demoralized in MCPS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm. That's not what I'm seeing and hearing. But you as an outsider are free to speculate. If you have kids in the system, that might not be a gamble you want to take.

I’m a teacher in MCPS. Married to another teacher in MCPS. DD in 8th grade in MCPS. I’m usually on the hiring committees at my school. Not hearing about a mass exodus next year.

There are bubbles. But these bubbles are small and are anomalies. I've worked in four schools - all downcounty minus one. mass exodus in all of my downcounty schools - Upcounty is stable.

20 years ago? great principals and stable staff

Once autonomy was removed, it affected their decisions to do what was right for their own students. That obviously trickled down to the teachers. Discipline was top down, which meant no one had control. So a kid who groped my daughter's friend, for example, had his schedule changed.

Look - I get it. Many teachers have a limited perspective. That's no one's fault. If you land at a "good" school and have only been in the system for about 10 years, you don't get it. But there's a whole ugly world out there doing lots of damage to good people. And people - like me - who have been in the system for over two decades have seen these ugly changes.

But we're "toxic." lol

Then why do the younger teachers seek me out if they're having trouble with management or planning? I've given up planning periods to help other teachers. That's what we should ALL be doing as a way to show a united front.

I agree with what you said except for the bolded. I'm at an upcounty school and it's definitely not stable. The thing is--I used to wish for the day my principal would leave. My principal is hot and cold and you never know what you're going to get. They're near the end of the career and a little bit "old school". However, after seeing what the new crop of administrators (APs) are like--micromanagers who are like robots and just follow central office's orders without any kind of critical thinking--I'm scared for when my principal retires. My principal actually understands that not everything is black and white and there is a gray area. After so many years of wishing they would finally retire, I am at the point where I'm wishing that they stay for at least a few more years. We're all truly fu**ed with this new breed of sycophant administrators.

sorry - meant to say that my upcounty school is stable . . . Hardly anyone leaves, but that's b/c many have never been anywhere else.

I was unclear.

Yes, there are FAR too many sycophants in the system. I've never seen it so bad. Anything that comes down the pike is thrown on us, whereas in the past, the autonomous principals, who knew the students, would push many mandates aside. These new ones don't have minds of their own. They just pass down the sh*t.

SLOs, anyone? In the past, our admin would just collect them and file them away. I haven't looked at mine since I wrote one for team. And get this: My RT approved it, but the SDT had major issues with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is a bubble of mutual masturbation between people who are incapable of adapting to a rapidly changing system. They could leave for greener pastures. They could even pursue leadership positions and steer change in the direction they want. Instead they would rather whine and envision themselves the only true teachers.

huh

rapid "changes" that affect us:

- no deadlines (Even if you have a deadline, you still have to accept late work or admin will be on top of you for too many failures.)
- failures? not allowed
- behavior? We clearly have not been building relationships with our students b/c we're always at fault. I'm sorry I can't get the gang member to stop harassing his peers. But admin won't back me up . . .
- class sizes? I guess bigger is better, eh? Classes are way over any cap I was promised.
- online instruction? the best yet! Push play. Follow the window. Don't insert your own ideas into the instruction b/c those who designed lessons (and who never set foot in a classroom) know better!
-

Your mutual masturbation comment is so out of line and just incredibly ignorant and deviant. If you're a teacher, I certainly hope you're not one of my colleagues. This is certainly the case of the pot calling the kettle black. You really are ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm. That's not what I'm seeing and hearing. But you as an outsider are free to speculate. If you have kids in the system, that might not be a gamble you want to take.

I’m a teacher in MCPS. Married to another teacher in MCPS. DD in 8th grade in MCPS. I’m usually on the hiring committees at my school. Not hearing about a mass exodus next year.

There are bubbles. But these bubbles are small and are anomalies. I've worked in four schools - all downcounty minus one. mass exodus in all of my downcounty schools - Upcounty is stable.

20 years ago? great principals and stable staff

Once autonomy was removed, it affected their decisions to do what was right for their own students. That obviously trickled down to the teachers. Discipline was top down, which meant no one had control. So a kid who groped my daughter's friend, for example, had his schedule changed.

Look - I get it. Many teachers have a limited perspective. That's no one's fault. If you land at a "good" school and have only been in the system for about 10 years, you don't get it. But there's a whole ugly world out there doing lots of damage to good people. And people - like me - who have been in the system for over two decades have seen these ugly changes.

But we're "toxic." lol

Then why do the younger teachers seek me out if they're having trouble with management or planning? I've given up planning periods to help other teachers. That's what we should ALL be doing as a way to show a united front.

I agree with what you said except for the bolded. I'm at an upcounty school and it's definitely not stable. The thing is--I used to wish for the day my principal would leave. My principal is hot and cold and you never know what you're going to get. They're near the end of the career and a little bit "old school". However, after seeing what the new crop of administrators (APs) are like--micromanagers who are like robots and just follow central office's orders without any kind of critical thinking--I'm scared for when my principal retires. My principal actually understands that not everything is black and white and there is a gray area. After so many years of wishing they would finally retire, I am at the point where I'm wishing that they stay for at least a few more years. We're all truly fu**ed with this new breed of sycophant administrators.

sorry - meant to say that my upcounty school is stable . . . Hardly anyone leaves, but that's b/c many have never been anywhere else.

I was unclear.

Yes, there are FAR too many sycophants in the system. I've never seen it so bad. Anything that comes down the pike is thrown on us, whereas in the past, the autonomous principals, who knew the students, would push many mandates aside. These new ones don't have minds of their own. They just pass down the sh*t.

SLOs, anyone? In the past, our admin would just collect them and file them away. I haven't looked at mine since I wrote one for team. And get this: My RT approved it, but the SDT had major issues with it.

Did you fix the major issues?

[Anonymous]

I’m reading all this and realizing changing schools won’t help my situation. I used to truly love being at work with a great principal who valued my work ethic and recognized my assets. She found who the mean clan was and stopped the toxicity. It’s a pity she left and we’re now headed by someone who lives for drama and encourages divisiveness among staff members. Many of them gossip in front of the kids. I’ve also had to bring down and make for many adjustments to the lessons which worked fine for years. I sometimes feel I’m in a Romero movie.

[Anonymous]

How did she stop it?

[Anonymous]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wtop.com/montgomery-county/2020/01/montgomery-co-teacher-says-his-concerns-about-cheating-were-ignored/amp/

More cheating that looks like it was coming from the principal. If it was a new teacher like in my case they would have been fired if they didn't just roll over and go along with the fraud. Look for principal promotion for incompetence in the next couple months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is a bubble of mutual masturbation between people who are incapable of adapting to a rapidly changing system. They could leave for greener pastures. They could even pursue leadership positions and steer change in the direction they want. Instead they would rather whine and envision themselves the only true teachers.

huh

rapid "changes" that affect us:

- no deadlines (Even if you have a deadline, you still have to accept late work or admin will be on top of you for too many failures.)
- failures? not allowed
- behavior? We clearly have not been building relationships with our students b/c we're always at fault. I'm sorry I can't get the gang member to stop harassing his peers. But admin won't back me up . . .
- class sizes? I guess bigger is better, eh? Classes are way over any cap I was promised.
- online instruction? the best yet! Push play. Follow the window. Don't insert your own ideas into the instruction b/c those who designed lessons (and who never set foot in a classroom) know better!
-

Your mutual masturbation comment is so out of line and just incredibly ignorant and deviant. If you're a teacher, I certainly hope you're not one of my colleagues. This is certainly the case of the pot calling the kettle black. You really are ignorant.

- no deadlines - not exactly truthful
- failures - again not truthful and it is school where people should learn from mistakes
- behavior - the approach they're using seems more constructive but sure some people would like to go back to the switch or stock and pilory
- class sizes are much smaller now than when I was a kid
- online instruction can be great you should check out Khan Academy or Beast Academy Online sometime

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm. That's not what I'm seeing and hearing. But you as an outsider are free to speculate. If you have kids in the system, that might not be a gamble you want to take.

I’m a teacher in MCPS. Married to another teacher in MCPS. DD in 8th grade in MCPS. I’m usually on the hiring committees at my school. Not hearing about a mass exodus next year.

There are bubbles. But these bubbles are small and are anomalies. I've worked in four schools - all downcounty minus one. mass exodus in all of my downcounty schools - Upcounty is stable.

20 years ago? great principals and stable staff

Once autonomy was removed, it affected their decisions to do what was right for their own students. That obviously trickled down to the teachers. Discipline was top down, which meant no one had control. So a kid who groped my daughter's friend, for example, had his schedule changed.

Look - I get it. Many teachers have a limited perspective. That's no one's fault. If you land at a "good" school and have only been in the system for about 10 years, you don't get it. But there's a whole ugly world out there doing lots of damage to good people. And people - like me - who have been in the system for over two decades have seen these ugly changes.

But we're "toxic." lol

Then why do the younger teachers seek me out if they're having trouble with management or planning? I've given up planning periods to help other teachers. That's what we should ALL be doing as a way to show a united front.

I agree with what you said except for the bolded. I'm at an upcounty school and it's definitely not stable. The thing is--I used to wish for the day my principal would leave. My principal is hot and cold and you never know what you're going to get. They're near the end of the career and a little bit "old school". However, after seeing what the new crop of administrators (APs) are like--micromanagers who are like robots and just follow central office's orders without any kind of critical thinking--I'm scared for when my principal retires. My principal actually understands that not everything is black and white and there is a gray area. After so many years of wishing they would finally retire, I am at the point where I'm wishing that they stay for at least a few more years. We're all truly fu**ed with this new breed of sycophant administrators.

sorry - meant to say that my upcounty school is stable . . . Hardly anyone leaves, but that's b/c many have never been anywhere else.

I was unclear.

Yes, there are FAR too many sycophants in the system. I've never seen it so bad. Anything that comes down the pike is thrown on us, whereas in the past, the autonomous principals, who knew the students, would push many mandates aside. These new ones don't have minds of their own. They just pass down the sh*t.

SLOs, anyone? In the past, our admin would just collect them and file them away. I haven't looked at mine since I wrote one for team. And get this: My RT approved it, but the SDT had major issues with it.

Did you fix the major issues?

We did not fix the "major issues." Instead, we decided to go with the one stamped by the RT. The SLO is in hiding for now. We'll see what happens once they're completed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is a bubble of mutual masturbation between people who are incapable of adapting to a rapidly changing system. They could leave for greener pastures. They could even pursue leadership positions and steer change in the direction they want. Instead they would rather whine and envision themselves the only true teachers.

huh

rapid "changes" that affect us:

- no deadlines (Even if you have a deadline, you still have to accept late work or admin will be on top of you for too many failures.)
- failures? not allowed
- behavior? We clearly have not been building relationships with our students b/c we're always at fault. I'm sorry I can't get the gang member to stop harassing his peers. But admin won't back me up . . .
- class sizes? I guess bigger is better, eh? Classes are way over any cap I was promised.
- online instruction? the best yet! Push play. Follow the window. Don't insert your own ideas into the instruction b/c those who designed lessons (and who never set foot in a classroom) know better!
-

Your mutual masturbation comment is so out of line and just incredibly ignorant and deviant. If you're a teacher, I certainly hope you're not one of my colleagues. This is certainly the case of the pot calling the kettle black. You really are ignorant.

- no deadlines - not exactly truthful
- failures - again not truthful and it is school where people should learn from mistakes
- behavior - the approach they're using seems more constructive but sure some people would like to go back to the switch or stock and pilory
- class sizes are much smaller now than when I was a kid
- online instruction can be great you should check out Khan Academy or Beast Academy Online sometime

ok . . .

I don't know where you teach - or even IF you teach, as I have my doubts based on your post.

But public ed is dead, and MCPS is driving the hearse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is a bubble of mutual masturbation between people who are incapable of adapting to a rapidly changing system. They could leave for greener pastures. They could even pursue leadership positions and steer change in the direction they want. Instead they would rather whine and envision themselves the only true teachers.

huh

rapid "changes" that affect us:

- no deadlines (Even if you have a deadline, you still have to accept late work or admin will be on top of you for too many failures.)
- failures? not allowed
- behavior? We clearly have not been building relationships with our students b/c we're always at fault. I'm sorry I can't get the gang member to stop harassing his peers. But admin won't back me up . . .
- class sizes? I guess bigger is better, eh? Classes are way over any cap I was promised.
- online instruction? the best yet! Push play. Follow the window. Don't insert your own ideas into the instruction b/c those who designed lessons (and who never set foot in a classroom) know better!
-

Your mutual masturbation comment is so out of line and just incredibly ignorant and deviant. If you're a teacher, I certainly hope you're not one of my colleagues. This is certainly the case of the pot calling the kettle black. You really are ignorant.

- no deadlines - not exactly truthful
- failures - again not truthful and it is school where people should learn from mistakes
- behavior - the approach they're using seems more constructive but sure some people would like to go back to the switch or stock and pilory
- class sizes are much smaller now than when I was a kid
- online instruction can be great you should check out Khan Academy or Beast Academy Online sometime

ok . . .

I don't know where you teach - or even IF you teach, as I have my doubts based on your post.

But public ed is dead, and MCPS is driving the hearse.

Interesting opinion but without any facts to support it other than vague notions which are largely subjective iyou just sound like a disgruntled employee

[Anonymous]

Not only are failures not allowed but admin are pushing teachers in MCPS out the door to cut ties with illigitimate grading fraud that they required. Get them to do your bidding by fear of firing them, then fire anyway because they know too much. then if they let the truth out smear campaign. It's the definition of corrupt.

And they sing why oh why do teachers not want to teach anymore. We just don't get it. We need fresh meat through our revolving door because it's a system that is based on ruining lives. This is the flaw in education. Peace out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not only are failures not allowed but admin are pushing teachers in MCPS out the door to cut ties with illigitimate grading fraud that they required. Get them to do your bidding by fear of firing them, then fire anyway because they know too much. then if they let the truth out smear campaign. It's the definition of corrupt.

And they sing why oh why do teachers not want to teach anymore. We just don't get it. We need fresh meat through our revolving door because it's a system that is based on ruining lives. This is the flaw in education. Peace out.

I guess teachers are sadly learning what it's like for everyone else these days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm. That's not what I'm seeing and hearing. But you as an outsider are free to speculate. If you have kids in the system, that might not be a gamble you want to take.

I’m a teacher in MCPS. Married to another teacher in MCPS. DD in 8th grade in MCPS. I’m usually on the hiring committees at my school. Not hearing about a mass exodus next year.

There are bubbles. But these bubbles are small and are anomalies. I've worked in four schools - all downcounty minus one. mass exodus in all of my downcounty schools - Upcounty is stable.

20 years ago? great principals and stable staff

Once autonomy was removed, it affected their decisions to do what was right for their own students. That obviously trickled down to the teachers. Discipline was top down, which meant no one had control. So a kid who groped my daughter's friend, for example, had his schedule changed.

Look - I get it. Many teachers have a limited perspective. That's no one's fault. If you land at a "good" school and have only been in the system for about 10 years, you don't get it. But there's a whole ugly world out there doing lots of damage to good people. And people - like me - who have been in the system for over two decades have seen these ugly changes.

But we're "toxic." lol

Then why do the younger teachers seek me out if they're having trouble with management or planning? I've given up planning periods to help other teachers. That's what we should ALL be doing as a way to show a united front.

I agree with what you said except for the bolded. I'm at an upcounty school and it's definitely not stable. The thing is--I used to wish for the day my principal would leave. My principal is hot and cold and you never know what you're going to get. They're near the end of the career and a little bit "old school". However, after seeing what the new crop of administrators (APs) are like--micromanagers who are like robots and just follow central office's orders without any kind of critical thinking--I'm scared for when my principal retires. My principal actually understands that not everything is black and white and there is a gray area. After so many years of wishing they would finally retire, I am at the point where I'm wishing that they stay for at least a few more years. We're all truly fu**ed with this new breed of sycophant administrators.

sorry - meant to say that my upcounty school is stable . . . Hardly anyone leaves, but that's b/c many have never been anywhere else.

I was unclear.

Yes, there are FAR too many sycophants in the system. I've never seen it so bad. Anything that comes down the pike is thrown on us, whereas in the past, the autonomous principals, who knew the students, would push many mandates aside. These new ones don't have minds of their own. They just pass down the sh*t.

SLOs, anyone? In the past, our admin would just collect them and file them away. I haven't looked at mine since I wrote one for team. And get this: My RT approved it, but the SDT had major issues with it.

Did you fix the major issues?

We did not fix the "major issues." Instead, we decided to go with the one stamped by the RT. The SLO is in hiding for now. We'll see what happens once they're completed.

Hiding time is up. They are due next week. Let us know how it goes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm. That's not what I'm seeing and hearing. But you as an outsider are free to speculate. If you have kids in the system, that might not be a gamble you want to take.

I’m a teacher in MCPS. Married to another teacher in MCPS. DD in 8th grade in MCPS. I’m usually on the hiring committees at my school. Not hearing about a mass exodus next year.

There are bubbles. But these bubbles are small and are anomalies. I've worked in four schools - all downcounty minus one. mass exodus in all of my downcounty schools - Upcounty is stable.

20 years ago? great principals and stable staff

Once autonomy was removed, it affected their decisions to do what was right for their own students. That obviously trickled down to the teachers. Discipline was top down, which meant no one had control. So a kid who groped my daughter's friend, for example, had his schedule changed.

Look - I get it. Many teachers have a limited perspective. That's no one's fault. If you land at a "good" school and have only been in the system for about 10 years, you don't get it. But there's a whole ugly world out there doing lots of damage to good people. And people - like me - who have been in the system for over two decades have seen these ugly changes.

But we're "toxic." lol

Then why do the younger teachers seek me out if they're having trouble with management or planning? I've given up planning periods to help other teachers. That's what we should ALL be doing as a way to show a united front.

I agree with what you said except for the bolded. I'm at an upcounty school and it's definitely not stable. The thing is--I used to wish for the day my principal would leave. My principal is hot and cold and you never know what you're going to get. They're near the end of the career and a little bit "old school". However, after seeing what the new crop of administrators (APs) are like--micromanagers who are like robots and just follow central office's orders without any kind of critical thinking--I'm scared for when my principal retires. My principal actually understands that not everything is black and white and there is a gray area. After so many years of wishing they would finally retire, I am at the point where I'm wishing that they stay for at least a few more years. We're all truly fu**ed with this new breed of sycophant administrators.

sorry - meant to say that my upcounty school is stable . . . Hardly anyone leaves, but that's b/c many have never been anywhere else.

I was unclear.

Yes, there are FAR too many sycophants in the system. I've never seen it so bad. Anything that comes down the pike is thrown on us, whereas in the past, the autonomous principals, who knew the students, would push many mandates aside. These new ones don't have minds of their own. They just pass down the sh*t.

SLOs, anyone? In the past, our admin would just collect them and file them away. I haven't looked at mine since I wrote one for team. And get this: My RT approved it, but the SDT had major issues with it.

Did you fix the major issues?

We did not fix the "major issues." Instead, we decided to go with the one stamped by the RT. The SLO is in hiding for now. We'll see what happens once they're completed.

Hiding time is up. They are due next week. Let us know how it goes.

Ours were due in October. How are they only just due now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm. That's not what I'm seeing and hearing. But you as an outsider are free to speculate. If you have kids in the system, that might not be a gamble you want to take.

I’m a teacher in MCPS. Married to another teacher in MCPS. DD in 8th grade in MCPS. I’m usually on the hiring committees at my school. Not hearing about a mass exodus next year.

There are bubbles. But these bubbles are small and are anomalies. I've worked in four schools - all downcounty minus one. mass exodus in all of my downcounty schools - Upcounty is stable.

20 years ago? great principals and stable staff

Once autonomy was removed, it affected their decisions to do what was right for their own students. That obviously trickled down to the teachers. Discipline was top down, which meant no one had control. So a kid who groped my daughter's friend, for example, had his schedule changed.

Look - I get it. Many teachers have a limited perspective. That's no one's fault. If you land at a "good" school and have only been in the system for about 10 years, you don't get it. But there's a whole ugly world out there doing lots of damage to good people. And people - like me - who have been in the system for over two decades have seen these ugly changes.

But we're "toxic." lol

Then why do the younger teachers seek me out if they're having trouble with management or planning? I've given up planning periods to help other teachers. That's what we should ALL be doing as a way to show a united front.

I agree with what you said except for the bolded. I'm at an upcounty school and it's definitely not stable. The thing is--I used to wish for the day my principal would leave. My principal is hot and cold and you never know what you're going to get. They're near the end of the career and a little bit "old school". However, after seeing what the new crop of administrators (APs) are like--micromanagers who are like robots and just follow central office's orders without any kind of critical thinking--I'm scared for when my principal retires. My principal actually understands that not everything is black and white and there is a gray area. After so many years of wishing they would finally retire, I am at the point where I'm wishing that they stay for at least a few more years. We're all truly fu**ed with this new breed of sycophant administrators.

sorry - meant to say that my upcounty school is stable . . . Hardly anyone leaves, but that's b/c many have never been anywhere else.

I was unclear.

Yes, there are FAR too many sycophants in the system. I've never seen it so bad. Anything that comes down the pike is thrown on us, whereas in the past, the autonomous principals, who knew the students, would push many mandates aside. These new ones don't have minds of their own. They just pass down the sh*t.

SLOs, anyone? In the past, our admin would just collect them and file them away. I haven't looked at mine since I wrote one for team. And get this: My RT approved it, but the SDT had major issues with it.

Did you fix the major issues?

We did not fix the "major issues." Instead, we decided to go with the one stamped by the RT. The SLO is in hiding for now. We'll see what happens once they're completed.

Hiding time is up. They are due next week. Let us know how it goes.

Ours were due in October. How are they only just due now?

That’s just writing what you plan to do. Now you have to analyze how effective your plan turned out to be and what your next steps for your target group will be. It’s that last bit that is looked out when you are evaluated: are you able to be reflective on your teaching practices and do you adjust in response.