Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall

[Anonymous]

No big wall.
Walls. Reinforced in some areas. Everify. Re-planning the system.

But NO W A L L. It’s useless and expensive for something that is, again, useless.

I challenge anyone to take me down on these points. The point has been made several times above too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like the shutdown will be underway til mid January.

A large swath of the federal government is shut down — and so are negotiations to reopen it.

President Donald Trump’s standoff with Democratic leaders over the border wall dragged into a third day on Monday, with no hopes on either side of a Christmas deal to break the stalemate. It’s been 48 hours since the last real discussions between Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Vice President Mike Pence, and there's growing sentiment in the Capitol that the closure could drag on until mid-January.

Why is Trump acting like a child? No one wants this stupid wall.

From WaPo, here is latest polling on support for the wall:

A recent CNN poll showed that 61 percent of respondents oppose building a border wall without any funding from Mexico. Only 33 percent of respondents support such a plan, including 75 percent of Republicans, 32 percent of independents and just 4 percent of Democrats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-claims-without-evidence-that-most-of-the-people-not-getting-paid-in-partial-government-shutdown-are-democrats/2018/12/27/afbc992a-09cc-11e9-88e3-989a3e456820_story.html?utm_term=.f370314027d5

Trump needs to stand down.

Does your poll indicate what percentage of residents in "border states" oppose or support a Wall? That would be a more significant data point since it's border state residents who have to deal with the brunt of illegal immigration that a Wall is designed to prevent.

I'm sure you know why D.C. and the surrounding suburbs are subject to such blatantly obvious de facto segregation, including actual physical walls in the wealthier areas.

Do you live in a border state? If you don't, then you don't have to deal with the brunt of illegal immigration. So why are you so upset about it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like the shutdown will be underway til mid January.

A large swath of the federal government is shut down — and so are negotiations to reopen it.

President Donald Trump’s standoff with Democratic leaders over the border wall dragged into a third day on Monday, with no hopes on either side of a Christmas deal to break the stalemate. It’s been 48 hours since the last real discussions between Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Vice President Mike Pence, and there's growing sentiment in the Capitol that the closure could drag on until mid-January.

Why is Trump acting like a child? No one wants this stupid wall.

From WaPo, here is latest polling on support for the wall:

A recent CNN poll showed that 61 percent of respondents oppose building a border wall without any funding from Mexico. Only 33 percent of respondents support such a plan, including 75 percent of Republicans, 32 percent of independents and just 4 percent of Democrats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-claims-without-evidence-that-most-of-the-people-not-getting-paid-in-partial-government-shutdown-are-democrats/2018/12/27/afbc992a-09cc-11e9-88e3-989a3e456820_story.html?utm_term=.f370314027d5

Trump needs to stand down.

Does your poll indicate what percentage of residents in "border states" oppose or support a Wall? That would be a more significant data point since it's border state residents who have to deal with the brunt of illegal immigration that a Wall is designed to prevent.

I'm sure you know why D.C. and the surrounding suburbs are subject to such blatantly obvious de facto segregation, including actual physical walls in the wealthier areas.

According to the map below from https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2053168016645830, border states like California and Arizona have the lowest levels of anti-immigrant sentiment. The highest are Arkansas, Utah, and Kentucky. I'm surprised by Ut, but Arkansas and Kentucky are very poor states reliant of federal monies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like the shutdown will be underway til mid January.

A large swath of the federal government is shut down — and so are negotiations to reopen it.

President Donald Trump’s standoff with Democratic leaders over the border wall dragged into a third day on Monday, with no hopes on either side of a Christmas deal to break the stalemate. It’s been 48 hours since the last real discussions between Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Vice President Mike Pence, and there's growing sentiment in the Capitol that the closure could drag on until mid-January.

Why is Trump acting like a child? No one wants this stupid wall.

From WaPo, here is latest polling on support for the wall:

A recent CNN poll showed that 61 percent of respondents oppose building a border wall without any funding from Mexico. Only 33 percent of respondents support such a plan, including 75 percent of Republicans, 32 percent of independents and just 4 percent of Democrats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-claims-without-evidence-that-most-of-the-people-not-getting-paid-in-partial-government-shutdown-are-democrats/2018/12/27/afbc992a-09cc-11e9-88e3-989a3e456820_story.html?utm_term=.f370314027d5

Trump needs to stand down.

Does your poll indicate what percentage of residents in "border states" oppose or support a Wall? That would be a more significant data point since it's border state residents who have to deal with the brunt of illegal immigration that a Wall is designed to prevent.

I'm sure you know why D.C. and the surrounding suburbs are subject to such blatantly obvious de facto segregation, including actual physical walls in the wealthier areas.

Do you live in a border state? If you don't, then you don't have to deal with the brunt of illegal immigration. So why are you so upset about it?

b/c - like many other liberal elites - it's easier to judge from behind the screen

How many liberal elites send their kids to their local public school? It's "wonderful" to be in a diverse community, eh? But the schools are never a "good match" for the kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like the shutdown will be underway til mid January.

A large swath of the federal government is shut down — and so are negotiations to reopen it.

President Donald Trump’s standoff with Democratic leaders over the border wall dragged into a third day on Monday, with no hopes on either side of a Christmas deal to break the stalemate. It’s been 48 hours since the last real discussions between Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Vice President Mike Pence, and there's growing sentiment in the Capitol that the closure could drag on until mid-January.

Why is Trump acting like a child? No one wants this stupid wall.

From WaPo, here is latest polling on support for the wall:

A recent CNN poll showed that 61 percent of respondents oppose building a border wall without any funding from Mexico. Only 33 percent of respondents support such a plan, including 75 percent of Republicans, 32 percent of independents and just 4 percent of Democrats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-claims-without-evidence-that-most-of-the-people-not-getting-paid-in-partial-government-shutdown-are-democrats/2018/12/27/afbc992a-09cc-11e9-88e3-989a3e456820_story.html?utm_term=.f370314027d5

Trump needs to stand down.

Does your poll indicate what percentage of residents in "border states" oppose or support a Wall? That would be a more significant data point since it's border state residents who have to deal with the brunt of illegal immigration that a Wall is designed to prevent.

I'm sure you know why D.C. and the surrounding suburbs are subject to such blatantly obvious de facto segregation, including actual physical walls in the wealthier areas.

According to the map below from https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2053168016645830, border states like California and Arizona have the lowest levels of anti-immigrant sentiment. The highest are Arkansas, Utah, and Kentucky. I'm surprised by Ut, but Arkansas and Kentucky are very poor states reliant of federal monies.

I love these studies. (Yours is inaccessible, by the way.) What factors ensured that these questions contained no bias? Was SES of participants addressed? access to technology in order to complete the survey (Or were hard copies available? or perhaps phone interviews? which languages?)

If I'm "untouched by the untouchables," diversity is great! Look at Hollywood! VERY liberal, right? but with kids in private schools, living in gated settings, staying w/in a specific social circle

I don't believe any of these studies. For every one person who thinks our country is La La Land, there are five more who quietly keep their beliefs to themselves.

I scream BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whatever happened to the Secure Fence Act of 2006 under Bush?

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2006/10/20061026-1.html

"This bill will help protect the American people. This bill will make our borders more secure. It is an important step toward immigration reform."

- President George W. Bush, 10/26/06

yes, a fence
But the act included multiple components to keep the border secure. I don't remember hearing people complain about the points below:

More than doubled funding for border security - from $4.6 billion in 2001 to $10.4 billion this year;
Increased the number of Border Patrol agents from about 9,000 to more than 12,000 - and by the end of 2008, we will have doubled the number of Border Patrol agents since the President took office;
Deployed thousands of National Guard members to assist the Border Patrol;
Upgraded technology at our borders and added infrastructure, including new fencing and vehicle barriers;
Apprehended and sent home more than 6 million people entering America illegally; and
We are adding thousands of new beds in our detention facilities, so we can continue working to end "catch and release" at our Southern border.

And you can thank Hillary and Barack for supporting this initiative. In other words, none of this is new. But I wonder how old many of you posters are b/c you can't seem to connect the dots going back in time.

Please explain how this compares to Trump’s proposal.

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You just supported by point. So I don't feel any need to explain my response.

back at you!

[Anonymous]

F*ck this idiot. Impeach the president, please. https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1078638249562775552

[Anonymous]

To those saying a wall will not work:

How will technology prevent people from coming in? Sure, it will identify them, but once they cross the border and are apprehended, the rules change. If they bring a child, the rules change dramatically. If they ask for asylum, the rules change dramatically. Once apprehended, they eventually get "catch and release" and essentially get a free ticket to the US--as long as they do not get arrested, and, even then, if they are in a sanctuary zone, they get to stay.

Either change the laws to where they can be sent back once apprehended--even with a child--or build the wall.

If you read the WAPO article today, you would know that smugglers are charging less if they bring a kid. The word is spreading in the poorest, remote villages. This is unsustainable and helping no one.

[Anonymous]

Can't y'all just call Cliven Bundy and his boys to defend the border? It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper he'd probably do it for some chewing tobacco and a pair of clean socks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can't y'all just call Cliven Bundy and his boys to defend the border? It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper he'd probably do it for some chewing tobacco and a pair of clean socks.

another ignorant response

I won't assume you're a liberal, however, as I know lines can oftentimes be blurry.

Ignorant is ignorant. And while you may THINK you're being funny, you just look like a f-ing moron.

If you want to argue, use some research. If not, find a crowd of buffoons who enjoy your humor and take your show on the road.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like the shutdown will be underway til mid January.

A large swath of the federal government is shut down — and so are negotiations to reopen it.

President Donald Trump’s standoff with Democratic leaders over the border wall dragged into a third day on Monday, with no hopes on either side of a Christmas deal to break the stalemate. It’s been 48 hours since the last real discussions between Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Vice President Mike Pence, and there's growing sentiment in the Capitol that the closure could drag on until mid-January.

Why is Trump acting like a child? No one wants this stupid wall.

From WaPo, here is latest polling on support for the wall:

A recent CNN poll showed that 61 percent of respondents oppose building a border wall without any funding from Mexico. Only 33 percent of respondents support such a plan, including 75 percent of Republicans, 32 percent of independents and just 4 percent of Democrats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-claims-without-evidence-that-most-of-the-people-not-getting-paid-in-partial-government-shutdown-are-democrats/2018/12/27/afbc992a-09cc-11e9-88e3-989a3e456820_story.html?utm_term=.f370314027d5

Trump needs to stand down.

Does your poll indicate what percentage of residents in "border states" oppose or support a Wall? That would be a more significant data point since it's border state residents who have to deal with the brunt of illegal immigration that a Wall is designed to prevent.

I'm sure you know why D.C. and the surrounding suburbs are subject to such blatantly obvious de facto segregation, including actual physical walls in the wealthier areas.

According to the map below from https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2053168016645830, border states like California and Arizona have the lowest levels of anti-immigrant sentiment. The highest are Arkansas, Utah, and Kentucky. I'm surprised by Ut, but Arkansas and Kentucky are very poor states reliant of federal monies.

I love these studies. (Yours is inaccessible, by the way.) What factors ensured that these questions contained no bias? Was SES of participants addressed? access to technology in order to complete the survey (Or were hard copies available? or perhaps phone interviews? which languages?)

If I'm "untouched by the untouchables," diversity is great! Look at Hollywood! VERY liberal, right? but with kids in private schools, living in gated settings, staying w/in a specific social circle

I don't believe any of these studies. For every one person who thinks our country is La La Land, there are five more who quietly keep their beliefs to themselves.

I scream BS.

You can access it here.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2053168016645830

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:F*ck this idiot. Impeach the president, please. https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1078638249562775552

Well, that money can now be sent to Mexico, as they will most likely need it.

The US gave Honduras $181m last year - not in liquid assets (to prevent theft) but in the form of training and resources. Clearly, this help hasn't done any good, as the poorest of the poor are trying to leave. So we either readjust our priorities and use the support for the poorest in those countries, or we cut the aid and use it for our own poor.

I prefer the latter.



https://www.gazettextra.com/news/nation_world/another-bigger-migrant-caravan-is-set-to-leave-from-honduras/article_12ec7e25-5e2f-5151-b35d-f05f4293d825.html
Another, bigger migrant caravan is set to leave from Honduras next month

Garrido said this new, larger caravan will probably be joined by more people in El Salvador and in Guatemala, but she said they don’t plan on coming straight to the Tijuana-San Diego border, where resources are already stretched nearly to a breaking point.

“They will stay in the south of Mexico in Chiapas and Oaxaca. Their aim is to request work there,” she said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like the shutdown will be underway til mid January.

A large swath of the federal government is shut down — and so are negotiations to reopen it.

President Donald Trump’s standoff with Democratic leaders over the border wall dragged into a third day on Monday, with no hopes on either side of a Christmas deal to break the stalemate. It’s been 48 hours since the last real discussions between Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Vice President Mike Pence, and there's growing sentiment in the Capitol that the closure could drag on until mid-January.

Why is Trump acting like a child? No one wants this stupid wall.

From WaPo, here is latest polling on support for the wall:

A recent CNN poll showed that 61 percent of respondents oppose building a border wall without any funding from Mexico. Only 33 percent of respondents support such a plan, including 75 percent of Republicans, 32 percent of independents and just 4 percent of Democrats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-claims-without-evidence-that-most-of-the-people-not-getting-paid-in-partial-government-shutdown-are-democrats/2018/12/27/afbc992a-09cc-11e9-88e3-989a3e456820_story.html?utm_term=.f370314027d5

Trump needs to stand down.

Does your poll indicate what percentage of residents in "border states" oppose or support a Wall? That would be a more significant data point since it's border state residents who have to deal with the brunt of illegal immigration that a Wall is designed to prevent.

I'm sure you know why D.C. and the surrounding suburbs are subject to such blatantly obvious de facto segregation, including actual physical walls in the wealthier areas.

You might remember there was a big nationwide poll on November 6. The border states of California and New Mexico overwhelmingly elected Democrats. In the border states of Arizona and Texas, the former elected a Democratic Senator for the first time in 30 years and the latter came closer to doing so than at any time since the 1980s, and Democrats made historic gains up and down the ballot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:F*ck this idiot. Impeach the president, please. https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1078638249562775552

Well, that money can now be sent to Mexico, as they will most likely need it.

The US gave Honduras $181m last year - not in liquid assets (to prevent theft) but in the form of training and resources. Clearly, this help hasn't done any good, as the poorest of the poor are trying to leave. So we either readjust our priorities and use the support for the poorest in those countries, or we cut the aid and use it for our own poor.

I prefer the latter.



https://www.gazettextra.com/news/nation_world/another-bigger-migrant-caravan-is-set-to-leave-from-honduras/article_12ec7e25-5e2f-5151-b35d-f05f4293d825.html
Another, bigger migrant caravan is set to leave from Honduras next month

Garrido said this new, larger caravan will probably be joined by more people in El Salvador and in Guatemala, but she said they don’t plan on coming straight to the Tijuana-San Diego border, where resources are already stretched nearly to a breaking point.

“They will stay in the south of Mexico in Chiapas and Oaxaca. Their aim is to request work there,” she said.

Short sighted trumpian logic with no concept of American soft power or Pax Americana. International relations is all zero sum transactional relations with you people. Oh well, it was nice when America lauded its intellectuals instead of hoisting its simpletons to the upper echelons of governance in furtherance of a kakistocracy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can't y'all just call Cliven Bundy and his boys to defend the border? It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper he'd probably do it for some chewing tobacco and a pair of clean socks.

another ignorant response

I won't assume you're a liberal, however, as I know lines can oftentimes be blurry.

Ignorant is ignorant. And while you may THINK you're being funny, you just look like a f-ing moron.

If you want to argue, use some research. If not, find a crowd of buffoons who enjoy your humor and take your show on the road.

Speaking of funny, THAT was hilarious.
I don't see jsteele stamped on your comment so I better take my show on the road or what?



Right - that's what I thought.