Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of Heard’s other exes came forward with stories of abuse? I know people are pointing to a lack of Depp’s exes with similar stories and I want to know if it’s the same for Heard

Amber Heard's ex gf has spoken out in her defense. Elon Musk and James Franco are testifying for her at the trial. There was some incident with the GF at an airport where someone grabbed someone else's arm but the girlfriend has come out and strenuously said that the incident has been mischaracterized

Are you sure they're on her witness list and not his?

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Yeah. I thought Depp called them as witnesses. It would be strange for her to call them and basically say she cheated on Depp with these guys and even on Depp’s own property but then they say she’s cool and not crazy.

Funny Heard called Depp an old man and then was in a relationship with Musk. Money, I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of Heard’s other exes came forward with stories of abuse? I know people are pointing to a lack of Depp’s exes with similar stories and I want to know if it’s the same for Heard

Amber Heard's ex gf has spoken out in her defense. Elon Musk and James Franco are testifying for her at the trial. There was some incident with the GF at an airport where someone grabbed someone else's arm but the girlfriend has come out and strenuously said that the incident has been mischaracterized

Are you sure they're on her witness list and not his?

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Yeah. I thought Depp called them as witnesses. It would be strange for her to call them and basically say she cheated on Depp with these guys and even on Depp’s own property but then they say she’s cool and not crazy.

Funny Heard called Depp an old man and then was in a relationship with Musk. Money, I guess.

They are testifying on her behalf

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2022/03/elon-musk-james-franco-testify-for-amber-heard-johnny-depp-defamation-lawsuit-washington-post-op-ed

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of Heard’s other exes came forward with stories of abuse? I know people are pointing to a lack of Depp’s exes with similar stories and I want to know if it’s the same for Heard

Amber Heard's ex gf has spoken out in her defense. Elon Musk and James Franco are testifying for her at the trial. There was some incident with the GF at an airport where someone grabbed someone else's arm but the girlfriend has come out and strenuously said that the incident has been mischaracterized

Are you sure they're on her witness list and not his?

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Yeah. I thought Depp called them as witnesses. It would be strange for her to call them and basically say she cheated on Depp with these guys and even on Depp’s own property but then they say she’s cool and not crazy.

Funny Heard called Depp an old man and then was in a relationship with Musk. Money, I guess.

Franco is supposedly testifying that he saw her with bruises in the building, nothing to do with a relationship between them

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Anonymous wrote:Is someone going to give an analysis of him in the same way this person is doing of her? This is a long, bad assessment of her personality, and it can certainly make everyone dislike her and blame her for things. I bet he is enjoying this excoriation a LOT. Was there/will there be similar psychological examination of him?

No. The reason she got the evaluation and not him is because she herself said she suffered from PTSD because of Depp’s abuse (in her countersuit). She opened herself up to it.

Didn't this psychologist say that his attorneys contacted her to do the eval? Why would Heard have to submit to an eval from Depp's selected expert? It's her burden to establish the PTSD in a counterclaim. Then Depp could have a counter expert challenging the opinion of her expert. But how do you get a party in a civil case to do in-person evals with your own expert?

I would be very surprised if they don’t have an expert of their own. But I don’t know the particulars of how this went down.

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I am not sure of what went down during the pretrial stage, but there is a Discovery Rule in Virginia that permits the court to order, even over objection, an independent medical exam (which includes a mental health evaluation if that is what at issue) by a professional selected by the other party. So, while I am not sure that this happened, if Amber Heard put her own mental at issue by making claims of PTSD or what have you, then the other side had the right to request that she undergo a mental health examination with a doctor of their choosing. See below:

Order for Examination. When the mental or physical condition (including the blood group) of a party, or of a person in the custody or under the legal control of a party, is in controversy, the court in which the action is pending, upon motion of an adverse party, may order the party to submit to a physical or mental examination by one or more health care providers, as defined in § 8.01-581.1, employed by the moving party or to produce for examination the person in the party's custody or legal control. The order may be made only on motion for good cause shown and upon notice to the person to be examined and to all parties, must specify the time, place, manner, conditions, and scope of the examination and the person or persons by whom it is to be made, and must fix the time for filing the report and furnishing the copies.

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Did Amber Heard have a psych evalulation? Is this what this psychologist is referencing?

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So Depp's attys said this psychologist was going to issue a number of damaging opinions (that Heard was lying about having suffered domestic abuse or lying that Depp abused Heard, etc) that she never arrives at or testifies to.

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Anonymous wrote:So Depp's attys said this psychologist was going to issue a number of damaging opinions (that Heard was lying about having suffered domestic abuse or lying that Depp abused Heard, etc) that she never arrives at or testifies to.

For all the prior complaints about the proliferation of pro-Depp commentary on the internet, this board certainly seems to have a lot of anti-Depp/pro-Amber posters offering pro-Amber spin to everything that happens...

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Anonymous wrote:So Depp's attys said this psychologist was going to issue a number of damaging opinions (that Heard was lying about having suffered domestic abuse or lying that Depp abused Heard, etc) that she never arrives at or testifies to.

For all the prior complaints about the proliferation of pro-Depp commentary on the internet, this board certainly seems to have a lot of anti-Depp/pro-Amber posters offering pro-Amber spin to everything that happens...

Any comment that isn't dripping with sympathy for Depp is labeled a pro Amber spin.

He has nothing, he lost a defamation suit in the UK. It is much easier to win defamation suits there. It is extremely hard to win them here, especially against public figures. There is almost no chance he prevails.

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Anonymous wrote:Is someone going to give an analysis of him in the same way this person is doing of her? This is a long, bad assessment of her personality, and it can certainly make everyone dislike her and blame her for things. I bet he is enjoying this excoriation a LOT. Was there/will there be similar psychological examination of him?

No. The reason she got the evaluation and not him is because she herself said she suffered from PTSD because of Depp’s abuse (in her countersuit). She opened herself up to it.

Didn't this psychologist say that his attorneys contacted her to do the eval? Why would Heard have to submit to an eval from Depp's selected expert? It's her burden to establish the PTSD in a counterclaim. Then Depp could have a counter expert challenging the opinion of her expert. But how do you get a party in a civil case to do in-person evals with your own expert?

I would be very surprised if they don’t have an expert of their own. But I don’t know the particulars of how this went down.

What's odd to me is that Heard and her lawyers would have agreed for Heard to be evaluated by their expert.

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If her behaviors and relationship choices are an indication of her emotional instability, then I hope she gets some serious counseling and parenting advice.

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Anonymous wrote:So Depp's attys said this psychologist was going to issue a number of damaging opinions (that Heard was lying about having suffered domestic abuse or lying that Depp abused Heard, etc) that she never arrives at or testifies to.

For all the prior complaints about the proliferation of pro-Depp commentary on the internet, this board certainly seems to have a lot of anti-Depp/pro-Amber posters offering pro-Amber spin to everything that happens...

I am PP above who said I thought this psych's testimony was damaging to AH and wondering if a psych was going to testify similarly about him. So it's interesting to me what the negatives of this psych's testimony are; evens things out a little. Cross is not completely decimating this witness, but is making the dinner with drinks at his house as an "interview" look a little unprofessional and fangirl-y.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just at a party and people started talking about the trial.

Everyone was sympathetic to Johnny and thought Amber was lying. Men and women alike.

To me, It shows how we are all socialized to be more sympathetic to protecting men’s feelings and dignity than women’s. They both behaved badly but she is being blamed for everything in the toxic relationship. He was twice her age when they met, consumed mind boggling amounts of alcohol and drugs for decades, and is not taking any responsibility for his part in the mess. He had other ways of redressing his sense of being wronged than dragging them both through a public trial.

I am arguing with my teenage daughter trying to get her to see how unfair it is to blame everything on Amber. DD and her friends think Amber is to blame for ruining his illustrious career while I believe he did that in his own. Amber’s career and reputation has been savaged as well. DD tells me that the internet is siding with Johnny.

The world wants a villain (preferably female), while shared culpability, pesky details and nuance just get get in the way of one sided story telling.

I disagree. We are only now hearing Depp’s side of things while Amber’s take has been out there for over 5 years. This is the first time people really got the opportunity to compare what went on in that relationship from both Amber and Jonny’s perspective.

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They’re both nuts. No one heard Depp’s side up until now.

What are you talking about Twitter has been pushing Depp's side for months. I agree with the other PP that its revolting people are acting like he's an innocent. AT BEST he is a drunken drug addict who left the mother of his children to date a hot crazy chick in her 20s and engaged in a mutually abusive relationship with her. That is the BEST possible interpretation of his behavior.

Only the red pillers are supporting him.

Who knew there were so many female red pillers People support him because he's open about his lifestyle and addictions, he seems genuine. People don't support Amber because she presents herself as a morally superior victim, who was calculated enough to escalate arguments and put her camera and audio on.

Most women support Amber, only frustrated men support him. And woman red pillar is an oxymoron -we don't fantasize and plan regulation that would make rape legal on our property, which is a fundamental view of the red pillers. We're not desperate and frustrated if we don't have sex and we don't think we're entitled to sex just because we demand it.

I don’t think most women support Amber.

I support Amber and I believe her. I don’t think she’s perfect - far from it. And I don’t think she’s the kind of person I’d want a relationship with. But that can be true AND she can be a victim … and I believe that she was.

I'm a woman and I don't support Amber nor do I support Johnny. They were both verbally abusive to each other, did drugs together and separately, and were all around a bad combination. I don't think she is the victim she claims to be. It would have been better for both if they had just divorced quietly.

Same here. They are two toxic people who were very toxic together. Both were abusive. Both are guilty. There's no winner in this scenario.

Legally though, if both were abusive, she wins.

Can you really claim to be the victim if you've done the same exact thing to your supposed abuser?

Yes you can, especially when you're talking about being in a cycle of domestic violence and not trying to win any legal argument, which is what she was doing in the op ed. Many abusers are also/were also abused. Being a victim of abuse makes you statistically more likely to abuse in fact. Isn't this your all's defense of him? That he abused in response to abuse and therefore he is the primary victim?

She has no moral high ground here is my point. He might lose this case (likely) because of the legal standard that he is probably not going to meet, but it doesn't mean that she was a victim any more than he was. I don't view all women who cry DM as credible. Facts still matter.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just at a party and people started talking about the trial.

Everyone was sympathetic to Johnny and thought Amber was lying. Men and women alike.

To me, It shows how we are all socialized to be more sympathetic to protecting men’s feelings and dignity than women’s. They both behaved badly but she is being blamed for everything in the toxic relationship. He was twice her age when they met, consumed mind boggling amounts of alcohol and drugs for decades, and is not taking any responsibility for his part in the mess. He had other ways of redressing his sense of being wronged than dragging them both through a public trial.

I am arguing with my teenage daughter trying to get her to see how unfair it is to blame everything on Amber. DD and her friends think Amber is to blame for ruining his illustrious career while I believe he did that in his own. Amber’s career and reputation has been savaged as well. DD tells me that the internet is siding with Johnny.

The world wants a villain (preferably female), while shared culpability, pesky details and nuance just get get in the way of one sided story telling.

I disagree. We are only now hearing Depp’s side of things while Amber’s take has been out there for over 5 years. This is the first time people really got the opportunity to compare what went on in that relationship from both Amber and Jonny’s perspective.

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They’re both nuts. No one heard Depp’s side up until now.

What are you talking about Twitter has been pushing Depp's side for months. I agree with the other PP that its revolting people are acting like he's an innocent. AT BEST he is a drunken drug addict who left the mother of his children to date a hot crazy chick in her 20s and engaged in a mutually abusive relationship with her. That is the BEST possible interpretation of his behavior.

Only the red pillers are supporting him.

Who knew there were so many female red pillers People support him because he's open about his lifestyle and addictions, he seems genuine. People don't support Amber because she presents herself as a morally superior victim, who was calculated enough to escalate arguments and put her camera and audio on.

Most women support Amber, only frustrated men support him. And woman red pillar is an oxymoron -we don't fantasize and plan regulation that would make rape legal on our property, which is a fundamental view of the red pillers. We're not desperate and frustrated if we don't have sex and we don't think we're entitled to sex just because we demand it.

I don’t think most women support Amber.

I support Amber and I believe her. I don’t think she’s perfect - far from it. And I don’t think she’s the kind of person I’d want a relationship with. But that can be true AND she can be a victim … and I believe that she was.

I'm a woman and I don't support Amber nor do I support Johnny. They were both verbally abusive to each other, did drugs together and separately, and were all around a bad combination. I don't think she is the victim she claims to be. It would have been better for both if they had just divorced quietly.

Same here. They are two toxic people who were very toxic together. Both were abusive. Both are guilty. There's no winner in this scenario.

Legally though, if both were abusive, she wins.

Can you really claim to be the victim if you've done the same exact thing to your supposed abuser?

Yes you can, especially when you're talking about being in a cycle of domestic violence and not trying to win any legal argument, which is what she was doing in the op ed. Many abusers are also/were also abused. Being a victim of abuse makes you statistically more likely to abuse in fact. Isn't this your all's defense of him? That he abused in response to abuse and therefore he is the primary victim?

She has no moral high ground here is my point. He might lose this case (likely) because of the legal standard that he is probably not going to meet, but it doesn't mean that she was a victim any more than he was. I don't view all women who cry DM as credible. Facts still matter.

Yeah, facts matter, as you will find if you sue someone for defamation -- you will need to prove that they lied in order to win.

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Anonymous wrote:So Depp's attys said this psychologist was going to issue a number of damaging opinions (that Heard was lying about having suffered domestic abuse or lying that Depp abused Heard, etc) that she never arrives at or testifies to.

For all the prior complaints about the proliferation of pro-Depp commentary on the internet, this board certainly seems to have a lot of anti-Depp/pro-Amber posters offering pro-Amber spin to everything that happens...

Any comment that isn't dripping with sympathy for Depp is labeled a pro Amber spin.

He has nothing, he lost a defamation suit in the UK. It is much easier to win defamation suits there. It is extremely hard to win them here, especially against public figures. There is almost no chance he prevails.

Nice use of the passive voice. Who exactly is doing the labelling? If you mean me, that's incorrect, as this is the first comment of the sort that I've made. If you mean some imaginary pro-Depp horde that you envision taking over this thread, that sounds about right.

And please keep making the same point about your thoughts on the relative difficulty of winning a defamation suit in different countries. I'm worried that someone will miss it if it isn't on every single page