Friday's "snow?"

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In years past, MCPS always erred on the side of safety. This was particularly true with two hour delays, which don’t need to be made up. Yesterday, MCPS’s decision was based on worrying about whether they made the right call on Tuesday. I find this to be troubling rather than basing it on the present conditions.


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Tuesday’s decision resulted in apology. Yesterday’s decision resulted in justifying.


Because their decision was justified yesterday, whereas closing before-care on Tuesday was not.


Exactly. It's like covid again with the chicken littles.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They need to be willing to open offices and childcare during weather like yesterday and delay or close schools. The roads were totally drivable with some care, and we can't shut down absolutely everything because people can't drive. But the buses have extra challenges and that needs to be acknowledged.

The reason I cheer for the opening yesterday is that lately MCPS has been all or nothing. They seem to think if it is not safe for school buses on residential roads, it can't be safe for anyone, ignoring that the rest of the world is going about the day normally.


Buses really don't have extra challenges. Because of their weight, buses handle snow well.


The multiple mcps bus drivers that I talked to yesterday adamantly disagree with this.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They need to be willing to open offices and childcare during weather like yesterday and delay or close schools. The roads were totally drivable with some care, and we can't shut down absolutely everything because people can't drive. But the buses have extra challenges and that needs to be acknowledged.

The reason I cheer for the opening yesterday is that lately MCPS has been all or nothing. They seem to think if it is not safe for school buses on residential roads, it can't be safe for anyone, ignoring that the rest of the world is going about the day normally.


Buses really don't have extra challenges. Because of their weight, buses handle snow well.


The multiple mcps bus drivers that I talked to yesterday adamantly disagree with this.


Like driving a car, it helps to get experience in a bus. Because MCPS is historically so quick to close, some drivers will have limited experience. The may have been nervous, like when they first started driving. Some may have even slid into things. But remember, accidents in this conditions are typically minor fender benders at slow speeds with minimal injuries.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It was a poor call. Buses were late. Some didn’t show up at all. Kids at my child’s bus stop missed the bus because of accidents that led to traffic delays.

Instead of acknowledging the miss, MCPS sent out an obnoxiously gas-lighty email pretending everything was exactly as it should have been. No, it wasn’t.

I appreciated the email on Tuesday. Yesterday’s email was insulting. And I’m a proponent of kids going to school, but it should have been two-hour delay and those of us actually driving our kids to school / bus stops could see what a cluster it was. So enough of “we were monitoring everything in real time”.


+1000000
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They need to be willing to open offices and childcare during weather like yesterday and delay or close schools. The roads were totally drivable with some care, and we can't shut down absolutely everything because people can't drive. But the buses have extra challenges and that needs to be acknowledged.

The reason I cheer for the opening yesterday is that lately MCPS has been all or nothing. They seem to think if it is not safe for school buses on residential roads, it can't be safe for anyone, ignoring that the rest of the world is going about the day normally.


Buses really don't have extra challenges. Because of their weight, buses handle snow well.


Dependent on tires as well as road conditions. Not many busses handle hilly roads covered in ice. It's dependent on many factors. I wouldn't want to drive a bus in the conditions yesterday. It is one thing to drive my family. It is another beast entirely to be responsible for a bus full of children on roads as bad as yesterday morning.
Anonymous
Haha! This makes me so happy my child attends the private school in my neighborhood. No buses, no closures, no missing teachers, no guns, no underperforming students or any other maladies y'all plebians complain about. Guess you all will have to work harder and put your child in private school so you can finally stop your whining.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They need to be willing to open offices and childcare during weather like yesterday and delay or close schools. The roads were totally drivable with some care, and we can't shut down absolutely everything because people can't drive. But the buses have extra challenges and that needs to be acknowledged.

The reason I cheer for the opening yesterday is that lately MCPS has been all or nothing. They seem to think if it is not safe for school buses on residential roads, it can't be safe for anyone, ignoring that the rest of the world is going about the day normally.


Buses really don't have extra challenges. Because of their weight, buses handle snow well.


The multiple mcps bus drivers that I talked to yesterday adamantly disagree with this.


Like driving a car, it helps to get experience in a bus. Because MCPS is historically so quick to close, some drivers will have limited experience. The may have been nervous, like when they first started driving. Some may have even slid into things. But remember, accidents in this conditions are typically minor fender benders at slow speeds with minimal injuries.


What if the thing you slide into is a kid?

I said this above, but I skidded through a stop sign very, very close to my children’s school, where a lot of kids were walking their normal route. I was going slow. I am used to driving in the northeast. These were untreated side streets and there was ice. Having lived in the northeast, I appreciate the sentiment that we should be able to handle this kind of weather. The fact remains however that many roads were dangerously untreated and I’m shocked school happened as it did.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They need to be willing to open offices and childcare during weather like yesterday and delay or close schools. The roads were totally drivable with some care, and we can't shut down absolutely everything because people can't drive. But the buses have extra challenges and that needs to be acknowledged.

The reason I cheer for the opening yesterday is that lately MCPS has been all or nothing. They seem to think if it is not safe for school buses on residential roads, it can't be safe for anyone, ignoring that the rest of the world is going about the day normally.


Buses really don't have extra challenges. Because of their weight, buses handle snow well.


The multiple mcps bus drivers that I talked to yesterday adamantly disagree with this.


Like driving a car, it helps to get experience in a bus. Because MCPS is historically so quick to close, some drivers will have limited experience. The may have been nervous, like when they first started driving. Some may have even slid into things. But remember, accidents in this conditions are typically minor fender benders at slow speeds with minimal injuries.


What if the thing you slide into is a kid?

I said this above, but I skidded through a stop sign very, very close to my children’s school, where a lot of kids were walking their normal route. I was going slow. I am used to driving in the northeast. These were untreated side streets and there was ice. Having lived in the northeast, I appreciate the sentiment that we should be able to handle this kind of weather. The fact remains however that many roads were dangerously untreated and I’m shocked school happened as it did.


In an area where we are typically only minority inconveniences by snow, we will never have the infrastructure to handle snow and ice efficiently. And we will never get good at driving in snow and ice efficiently.

The email from the county is an embarrassment. And the fact that they couldn’t figure out conditions is bull. My kid works on snow crew in the county driving plows and salt trucks. He got called in to work at
2 am. There is no possible way to make the roads safe in the three hours they had before school buses went out.

There was a bus collision. Kids sat on buses for hours. Kids who needed breakfast didn’t get it. Buses couldn’t reach all of the kids so not everyone could get to school. Teachers couldn’t all get in so some teachers covered multiple classes which means babysitting and damage control not education. It was not business as usual.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They need to be willing to open offices and childcare during weather like yesterday and delay or close schools. The roads were totally drivable with some care, and we can't shut down absolutely everything because people can't drive. But the buses have extra challenges and that needs to be acknowledged.

The reason I cheer for the opening yesterday is that lately MCPS has been all or nothing. They seem to think if it is not safe for school buses on residential roads, it can't be safe for anyone, ignoring that the rest of the world is going about the day normally.


Buses really don't have extra challenges. Because of their weight, buses handle snow well.


The multiple mcps bus drivers that I talked to yesterday adamantly disagree with this.


Like driving a car, it helps to get experience in a bus. Because MCPS is historically so quick to close, some drivers will have limited experience. The may have been nervous, like when they first started driving. Some may have even slid into things. But remember, accidents in this conditions are typically minor fender benders at slow speeds with minimal injuries.


What if the thing you slide into is a kid?

I said this above, but I skidded through a stop sign very, very close to my children’s school, where a lot of kids were walking their normal route. I was going slow. I am used to driving in the northeast. These were untreated side streets and there was ice. Having lived in the northeast, I appreciate the sentiment that we should be able to handle this kind of weather. The fact remains however that many roads were dangerously untreated and I’m shocked school happened as it did.


Better than crashing into kids at full speed, which happens when conditions are good.

You're trying to compare the best-case scenario on a sunny, warm day to the worse-case scenario on a snowy day. That's a ridiculous comparison.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They need to be willing to open offices and childcare during weather like yesterday and delay or close schools. The roads were totally drivable with some care, and we can't shut down absolutely everything because people can't drive. But the buses have extra challenges and that needs to be acknowledged.

The reason I cheer for the opening yesterday is that lately MCPS has been all or nothing. They seem to think if it is not safe for school buses on residential roads, it can't be safe for anyone, ignoring that the rest of the world is going about the day normally.


Buses really don't have extra challenges. Because of their weight, buses handle snow well.


Dependent on tires as well as road conditions. Not many busses handle hilly roads covered in ice. It's dependent on many factors. I wouldn't want to drive a bus in the conditions yesterday. It is one thing to drive my family. It is another beast entirely to be responsible for a bus full of children on roads as bad as yesterday morning.


You either didn't go outside or you don't understand the difference between snow and ice. Buses will do fine in the snow. Just keep moving when you're going up and down hill or around turns. You want to avoid stopping and sudden acceleration. That's the most common mistake I see here.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They need to be willing to open offices and childcare during weather like yesterday and delay or close schools. The roads were totally drivable with some care, and we can't shut down absolutely everything because people can't drive. But the buses have extra challenges and that needs to be acknowledged.

The reason I cheer for the opening yesterday is that lately MCPS has been all or nothing. They seem to think if it is not safe for school buses on residential roads, it can't be safe for anyone, ignoring that the rest of the world is going about the day normally.


Buses really don't have extra challenges. Because of their weight, buses handle snow well.


The multiple mcps bus drivers that I talked to yesterday adamantly disagree with this.


Like driving a car, it helps to get experience in a bus. Because MCPS is historically so quick to close, some drivers will have limited experience. The may have been nervous, like when they first started driving. Some may have even slid into things. But remember, accidents in this conditions are typically minor fender benders at slow speeds with minimal injuries.


What if the thing you slide into is a kid?

I said this above, but I skidded through a stop sign very, very close to my children’s school, where a lot of kids were walking their normal route. I was going slow. I am used to driving in the northeast. These were untreated side streets and there was ice. Having lived in the northeast, I appreciate the sentiment that we should be able to handle this kind of weather. The fact remains however that many roads were dangerously untreated and I’m shocked school happened as it did.


In an area where we are typically only minority inconveniences by snow, we will never have the infrastructure to handle snow and ice efficiently. And we will never get good at driving in snow and ice efficiently.

The email from the county is an embarrassment. And the fact that they couldn’t figure out conditions is bull. My kid works on snow crew in the county driving plows and salt trucks. He got called in to work at
2 am. There is no possible way to make the roads safe in the three hours they had before school buses went out.

There was a bus collision. Kids sat on buses for hours. Kids who needed breakfast didn’t get it. Buses couldn’t reach all of the kids so not everyone could get to school. Teachers couldn’t all get in so some teachers covered multiple classes which means babysitting and damage control not education. It was not business as usual.


Have you ever lived in a northern climate? What do you think happens when it snows? That they have armies of trucks that magically clear snow off the roads as soon as it falls?

No, of course not. With the exception of 270, the roads in Montgomery County were as good or better than you'd expect to find in New York, Michigan, or Wisconsin, or Minnesota. People just understand you can drive in those conditions. You can drive in much worse conditions, actually. And no, they don't have special cars or tires there. Just more common sense.
Anonymous
Anyone saying roads were clear was not driving north on 270 from Rockville to Gaithersburg to try and get to a school. The highway was covered in snow, no clear lanes and multiple accidents in front of me. It was very dangerous
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Anyone saying roads were clear was not driving north on 270 from Rockville to Gaithersburg to try and get to a school. The highway was covered in snow, no clear lanes and multiple accidents in front of me. It was very dangerous


I somewhat agree with this. While 270 was drivable, it was in much rougher shape than it should have been. The conditions improved immediately upon entering Frederick County.

Though, if you're nervous about snow, you should really avoid 270 and the beltway as much as possible. Basically, avoid freeways for lower-speed roads. Too many idiots out there who think they can drive full speed. That's not unique to the DMV. There isn't much risk on non-freeway thoroughfares.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MCPS does not put safety first. That is a lie because they would have called for a delay like every other sensible school district in the area. One teacher at my school was in a car accident while driving to work this morning. Another teacher lost control on an untreated road and needed to be towed out of ditch. They never made it to work. Don’t think they will be coming in on any future snow days no matter what mcps decides. Oh and if your kid goes to a certain hs, they sat in a chaotic gym waiting for teachers to arrive. Many of whom didn’t get there until second period. So teachers came in “delayed” anyway, but at least you had someone to babysit your kid.


Accidents can happen any day.

And while it sucks that some students had teachers who didn't plan for a longer commute, ultimately missing out on an hour or so of class, I don't see why that's reason to make 159,000 other kids needlessly miss class.


As a teacher and a parent whose kids are past before care, and daycare age, I find it fascinating that on Tuesday parents who weren’t teachers were saying it’s entirely unfair to expect them to have back up plans for early care.

But teachers who couldn’t make it to school on time because the time between their childcare drop off and school opening wasn’t long enough to make it to work on time, are “refusing to plan” or “throwing tantrums”.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Haha! This makes me so happy my child attends the private school in my neighborhood. No buses, no closures, no missing teachers, no guns, no underperforming students or any other maladies y'all plebians complain about. Guess you all will have to work harder and put your child in private school so you can finally stop your whining.


Y’all, my’all kids go to private school and I still had to get in the car and drive they’all to school in the snow, because that’s how it works.
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