Billionaire heiress abducted during her Friday morning run in Memphis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a terrible thing to happen to this young mom.

Can we just refer to her as a woman or a human being? This isn’t terrible because she’s young or a mother.

She is a young mom and she has young kids who have lost their mother. This compounds the tragedy.

Okay, but I hope you’re not one of the people who talks about how sad and unjust it is that there are so many missing/murdered women who no one is even looking for. People think some lives are more valuable and some deaths more tragic than others, and you obviously do too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a terrible thing to happen to this young mom.

Can we just refer to her as a woman or a human being? This isn’t terrible because she’s young or a mother.

She is a young mom and she has young kids who have lost their mother. This compounds the tragedy.

Okay, but I hope you’re not one of the people who talks about how sad and unjust it is that there are so many missing/murdered women who no one is even looking for. People think some lives are more valuable and some deaths more tragic than others, and you obviously do too.

I think the young mother's life was more valuable than the killer's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a terrible thing to happen to this young mom.

Can we just refer to her as a woman or a human being? This isn’t terrible because she’s young or a mother.

She is a young mom and she has young kids who have lost their mother. This compounds the tragedy.

Okay, but I hope you’re not one of the people who talks about how sad and unjust it is that there are so many missing/murdered women who no one is even looking for. People think some lives are more valuable and some deaths more tragic than others, and you obviously do too.

Yep. Np

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding why there’s more hatred being directed to the victim and her husband versus the monster who took her. Violent repeat offenders should be put to death.

Yep.

People blame the victim and say the crime could have been prevented if they had taken various steps, because they they can tell themselves, "I will never be randomly attacked because I don't run early in the morning." Just like when a woman is attacked in the evening in a parking lot, they say, "I will never be attacked because I don't go to that mall or wear an outfit like that, etc. etc."

Statistically, women are far more likely to be sexually assaulted and murdered by a person known to them--a partner, family member, or friend--than by a random attacked. But by focus on stranger attacks and the choices a woman could make to prevent that attack, people can feel safer. A woman can choose to wear long skirts and sleeves and refuse to go out without a male chaperone, and still end up attacked.

Women make varying choices about their activity and the choices they make do not cause them to deserve death.[/quote

Sure, anything can happen to anyone at any time. But are you trying to say a woman alone on the streets, in the wee hours of dark night/morning, in a high crime area is not more at risk than say, a woman out shopping at 3pm with her family in Bethesda?

You live in a denial bubble. I was kidnapped + assaulted by 2 dudes in broad daylight by strangers walking down a busy street. No one stopped to help. Stop blaming the victim. You are gross.

Can you do an AMA if you're up for it?

You may ask here. I won't start a separate thread because it may be triggering to see the title for those who have had similar experiences.

I'm so sorry. Where did this happen? Were you able to call out and no one helped you? How did you escape? Again I'm so sorry
and glad you're safe now.

This happened in the midwest when I was a young teenager. I screamed + clawed, but could not tear away because it was 2 big, stinky dudes. And, I was only able to escape after saying I would return. I know it will sound crazy, but I was a very religious Catholic school girl, and I was praying throughout the entire ordeal to stay alive. The dudes said they would kill me. I have no idea why they changed their minds. Of course, I am glad they did. I have spent the rest of my life walking in the middle of the street where possible to avoid being grabbed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Too late for 'what ifs'. The worst has already happened.

The history of crime against women has been such that the BF or DH is always the first suspect, even when a rich woman jogging alone in the dark in a crime ridden city gets kidnapped.

Others need to learn from this. There is zero reason to put yourself in that situation. She may have been a marathon runner but she was also a mother. She should have been more careful and been proactive about her security.

As a childless woman, my life is less valuable so I can run wherever I want.

Childless and unmarried? Yea, you can be self-centered and risky if you want — and pretend you can’t just rack miles on a treadmill or on a fitness center track.

I’m going to speak (type) slowly, because you’re clearly dim.

Distance
And
Marathon
Runners
Train
In
Real
Life
Road
Conditions
Not
On
Treadmills
Or
In
“Fitness
Centers.”

You’re welcome.

In one of the most dangerous, violent cities in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a terrible thing to happen to this young mom.

Can we just refer to her as a woman or a human being? This isn’t terrible because she’s young or a mother.

Young and mother are accurate words to describe her. Stop trying to dehumanize her and minimize the crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too late for 'what ifs'. The worst has already happened.

The history of crime against women has been such that the BF or DH is always the first suspect, even when a rich woman jogging alone in the dark in a crime ridden city gets kidnapped.

Others need to learn from this. There is zero reason to put yourself in that situation. She may have been a marathon runner but she was also a mother. She should have been more careful and been proactive about her security.

As a childless woman, my life is less valuable so I can run wherever I want.

Childless and unmarried? Yea, you can be self-centered and risky if you want — and pretend you can’t just rack miles on a treadmill or on a fitness center track.

I’m going to speak (type) slowly, because you’re clearly dim.

Distance
And
Marathon
Runners
Train
In
Real
Life
Road
Conditions
Not
On
Treadmills
Or
In
“Fitness
Centers.”

You’re welcome.

NP here
I get you pp. These people don't understand. They're the same people that call 5k color runs "marathons."

No one is stopping your marathon training in any area you wish and at any time you prefer. Each of us has the freedom to decide to what degree the risk is worth it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My sister about 20 years ago was mugged running around her college campus early in the morning. The city police quite literally blamed her, were openly mocking her for being so stupid, and told her to stop running alone and so early unless she had a death wish.

The only reason this is getting the press it is and the law enforcement manpower (on a holiday weekend they immediately ran DNA on his shoes!) is because her family is filthy rich and politically connected. Otherwise these apathetic city police departments wouldn’t give a damn. There are probably hundreds of missing women in that region who didn’t get even 1% of this sort of response.

This is fact. I haven’t seen anyone on here dispute this. If this was any of the women from the apartment complex that said the guy in jail was a creeper, the cops would have said wait 48 hours to file a missing persons report…she’s probably on a bender, getting high blah blah. I am glad for her family that the police investigated this immediately. I just wish that happened for all of us. I hope they find her soon, he couldn’t have taken her too far based on the timeline.

MPD also worked this missing persons case over the long weekend. Didn't get as much press but it is heartening to know that they were on it as much as they were on the Fletcher case.

https://www.localmemphis.com/article/news/local/memphis-police-department-searching-for-missing-15-year-old-teenager-persons-find-help-crossfield-cove-tennessee-shelby-county/522-24290319-005a-4b00-9702-8bbc2d396509

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too late for 'what ifs'. The worst has already happened.

The history of crime against women has been such that the BF or DH is always the first suspect, even when a rich woman jogging alone in the dark in a crime ridden city gets kidnapped.

Others need to learn from this. There is zero reason to put yourself in that situation. She may have been a marathon runner but she was also a mother. She should have been more careful and been proactive about her security.

As a childless woman, my life is less valuable so I can run wherever I want.

Childless and unmarried? Yea, you can be self-centered and risky if you want — and pretend you can’t just rack miles on a treadmill or on a fitness center track.

I’m going to speak (type) slowly, because you’re clearly dim.

Distance
And
Marathon
Runners
Train
In
Real
Life
Road
Conditions
Not
On
Treadmills
Or
In
“Fitness
Centers.”

You’re welcome.

Why the scare quotes around fitness center? She lived right next to a D1 athletics university which offers family membership plans to use their facilities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too late for 'what ifs'. The worst has already happened.

The history of crime against women has been such that the BF or DH is always the first suspect, even when a rich woman jogging alone in the dark in a crime ridden city gets kidnapped.

Others need to learn from this. There is zero reason to put yourself in that situation. She may have been a marathon runner but she was also a mother. She should have been more careful and been proactive about her security.

As a childless woman, my life is less valuable so I can run wherever I want.

Childless and unmarried? Yea, you can be self-centered and risky if you want — and pretend you can’t just rack miles on a treadmill or on a fitness center track.

I’m going to speak (type) slowly, because you’re clearly dim.

Distance
And
Marathon
Runners
Train
In
Real
Life
Road
Conditions
Not
On
Treadmills
Or
In
“Fitness
Centers.”

You’re welcome.

NP here
I get you pp. These people don't understand. They're the same people that call 5k color runs "marathons."

Well, she took a risk that she could be abducted, murdered and raped each time she went for a jog alone at 4:30 am in Memphis. And so at least she died doing something she loved to do. Now, was that love more than the love for her life and her kids? Who knows.

Once you are dead - game over, no take backs, no regrets, no second chances.

You also take a risk every time you get in your car and drive. Don't you care about your family? Why take the risk?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a terrible thing to happen to this young mom.

Can we just refer to her as a woman or a human being? This isn’t terrible because she’s young or a mother.

Young and mother are accurate words to describe her. Stop trying to dehumanize her and minimize the crime.

I’m not trying to do either of those things.
I’m trying to remind people that if this happened to a teen runaway or a 45 year old divorcé or an elderly woman it also be tragic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a terrible thing to happen to this young mom.

Can we just refer to her as a woman or a human being? This isn’t terrible because she’s young or a mother.

Young and mother are accurate words to describe her. Stop trying to dehumanize her and minimize the crime.

I’m not trying to do either of those things.
I’m trying to remind people that if this happened to a teen runaway or a 45 year old divorcé or an elderly woman it also be tragic.

Start a new thread. This thread is about Eliza Fletcher, preschool teacher, mom of two, wife who supported a DH through addiction recovery. Her life is worthy of a single DCUM thread. It doesn't need to be derailed by someone who is trying to teach Anonymous posters that all lives matter, or something.

[Anonymous]

Yes it’s true that white blonde women get much more media attention and disproportionate law enforcement attention when they go missing and/or are murdered.

The fundamental lesson in Eliza Fletcher’s death is that even being a ‘billionaire heiress’ doesn’t make one immune to male violence against women, which is epidemic in human society.

Eliza didn’t die because she jogged at 4:30am. This monster could have perpetrated the very same abduction with the same results at 4:30 in the afternoon. Another story of a woman and child abducted in Memphis in broad daylight has been running in the media along with this one.

Eliza is not responsible for her abduction and horrific murder. Only her kidnapper/murderer is responsible.

Reading this thread and all the victim blaming from other women has sickened me. No wonder we make so little progress in the fight against misogyny. Women are raising the men who rape and murder women. How many women here would defend a son against sexual harassment or assault allegations by talking about the slutty way the girl was dressed and how she drank so much at the party?

RIP Eliza. I’m sorry you lived in a society with so many women who hate other women and get some kind of twisted satisfaction when a woman is killed who isn’t them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes it’s true that white blonde women get much more media attention and disproportionate law enforcement attention when they go missing and/or are murdered.

The fundamental lesson in Eliza Fletcher’s death is that even being a ‘billionaire heiress’ doesn’t make one immune to male violence against women, which is epidemic in human society.

Eliza didn’t die because she jogged at 4:30am. This monster could have perpetrated the very same abduction with the same results at 4:30 in the afternoon. Another story of a woman and child abducted in Memphis in broad daylight has been running in the media along with this one.

Eliza is not responsible for her abduction and horrific murder. Only her kidnapper/murderer is responsible.

Reading this thread and all the victim blaming from other women has sickened me. No wonder we make so little progress in the fight against misogyny. Women are raising the men who rape and murder women. How many women here would defend a son against sexual harassment or assault allegations by talking about the slutty way the girl was dressed and how she drank so much at the party?

RIP Eliza. I’m sorry you lived in a society with so many women who hate other women and get some kind of twisted satisfaction when a woman is killed who isn’t them.

Well put. Especially the last two paragraphs.

[Anonymous]

Where are all the posters that swore up and down that the husband was guilty one?