to the chest and not freak out any suspects. The key to this case is if there was forced entry or not. Savannah’s mother still had her faculties and no doubt would’ve called 911 if a stranger was knocking at her door in the middle of the night

But what would the motive be for the sister or BIL to do that? I don’t think it is them

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think people realize how often it occurs that the perpetrators are the ones who call 911 and report a “missing” person.

Who reported Nancy missing? The sister or the BIL?

The church friends notified the family who then called 911. If any of the family was involved trying to keep it under wraps the church friends blew their cover.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If burglars arrived, the cameras would have caught the footage. They cannot disable cameras in advance, only a relative or family caretaker can do that

Wrong. It is very easy to disable wifi cameras and you don't have to be that close to them to do it.

I agree that I think it is a family member or someone close to them.

The reason why I don’t think it is is because this is not a typical case. if this were a younger person, police would not have gotten involved as quickly - if she hadn’t shown up at church and she was young and healthy the police would’ve asked to give it more time.

Because she was 84 and a huge reason older people go missing is because they wander off, they got the police involved earlier. Further, this is not a typical case, it’s incredibly high profile.

So the typical family member did it is weird to me because this person, to get away with it for a week, would’ve had to be really organized and really outsmarting federal agents very quickly.

I’m just thinking of the last two high profile kidnappings that I know of, Elizabeth Smart, and the young girl, Jamie I think, who was kidnapped at her home and eventually escaped (sadly, the kidnapper had killed her parents to get her). In both instances it was a random stranger who had been watching them, but was not known to the family. that makes it much harder to find because instead of a pool with like 12 people to investigate you have to investigate the world.

Clearly the motive for the two young girls were very different than Savannah‘s mother but again this being such a high profile case, it feels weird that a random family member would be so good at this. I just saw on morning Joe that NBC corporate security is working with Savannah to see about past threats, etc.

There have been several missing women the police got involved with early only to find their lying husbands killed them? High profile like Laci Peterson, Ana Walshe or Jennifer Dulos? Police get involved when it's unusual for someone to be missing. An elderly person, mother, child, etc.

Right, but the people that you named were younger able-bodied adults. And in those cases, they will wait 24 hours unless you can show extenuating circumstances. If your husband promised you’d be home from work and he’s two hours late, the police aren’t going to start an investigation, sorry. Even if you think it’s concerning. What I’m pointing out is this is different than a typical domestic violence case because the woman was elderly, so the police got involved quicker than they normally would.

Add to the fact that this is going to be an incredibly high profile case because it’s a national figures mother, and it just would be odd that some bumbling relative who wanted to get some money or had a bone to pick would be getting away with it for this long. That’s all I’m saying.

The age of the woman, and therefore the speed of a police investigation, and the high profile nature of this case, makes it seem like this is a more organized attack than just a disgruntled relative.

Right but the PP said if it was a younger person the police wouldn't have been involved. That is demonstrably false.

I’m the PP, I’ll clarify what I meant, obviously any missing person of any age would have the police involved. The difference is I do not believe the police would have been involved so quickly, therefore giving their perpetrator more time to cover tracks.

Generally, a missing person for an able bodied adult is a higher bar. If a young person misses church it’s not usually that alarming - could be many reasons. Her family might not have been instantly alarmed as they would for an 84-year-old woman with limited mobility who sticks to a routine.

My only point was that the criminal would have more time to cover tracks. Given the immediate police involvement and the fact that they still haven’t closed the case I think this is a highly orchestrated crime and not a disgruntled family member.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If burglars arrived, the cameras would have caught the footage. They cannot disable cameras in advance, only a relative or family caretaker can do that

Wrong. It is very easy to disable wifi cameras and you don't have to be that close to them to do it.

I agree that I think it is a family member or someone close to them.

The reason why I don’t think it is is because this is not a typical case. if this were a younger person, police would not have gotten involved as quickly - if she hadn’t shown up at church and she was young and healthy the police would’ve asked to give it more time.

Because she was 84 and a huge reason older people go missing is because they wander off, they got the police involved earlier. Further, this is not a typical case, it’s incredibly high profile.

So the typical family member did it is weird to me because this person, to get away with it for a week, would’ve had to be really organized and really outsmarting federal agents very quickly.

I’m just thinking of the last two high profile kidnappings that I know of, Elizabeth Smart, and the young girl, Jamie I think, who was kidnapped at her home and eventually escaped (sadly, the kidnapper had killed her parents to get her). In both instances it was a random stranger who had been watching them, but was not known to the family. that makes it much harder to find because instead of a pool with like 12 people to investigate you have to investigate the world.

Clearly the motive for the two young girls were very different than Savannah‘s mother but again this being such a high profile case, it feels weird that a random family member would be so good at this. I just saw on morning Joe that NBC corporate security is working with Savannah to see about past threats, etc.

There have been several missing women the police got involved with early only to find their lying husbands killed them? High profile like Laci Peterson, Ana Walshe or Jennifer Dulos? Police get involved when it's unusual for someone to be missing. An elderly person, mother, child, etc.

Right, but the people that you named were younger able-bodied adults. And in those cases, they will wait 24 hours unless you can show extenuating circumstances. If your husband promised you’d be home from work and he’s two hours late, the police aren’t going to start an investigation, sorry. Even if you think it’s concerning. What I’m pointing out is this is different than a typical domestic violence case because the woman was elderly, so the police got involved quicker than they normally would.

Add to the fact that this is going to be an incredibly high profile case because it’s a national figures mother, and it just would be odd that some bumbling relative who wanted to get some money or had a bone to pick would be getting away with it for this long. That’s all I’m saying.

The age of the woman, and therefore the speed of a police investigation, and the high profile nature of this case, makes it seem like this is a more organized attack than just a disgruntled relative.

Right but the PP said if it was a younger person the police wouldn't have been involved. That is demonstrably false.

I’m the PP, I’ll clarify what I meant, obviously any missing person of any age would have the police involved. The difference is I do not believe the police would have been involved so quickly, therefore giving their perpetrator more time to cover tracks.

Generally, a missing person for an able bodied adult is a higher bar. If a young person misses church it’s not usually that alarming - could be many reasons. Her family might not have been instantly alarmed as they would for an 84-year-old woman with limited mobility who sticks to a routine.

My only point was that the criminal would have more time to cover tracks. Given the immediate police involvement and the fact that they still haven’t closed the case I think this is a highly orchestrated crime and not a disgruntled family member.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Omg. Why does anyone give a sht about this random old woman?

People are getting disappeared every day. Or shot in the face on the street.

We already discussed those. Move along or revive those threads and keep going on and on about them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:They missed the ransom deadline

There were 2 deadlines, the next is next monday.

But there is no proof of life so that one will be missed too.

What kidnapper gives two deadlines? That would defeat the purpose of kidnapping the person.

I think the ransom is fake. The FBI said it was unusual to not say how they would meet.

Who from the FBI? I don't think it was someone experienced.

First note often gives amount and stayed tuned for location.
Second gives location so law enforcement doesn't have much time to set up surveillance.

lol okay Cagney.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Omg. Why does anyone give a sht about this random old woman?

People are getting disappeared every day. Or shot in the face on the street.

We love that sh*t too.

[Anonymous]

If it's someone from her family, how did they plan to spend the ransom money? LE won't let them go overseas unless this is solved. Any big purchase they make would look suspicious, even if they were not involved.
Does anyone know if they moved a year ago because of their job or to live closer to Nancy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If burglars arrived, the cameras would have caught the footage. They cannot disable cameras in advance, only a relative or family caretaker can do that

Wrong. It is very easy to disable wifi cameras and you don't have to be that close to them to do it.

I agree that I think it is a family member or someone close to them.

The reason why I don’t think it is is because this is not a typical case. if this were a younger person, police would not have gotten involved as quickly - if she hadn’t shown up at church and she was young and healthy the police would’ve asked to give it more time.

Because she was 84 and a huge reason older people go missing is because they wander off, they got the police involved earlier. Further, this is not a typical case, it’s incredibly high profile.

So the typical family member did it is weird to me because this person, to get away with it for a week, would’ve had to be really organized and really outsmarting federal agents very quickly.

I’m just thinking of the last two high profile kidnappings that I know of, Elizabeth Smart, and the young girl, Jamie I think, who was kidnapped at her home and eventually escaped (sadly, the kidnapper had killed her parents to get her). In both instances it was a random stranger who had been watching them, but was not known to the family. that makes it much harder to find because instead of a pool with like 12 people to investigate you have to investigate the world.

Clearly the motive for the two young girls were very different than Savannah‘s mother but again this being such a high profile case, it feels weird that a random family member would be so good at this. I just saw on morning Joe that NBC corporate security is working with Savannah to see about past threats, etc.

There have been several missing women the police got involved with early only to find their lying husbands killed them? High profile like Laci Peterson, Ana Walshe or Jennifer Dulos? Police get involved when it's unusual for someone to be missing. An elderly person, mother, child, etc.

Right, but the people that you named were younger able-bodied adults. And in those cases, they will wait 24 hours unless you can show extenuating circumstances. If your husband promised you’d be home from work and he’s two hours late, the police aren’t going to start an investigation, sorry. Even if you think it’s concerning. What I’m pointing out is this is different than a typical domestic violence case because the woman was elderly, so the police got involved quicker than they normally would.

Add to the fact that this is going to be an incredibly high profile case because it’s a national figures mother, and it just would be odd that some bumbling relative who wanted to get some money or had a bone to pick would be getting away with it for this long. That’s all I’m saying.

The age of the woman, and therefore the speed of a police investigation, and the high profile nature of this case, makes it seem like this is a more organized attack than just a disgruntled relative.

Right but the PP said if it was a younger person the police wouldn't have been involved. That is demonstrably false.

I’m the PP, I’ll clarify what I meant, obviously any missing person of any age would have the police involved. The difference is I do not believe the police would have been involved so quickly, therefore giving their perpetrator more time to cover tracks.

Generally, a missing person for an able bodied adult is a higher bar. If a young person misses church it’s not usually that alarming - could be many reasons. Her family might not have been instantly alarmed as they would for an 84-year-old woman with limited mobility who sticks to a routine.

My only point was that the criminal would have more time to cover tracks. Given the immediate police involvement and the fact that they still haven’t closed the case I think this is a highly orchestrated crime and not a disgruntled family member.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

So if your friend doesn’t show up for brunch the police descend? Got it OK.

I don’t know what point you’re trying to make, but it’s not a good one.

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