Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

[Anonymous]

Some defenders in this thread and others seem like parents who have trouble separating criticism of Taylor Swift with their child's identifying so strongly with her.

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

I am not the same poster. Believe it or not, there are lots of people who quietly can’t stand Taylor. That being said, being specific and detailed in explaining why you don’t like Taylor Swift’s is not “begging people to agree with you.”

Take your own advice and “move on,” if you are so bothered by comprehensive critiques of her music.

Dp nothing new is going to be said by the haters
So the thread should end. They don't like her and cannot believe that she is wildly sucessfull. They think their opinion matters more than the millions of fans.

We should stop responding because we know the truth and their mild tantrum won't change the facts.

This thread should end “because nothing new is going to be said?”

What’s it to you if the “haters” go back and forth stating the same things over and over? It’s called freedom of expression and last I heard, it was legal to criticize a “wildly sucessfull [sic]” artist.

If reading these comments bothers you, move along and stop responding!

You don't get to tell me how to respond. And you are haters. Why the quotes?

I can't tell you how to respond, but if you insist on coming onto a thread created specifically to criticize Taylor Swift and then getting angry when you read criticism of Taylor Swift on that thread, I can tell you that you are an idiot.

It's like that guy on the Religion forums who goes on threads created by atheists to discuss atheism to yell at atheists for being atheists. Only it's weirder because that guy really does believe that failure to believe in god or Jesus damns you and your children to eternity in hell. He's crazy, but at least I understand why the stakes are so high for him.

Meanwhile, this thread is full of Taylor Swift fans who apparently can't sleep knowing there is a group of people sitting around thinking negative things about Taylor Swift and sometimes sharing them with each other anonymously on the internet. Imagine caring so much about a billionaire pop star that you need to monitor DCUM threads to make sure not a single criticism of that pop star goes unanswered, even if the answer is to just hurl insults at the people doing the criticism.

But do tell me again how I am sad and pathetic for having a non-mainstream opinion on Taylor Swift.

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

+1
I don't even care who we're arguing about - this is the issue with that nasty human being. Such a blowhard.

No one is saying you can’t like Taylor, we were saying we don’t like her on a thread titled to express that sentiment. And then fans came on talking about how amazing she is. When her music was critiqued in a more detailed manner, the people issuing those criticisms are suddenly “blowhards” and “arbiters of musical taste.” No, they are voicing their opinions. Why can’t they?

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You can. 100%. It’s just sad as hell and a little pathetic, but you absolutely can.

Oh wow, thank you for granting me the permission! How thoughtful of you!

You are more than welcome.
Please note after the 1st of the year you will be charged.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

I am not the same poster. Believe it or not, there are lots of people who quietly can’t stand Taylor. That being said, being specific and detailed in explaining why you don’t like Taylor Swift’s is not “begging people to agree with you.”

Take your own advice and “move on,” if you are so bothered by comprehensive critiques of her music.

Dp nothing new is going to be said by the haters
So the thread should end. They don't like her and cannot believe that she is wildly sucessfull. They think their opinion matters more than the millions of fans.

We should stop responding because we know the truth and their mild tantrum won't change the facts.

This thread should end “because nothing new is going to be said?”

What’s it to you if the “haters” go back and forth stating the same things over and over? It’s called freedom of expression and last I heard, it was legal to criticize a “wildly sucessfull [sic]” artist.

If reading these comments bothers you, move along and stop responding!

You don't get to tell me how to respond. And you are haters. Why the quotes?

DP. You all seem to hate us for not liking Taylor Swift. Doesn't that make you haters too?

Where did you get the idea that we hated you? Please don't flatter yourself. You are not worth it honestly. Just pointing out that your opinion does not matter in where it counts.

Do you ever wonder that it is you that could be wrong? Maybe dig deep why you dislike someone who hasn't committed any offense to you deserves such hate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

I am not the same poster. Believe it or not, there are lots of people who quietly can’t stand Taylor. That being said, being specific and detailed in explaining why you don’t like Taylor Swift’s is not “begging people to agree with you.”

Take your own advice and “move on,” if you are so bothered by comprehensive critiques of her music.

Dp nothing new is going to be said by the haters
So the thread should end. They don't like her and cannot believe that she is wildly sucessfull. They think their opinion matters more than the millions of fans.

We should stop responding because we know the truth and their mild tantrum won't change the facts.

This thread should end “because nothing new is going to be said?”

What’s it to you if the “haters” go back and forth stating the same things over and over? It’s called freedom of expression and last I heard, it was legal to criticize a “wildly sucessfull [sic]” artist.

If reading these comments bothers you, move along and stop responding!

You don't get to tell me how to respond. And you are haters. Why the quotes?

Why the quotes? Um, duh because I was quoting what PP wrote.

Here’s the thing, it’s highly HYPOCRITICAL to: 1) tell people that they’re not allowed to discuss their opinions; 2) and to tell them to stop posting comments; 3) and to say a thread should be close a thread because YOU don’t think it has anything new or interesting to say; 4) and then to turn around and get defensive when someone parrots the same sentiment you just made right back at you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some defenders in this thread and others seem like parents who have trouble separating criticism of Taylor Swift with their child's identifying so strongly with her.

This. What's funny is that one of the things I find most annoying about Taylor Swift is the degree to which she encourages her fans to have a para-social relationship with her, to personally identify with her and make her their avatar. I find it creepy and borderline cult-like (https://omny.fm/shows/sounds-like-a-cult/the-cult-of-taylor-swift) and I'd probably feel less of a need to speak up about how I think her music is pretty mediocre and that she is highly over-rated as an artist were in not for this dynamic. It shuts down all dissent and labels anyone who doesn't agree that Swift is amazing a "hater."

That's why a backlash against Swift exists. There's a place for musicians like Swift and there's nothing wrong with enjoying some catchy, light pop music. But Swift's fans aren't satisfied to simply have an artist they enjoy and consumer her music. They need everyone else to agree that she is good, they need all of her critics to admit they are wrong and eat their words, they need Swift to accomplish complete and total domination of people's musical taste and that's... weird.

Which is why I find myself returning to this thread. I think Taylor Swift is a mediocre talent with an uncanny knack for marketing. And not a single thing anyone has said on this thread in defense of her has changed my mind on those points. Rather, the obsessive need to put down her critics as "pathetic" and "sad" and the obvious personal offense her fans take at any criticism of her tends to back up my existing opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

I am not the same poster. Believe it or not, there are lots of people who quietly can’t stand Taylor. That being said, being specific and detailed in explaining why you don’t like Taylor Swift’s is not “begging people to agree with you.”

Take your own advice and “move on,” if you are so bothered by comprehensive critiques of her music.

Dp nothing new is going to be said by the haters
So the thread should end. They don't like her and cannot believe that she is wildly sucessfull. They think their opinion matters more than the millions of fans.

We should stop responding because we know the truth and their mild tantrum won't change the facts.

This thread should end “because nothing new is going to be said?”

What’s it to you if the “haters” go back and forth stating the same things over and over? It’s called freedom of expression and last I heard, it was legal to criticize a “wildly sucessfull [sic]” artist.

If reading these comments bothers you, move along and stop responding!

You don't get to tell me how to respond. And you are haters. Why the quotes?

I can't tell you how to respond, but if you insist on coming onto a thread created specifically to criticize Taylor Swift and then getting angry when you read criticism of Taylor Swift on that thread, I can tell you that you are an idiot.

It's like that guy on the Religion forums who goes on threads created by atheists to discuss atheism to yell at atheists for being atheists. Only it's weirder because that guy really does believe that failure to believe in god or Jesus damns you and your children to eternity in hell. He's crazy, but at least I understand why the stakes are so high for him.

Meanwhile, this thread is full of Taylor Swift fans who apparently can't sleep knowing there is a group of people sitting around thinking negative things about Taylor Swift and sometimes sharing them with each other anonymously on the internet. Imagine caring so much about a billionaire pop star that you need to monitor DCUM threads to make sure not a single criticism of that pop star goes unanswered, even if the answer is to just hurl insults at the people doing the criticism.

But do tell me again how I am sad and pathetic for having a non-mainstream opinion on Taylor Swift.

+ 1, just from the concise and eloquent way you write, I can appreciate why you’re not a fan of Taylor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some defenders in this thread and others seem like parents who have trouble separating criticism of Taylor Swift with their child's identifying so strongly with her.

This. What's funny is that one of the things I find most annoying about Taylor Swift is the degree to which she encourages her fans to have a para-social relationship with her, to personally identify with her and make her their avatar. I find it creepy and borderline cult-like (https://omny.fm/shows/sounds-like-a-cult/the-cult-of-taylor-swift) and I'd probably feel less of a need to speak up about how I think her music is pretty mediocre and that she is highly over-rated as an artist were in not for this dynamic. It shuts down all dissent and labels anyone who doesn't agree that Swift is amazing a "hater."

That's why a backlash against Swift exists. There's a place for musicians like Swift and there's nothing wrong with enjoying some catchy, light pop music. But Swift's fans aren't satisfied to simply have an artist they enjoy and consumer her music. They need everyone else to agree that she is good, they need all of her critics to admit they are wrong and eat their words, they need Swift to accomplish complete and total domination of people's musical taste and that's... weird.

Which is why I find myself returning to this thread. I think Taylor Swift is a mediocre talent with an uncanny knack for marketing. And not a single thing anyone has said on this thread in defense of her has changed my mind on those points. Rather, the obsessive need to put down her critics as "pathetic" and "sad" and the obvious personal offense her fans take at any criticism of her tends to back up my existing opinion.

+1, it’s like you can read my mind!

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

I am not the same poster. Believe it or not, there are lots of people who quietly can’t stand Taylor. That being said, being specific and detailed in explaining why you don’t like Taylor Swift’s is not “begging people to agree with you.”

Take your own advice and “move on,” if you are so bothered by comprehensive critiques of her music.

Dp nothing new is going to be said by the haters
So the thread should end. They don't like her and cannot believe that she is wildly sucessfull. They think their opinion matters more than the millions of fans.

We should stop responding because we know the truth and their mild tantrum won't change the facts.

This thread should end “because nothing new is going to be said?”

What’s it to you if the “haters” go back and forth stating the same things over and over? It’s called freedom of expression and last I heard, it was legal to criticize a “wildly sucessfull [sic]” artist.

If reading these comments bothers you, move along and stop responding!

You don't get to tell me how to respond. And you are haters. Why the quotes?

DP. You all seem to hate us for not liking Taylor Swift. Doesn't that make you haters too?

Where did you get the idea that we hated you? Please don't flatter yourself. You are not worth it honestly. Just pointing out that your opinion does not matter in where it counts.

Do you ever wonder that it is you that could be wrong? Maybe dig deep why you dislike someone who hasn't committed any offense to you deserves such hate.

I'm "not worth it" but you can't let me have the last word, can you? I dare you not to respond to this:

Taylor Swift is an over-hyped pop star who will be remembered as juggernaut cultural moment but NOT as a musical genius. Her influence on popular music will be exclusively in the arenas of marketing and PR, and not for the better, either. People will breathe a sigh of relief when her moment in the sun passes, and even many who currently claim to be fans will look back and wonder what they were thinking. Taylor Swift is a childish craze we will outgrow and leave behind. Even Swift herself. This thing you care so much about will one day be a mildly embarrassing trend you once got over invested in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

+1
I don't even care who we're arguing about - this is the issue with that nasty human being. Such a blowhard.

No one is saying you can’t like Taylor, we were saying we don’t like her on a thread titled to express that sentiment. And then fans came on talking about how amazing she is. When her music was critiqued in a more detailed manner, the people issuing those criticisms are suddenly “blowhards” and “arbiters of musical taste.” No, they are voicing their opinions. Why can’t they?

Oh, and I forgot PP is also a “nasty human being.” Why? Because she has different musical tastes than you? And has expressed them?

No, because people with a different opinion are being called clowns, idiots, dense, etc. That's objectively nasty. Sorry if the truth hurts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

+1
I don't even care who we're arguing about - this is the issue with that nasty human being. Such a blowhard.

No one is saying you can’t like Taylor, we were saying we don’t like her on a thread titled to express that sentiment. And then fans came on talking about how amazing she is. When her music was critiqued in a more detailed manner, the people issuing those criticisms are suddenly “blowhards” and “arbiters of musical taste.” No, they are voicing their opinions. Why can’t they?

Oh, and I forgot PP is also a “nasty human being.” Why? Because she has different musical tastes than you? And has expressed them?

No, because people with a different opinion are being called clowns, idiots, dense, etc. That's objectively nasty. Sorry if the truth hurts.

When someone posts an asinine comment or response, they are worthy of being called those names.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

I am not the same poster. Believe it or not, there are lots of people who quietly can’t stand Taylor. That being said, being specific and detailed in explaining why you don’t like Taylor Swift’s is not “begging people to agree with you.”

Take your own advice and “move on,” if you are so bothered by comprehensive critiques of her music.

Dp nothing new is going to be said by the haters
So the thread should end. They don't like her and cannot believe that she is wildly sucessfull. They think their opinion matters more than the millions of fans.

We should stop responding because we know the truth and their mild tantrum won't change the facts.

This thread should end “because nothing new is going to be said?”

What’s it to you if the “haters” go back and forth stating the same things over and over? It’s called freedom of expression and last I heard, it was legal to criticize a “wildly sucessfull [sic]” artist.

If reading these comments bothers you, move along and stop responding!

You don't get to tell me how to respond. And you are haters. Why the quotes?

DP. You all seem to hate us for not liking Taylor Swift. Doesn't that make you haters too?

Where did you get the idea that we hated you? Please don't flatter yourself. You are not worth it honestly. Just pointing out that your opinion does not matter in where it counts.

Do you ever wonder that it is you that could be wrong? Maybe dig deep why you dislike someone who hasn't committed any offense to you deserves such hate.

I'm "not worth it" but you can't let me have the last word, can you? I dare you not to respond to this:

Taylor Swift is an over-hyped pop star who will be remembered as juggernaut cultural moment but NOT as a musical genius. Her influence on popular music will be exclusively in the arenas of marketing and PR, and not for the better, either. People will breathe a sigh of relief when her moment in the sun passes, and even many who currently claim to be fans will look back and wonder what they were thinking. Taylor Swift is a childish craze we will outgrow and leave behind. Even Swift herself. This thing you care so much about will one day be a mildly embarrassing trend you once got over invested in.

+1 can you be anymore on point?

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

I am not the same poster. Believe it or not, there are lots of people who quietly can’t stand Taylor. That being said, being specific and detailed in explaining why you don’t like Taylor Swift’s is not “begging people to agree with you.”

Take your own advice and “move on,” if you are so bothered by comprehensive critiques of her music.

Dp nothing new is going to be said by the haters
So the thread should end. They don't like her and cannot believe that she is wildly sucessfull. They think their opinion matters more than the millions of fans.

We should stop responding because we know the truth and their mild tantrum won't change the facts.

This thread should end “because nothing new is going to be said?”

What’s it to you if the “haters” go back and forth stating the same things over and over? It’s called freedom of expression and last I heard, it was legal to criticize a “wildly sucessfull [sic]” artist.

If reading these comments bothers you, move along and stop responding!

You don't get to tell me how to respond. And you are haters. Why the quotes?

DP. You all seem to hate us for not liking Taylor Swift. Doesn't that make you haters too?

Where did you get the idea that we hated you? Please don't flatter yourself. You are not worth it honestly. Just pointing out that your opinion does not matter in where it counts.

Do you ever wonder that it is you that could be wrong? Maybe dig deep why you dislike someone who hasn't committed any offense to you deserves such hate.

The offense she has committed is making extremely mediocre music and being very ubiquitous in the world. And that's what I criticize her for. I don't actually have an opinion on Taylor Swift as a person because I don't know her and -- I really cannot emphasize this enough -- neither do you. The reason you view this thread as a referendum on Swift as a human being, or on you and other Swift fans as people, is that you are unable to separate art from the unknowable artist or the artist from the fan.

There is not right or wrong here, only opinion. It is my opinion that the vast majority of Swift's music is quite middling, some of it actively bad. And while she has a few songs that rise to the level of "very good pop song," she doesn't have a single work that I could point to and say "that song will outlive her." Not one.

I hate Taylor Swift the cultural phenomenon. Taylor Swift the person is not something I'll ever be able to weigh in on and I'm not in the habit of pronouncing people "good" or "bad" anyway -- I'm not Santa Clause or St. Peter at the gates. But then, neither are you, which is why I don't care very much if you think Swift is some kind of personal hero or that I am an evil witch.

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

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I don't even care who we're arguing about - this is the issue with that nasty human being. Such a blowhard.

No one is saying you can’t like Taylor, we were saying we don’t like her on a thread titled to express that sentiment. And then fans came on talking about how amazing she is. When her music was critiqued in a more detailed manner, the people issuing those criticisms are suddenly “blowhards” and “arbiters of musical taste.” No, they are voicing their opinions. Why can’t they?

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You can. 100%. It’s just sad as hell and a little pathetic, but you absolutely can.

When I was a teenager, when I'd disagree with my dad, who was and is a physically and emotionally abusive narcissist, he'd do this thing when he'd lost an argument where he'd get really calm and condescending.

"Of course, you can dress however you'd like, dear. You'll look like a pathetic little whore, but you can of course decide what clothes to put on your body."

"You are of course entitled to your opinion. You sound like an ignorant, idiot bleeding heart liberal, but it's a free country."

I wonder why I thought of that just now.

comparing an anon poster writing an offhand one line comment to another anon poster....is NOT the same as the parent emotionally abusing a teen. Like at all. That said, your dad sucks and I'm sorry you had to go through that.

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Anonymous wrote:Some defenders in this thread and others seem like parents who have trouble separating criticism of Taylor Swift with their child's identifying so strongly with her.

This. What's funny is that one of the things I find most annoying about Taylor Swift is the degree to which she encourages her fans to have a para-social relationship with her, to personally identify with her and make her their avatar. I find it creepy and borderline cult-like (https://omny.fm/shows/sounds-like-a-cult/the-cult-of-taylor-swift) and I'd probably feel less of a need to speak up about how I think her music is pretty mediocre and that she is highly over-rated as an artist were in not for this dynamic. It shuts down all dissent and labels anyone who doesn't agree that Swift is amazing a "hater."

That's why a backlash against Swift exists. There's a place for musicians like Swift and there's nothing wrong with enjoying some catchy, light pop music. But Swift's fans aren't satisfied to simply have an artist they enjoy and consumer her music. They need everyone else to agree that she is good, they need all of her critics to admit they are wrong and eat their words, they need Swift to accomplish complete and total domination of people's musical taste and that's... weird.

Which is why I find myself returning to this thread. I think Taylor Swift is a mediocre talent with an uncanny knack for marketing. And not a single thing anyone has said on this thread in defense of her has changed my mind on those points. Rather, the obsessive need to put down her critics as "pathetic" and "sad" and the obvious personal offense her fans take at any criticism of her tends to back up my existing opinion.

I think we should drink every time someone uses the phrase "para social relationship" on this thread. I am so, so tired of that phrase. I get that we all discovered it recently and we think it makes us sound informed, but it really doesn't. Para-social is the new declaring everyone and everything a "narcissist!"