demoralized in MCPS

Anonymous
I work in MCPS and there has been a rapid increase of serious behavior problems in my school. Our admin says their hands are tied due to the code of conduct and my principal's boss also says their hands are tied. We have one counselor for over 600 students, and school resources are tied up in putting out fires all day every day, so the people in those positions are unable to do their actual jobs. Once students on the cusp see that the students with serious behavior problems don't face any consequences, then they emulate what they see. You can imagine this does not make for a safe and effective learning environment. The rights of these students take priority over the other students' rights to learn and also for the students and staff to feel safe in their school. Yes, many of these students have FBAs and BIPs, but these behaviors have not been solved by implementing these plans. Parents refuse to be involved in many cases.

A few days ago we got our MCEA rep to come in and listen to our concerns. The rep listened for a bit and told us that what's happening in our school is not unique and it's going on throughout the county. There's nothing in the contract that states anything regarding staff's right to a safe working environment. He also told us that there's nothing MCPS central office will do about it and we just have to handle it at the school level. When we asked why there is nothing central office will do we were told that positions in central office were cut and there's not enough money to fund extra personnel to help support at the school level. We just have to "think outside the box" to figure out how to handle these mental health issues with the resources we have. Somehow we need to suddenly become mental health professionals overnight.

MCPS doesn't care that our schools are imploding. They don't care that there are physical fights frequently in elementary schools or that classroom property is being destroyed by students in fits of anger on a daily basis. All they care about is what looks good on paper regarding closing the achievement gap. There's a reason why people fought viciously to keep their jobs in central office when cuts were being made--they knew what they would be in for if they had to go back to working in a school.

I guess I've always know that central office doesn't really care about what actually goes on in schools as long as we are all good little puppets and follow their initiatives that were developed by people who haven't actually been in classrooms in years, and collect the data for them to be able to judge us by, but to hear it in such blunt terms is really demoralizing. MCPS doesn't care about what is truly going on in our buildings. They don't care about what is happening to your children. The staff does care about what is happening to your children, but don't have the manpower or tools to be able to handle these severe cases.

If you're wondering why there's so much teacher turnover--this is a big reason why. Teachers are not supported and we are expected to diffuse students in crisis with 20 something other students in the room for whom we're also responsible at the exact same time the student is in crisis with no one available to come help support. And MCPS had the grand idea to cut paraeducator hours as well, so there will be even less support in classrooms next year.

We know that although it doesn't feel like it, central office really only listens to parents when they have complaints. They don't listen to teachers and school staff at all. If you have a child who is affected by a situation like this, please document your concern with the principal and go above the principal if it continues. Continue up the food chain if it continues after that. Request more support for your child's school. Lobby for a revamp of the code of conduct. Document incidents where your child has been harassed, threatened, cursed at or physically hurt. Fill out a bullying form if the incidents meet the definition of bullying. Keep copies for your records.

This is something I'd want to know as a parent who may not be familiar with how things really work in MCPS, which is why I'm sharing. Please also keep this in mind when it's time to vote for new leadership.
Anonymous
This has always been MCPS and nothing new. Get used to it or change jobs. We know.
Anonymous
I'm so sorry this is happening. Can the teacher's union do anything?

I volunteer at our elementary and have only rarely seen issues like the one you mention (child with special needs pushing and hurting other kids), and haven't heard of any physical incidents at our middle school, but high school? Perhaps, I don't have kids there yet.

Your advice on documentation and escalating up the chain of command is duly noted. Thank you for taking the time to share and explain!

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:This has always been MCPS and nothing new. Get used to it or change jobs. We know.


Most parents do NOT know.
And why the condescension and anger toward a teacher who cares enough to write this out on a parenting forum?


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This has always been MCPS and nothing new. Get used to it or change jobs. We know.


Most parents do NOT know.
And why the condescension and anger toward a teacher who cares enough to write this out on a parenting forum?




Hi PP. I’m an MCPS teacher too, but in a middle school, and I just want to thank you for posting on here. I know you speak the truth. To the pp who says it’s nothing new, it’s much worse than it used to be. I will say that even when central had extra bloat, they never came to support my mediocre principal and morale is still sinking. The only reason turnover has slowed a bit is because so many people are new at this point. The home school model is a problem too. They claim it’s about least restrictive environment, but it’s about saving money. Bad teachers never get fired, bad principals never get fired, so anyone who works hard and is decent is demoralized. It’s bad.
Anonymous
Thanks for the "insider" view -- it's disheartening but that's not your fault. I guess you can't name the school, but are you at the ES, MS, or HS level? What's the FARMS rate?

Ours are just entering MCPS, and I plan to get more involved in school issues as I see MCPS just being grossly mismanaged. I know I'll be out their campaiging at the next BoE election for anyone who is not an incumbent.

I'm surprised MCEA is unable to do anything. They've been notorious for securing great benefits packages for teachers -- better than any other county employees -- so why can't they step in to protect their members?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the "insider" view -- it's disheartening but that's not your fault. I guess you can't name the school, but are you at the ES, MS, or HS level? What's the FARMS rate?

Ours are just entering MCPS, and I plan to get more involved in school issues as I see MCPS just being grossly mismanaged. I know I'll be out their campaiging at the next BoE election for anyone who is not an incumbent.

I'm surprised MCEA is unable to do anything. They've been notorious for securing great benefits packages for teachers -- better than any other county employees -- so why can't they step in to protect their members?


Even MCPS HR will agree that teachers can’t trust mcea. If you’re a crap teacher who’s being investigated, they’ll go to bat for you, but they do nothing for the hard working teachers looking for better working conditions. And they don’t protect confidentiality even though theiy are supposedly on our side. If I ever was in a situation where I needed mcea, I’d hire my own legal representation.
Anonymous
My husband has cancer (incurable). The counselor at my childrens' Catholic school alone is worth the tuition. She is awesome.

Anonymous
So why exactly can’t schools suspend or expel violent and dangerous students?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So why exactly can’t schools suspend or expel violent and dangerous students?


Not a teacher, but didn't they close down the school for "bad kids" a few yaars ago? Twain I think it was called? So since students are entitled to an education, they either keep you there, or transfer the problem to another school. I believe one of the suspects accused in the Damascus HS rape/hazing case was a problem kid who had been transferred out of a number of schools.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My husband has cancer (incurable). The counselor at my childrens' Catholic school alone is worth the tuition. She is awesome.


Sorry about your husband, happy for your children and their "Catholic" school, but why are you saying that? What does it have to do with MCPS and its poor morale?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So why exactly can’t schools suspend or expel violent and dangerous students?


Pretty sure it's federal requirements filtering down.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the "insider" view -- it's disheartening but that's not your fault. I guess you can't name the school, but are you at the ES, MS, or HS level? What's the FARMS rate?

Ours are just entering MCPS, and I plan to get more involved in school issues as I see MCPS just being grossly mismanaged. I know I'll be out their campaiging at the next BoE election for anyone who is not an incumbent.

I'm surprised MCEA is unable to do anything. They've been notorious for securing great benefits packages for teachers -- better than any other county employees -- so why can't they step in to protect their members?


Even MCPS HR will agree that teachers can’t trust mcea. If you’re a crap teacher who’s being investigated, they’ll go to bat for you, but they do nothing for the hard working teachers looking for better working conditions. And they don’t protect confidentiality even though theiy are supposedly on our side. If I ever was in a situation where I needed mcea, I’d hire my own legal representation.


I just dont' get it. Why does MCEA go to bat for the few bad apples, instead of going to bat for the majority of their members -- the good teachers. Don't the teachers elect the management of MCEA? Are they electing incompetent people?

I'm not a teacher.. just really seems sad that the union they pay for isn't doing anything...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So why exactly can’t schools suspend or expel violent and dangerous students?


Not a teacher, but didn't they close down the school for "bad kids" a few yaars ago? Twain I think it was called? So since students are entitled to an education, they either keep you there, or transfer the problem to another school. I believe one of the suspects accused in the Damascus HS rape/hazing case was a problem kid who had been transferred out of a number of schools.


Yep, Twain shut down in 2008. Thanks Board of Ed!
http://www.gazette.net/stories/030508/aspenew214333_32362.shtml
Anonymous
I left teaching a few years ago. I have many years of experience, two graduate degrees, and I mentored new teachers. I know what I'm doing and I know how to control a classroom. I had months of unused sick leave because I was never out. However- I really felt that the situation had come to a point where I could not guarantee the physical and emotional safety of my students or even myself. It's a very different world with regard to discipline- meaning there is none. Kids have more mental illness and serious behavioral problems. Bullying is rampant. Parents are not always in synch with accepted parenting practices. There is no support anywhere...from admin, from school, from home, or from the county. Some newer teachers actually had emotional breakdowns, and I comforted the rest every day. It's really a horrible environment for anyone to be in. I thought that staying might affect my health in a serious and negative way.

I taught in a well regarded Md county, where people actually move to, but my schools were moderate to low income. My colleagues in higher income schools had fewer (still quite a lot, though )everyday behavior problems, but endured serious bullying and intimidation from parents and students to the point that many were on medication for anxiety.
I thought...."It's time to rethink this." I was a very good teacher, and I know many more who are as well but also have gone. The rest are not willing to forfeit their years in the retirement system and start over and/or are paying off massive loans. No one can afford to retrain. I am not exaggerrating when I say that few teachers are staying because they want to for the love of the job.

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