APS Elementary Planning Mtg at Swanson - Option 1 in, Option 2 out, McKinley Moms out of contro

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Where is this notion coming from that neighborhood Key would be a Title I? ASFS isn’t current Title I, right? Was Key Title I when it had neighborhood preference?

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Anonymous wrote:Where is this notion coming from that neighborhood Key would be a Title I? ASFS isn’t current Title I, right? Was Key Title I when it had neighborhood preference?

You can crunch the numbers...but it depends on if APS decides to concentrate FARMs at one school and what % of MC/UMC option out (or go Catholic).

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah. I throw the flag on that. Neighborhood key will not face same issues as the West Pike (this is PP who moved to NA). No way. You all need to get over yourselves.

Yeah, this. A neighborhood Key will have roughly the demographics it does now. Not anything approaching Carlin Springs (81% fr/l).

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Anonymous wrote:Where is this notion coming from that neighborhood Key would be a Title I? ASFS isn’t current Title I, right? Was Key Title I when it had neighborhood preference?

You can crunch the numbers...but it depends on if APS decides to concentrate FARMs at one school and what % of MC/UMC option out (or go Catholic).

I have looked at the numbers, and I’m not seeing a realistic scenario where neighborhood Key is Title I. This feels like a scare tactic from the Keep Key on Key and Save McKinley folks to avoid having any schools move.

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Total scare tactic.

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What was the Key attendance area already sends 40% of their economically disadvantaged students to SF a Key neighborhood school will also include wealthy areas too and the split up of what is now Taylor and Long Branches attendance areas. I think with Key as a neighborhood school there’s a much better chance to balance the area and give all those schools similar demographics which isn’t possible currently.

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Anonymous wrote:What was the Key attendance area already sends 40% of their economically disadvantaged students to SF a Key neighborhood school will also include wealthy areas too and the split up of what is now Taylor and Long Branches attendance areas. I think with Key as a neighborhood school there’s a much better chance to balance the area and give all those schools similar demographics which isn’t possible currently.

Yeah...umm where exactly does APS and the SB balance FARMs? What worries me are things like the 81 student transfers into ASFS from Taylor...what do you think is going to happen to them?

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Anonymous wrote:McK parents are the smartest of all parents.

I’m waiting for them to offer up Reed instead and get taken down by other McK parents.

They won’t. They are so outnumbered. The few who are still pushing the McMap don’t have the support of the greater community. Plenty of us are tired of them giving us rational cardinals a bad name.

Then how about a flock of you other cardinals flying to a board meeting and saying so publicly to them? They need to know they don't represent the majority of McKinley. 'cause your PTA is putting out information that opposes staff's recommendations.

Please, sane McKinley parents, I beg you to speak up. And implore you to make one group public showing — either at a SB meeting or the hearing. Only one person has to speak — the others can just do the silent clap thing to show a number of you are there. I will babysit your kids for the night!

Tiptoeing around the bullies only facilitates more bullying. Sometimes the bullies need to be put in their place.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah. I throw the flag on that. Neighborhood key will not face same issues as the West Pike (this is PP who moved to NA). No way. You all need to get over yourselves.

We need more Title I schools in NA - bring the extra resources and wrap-around services to Key instead of breaking it up as we do today.

Haha Lyon Village going to a Title I school at Key? Maybe when pigs fly...I will not believe that until McKrazy sings.

Any ideas what the Great Schools rating will be at the new Neighborhood Key? Looks like Barrett is 4...that wouldn't be good for Lyon Village home prices.

Probably a five or six.

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Anonymous wrote:A majority of the McK parents I know in the affected DH/MM zone south of Rt 66 are so over this "fight" of a few and have moved on to acceptance. After reviewing everything put out, including this new convoluted option 3 map, I still think Option 1 is the only realistic solution (even though I don't like that our neighborhood school is closing) given the strong growth experienced by APS.

I think the loudest voices of opposition are from parents within a short walk of McK. And those in the immediate neighborhood who are already bothered by the morning buses.

Finally a voice of reason. When will McKrazy and Data Dude(s) be able to let it go?

(PP 16:55) Never, they will continue through the boundary process.
I’m worried they will push it too far, further anger APS staff who will then create a special pilot program to bus all of our kids to an under-capacity SA school like Drew!

Can we please stop bashing our Title I schools? We get it - you think we're awful and you paid a premium to make sure your kids wouldn't be dragged down by ours. We don't want a special pilot program to bus our kids to an over-capacity north arlington school. But the insinuation behind your comment is a put-down; there's no insinuation in mine.

Speak for yourself. My kid goes to a title I school because I could not afford to live in a non title I area. I would gladly have my kid bused to a better school where the focus of the school is on academic excellence and not bridging the achievement gap. I am absolutely not alone in my point of view. Why do you think so many families try to option out of their local failing school??? Or just move when then can?? You are welcome to stay at your school, just give us the option to get out. I would welcome a pilot!!! Or just an opt out.

I am speaking for myself. Excuse me, but I'm also Title I schools all the way through. That's why I'm sick of our Title I schools being bashed - especially by north arlington parents whose kids have never stepped foot in one.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. What SA lifers don’t know is that the classrooms and content are different. Everyone gets the LCD basic curriculum county wide. Easy to ignore 3 outlier kids who came in knowing the grade level standards which is what happened at our SA school. Yes, they occasionally got more challenging stuff. But in our NA school they have a whole cohort (1/3 of grade?) that operates beyond the grade level. Kids above grade level or just kids not struggling get a better education in NA. Most SA schools are “fine” for academics. No one will get ignored or lost. But hard to get a lot of help in excelling because there are many more needs, academic and otherwise. That’s just the reality. Many smart kids if all incomes. Not enough resources to “Personalize” learning for high achievers. People will say it was great for their kid, etc. I can bet most of those never had a chance to compare to NA equivalent. Maybe the difference doesn’t matter to some. It mattered To us.

I get it. I'm just sick of everyone making derogatory comments like their life would be over if their kid had to be in one. We know they're not the same; we don't need to constantly be reminded of it in rude, derogatory ways. Despite the differences, some of the teachers are the best and I'd put them up against north arlington teachers who don't have to/don't know how/can't handle the classrooms these teachers have to manage.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. What SA lifers don’t know is that the classrooms and content are different. Everyone gets the LCD basic curriculum county wide. Easy to ignore 3 outlier kids who came in knowing the grade level standards which is what happened at our SA school. Yes, they occasionally got more challenging stuff. But in our NA school they have a whole cohort (1/3 of grade?) that operates beyond the grade level. Kids above grade level or just kids not struggling get a better education in NA. Most SA schools are “fine” for academics. No one will get ignored or lost. But hard to get a lot of help in excelling because there are many more needs, academic and otherwise. That’s just the reality. Many smart kids if all incomes. Not enough resources to “Personalize” learning for high achievers. People will say it was great for their kid, etc. I can bet most of those never had a chance to compare to NA equivalent. Maybe the difference doesn’t matter to some. It mattered To us.

This is why we can't let Key become a neighborhood school. If immersion moves to ATS...the families left at Key will face the same issues.

Doubtful - they will be at much more affluent schools with many more resources. And moving immersion will allow others who do NOT have those things in their neighborhood schools to benefit.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. What SA lifers don’t know is that the classrooms and content are different. Everyone gets the LCD basic curriculum county wide. Easy to ignore 3 outlier kids who came in knowing the grade level standards which is what happened at our SA school. Yes, they occasionally got more challenging stuff. But in our NA school they have a whole cohort (1/3 of grade?) that operates beyond the grade level. Kids above grade level or just kids not struggling get a better education in NA. Most SA schools are “fine” for academics. No one will get ignored or lost. But hard to get a lot of help in excelling because there are many more needs, academic and otherwise. That’s just the reality. Many smart kids if all incomes. Not enough resources to “Personalize” learning for high achievers. People will say it was great for their kid, etc. I can bet most of those never had a chance to compare to NA equivalent. Maybe the difference doesn’t matter to some. It mattered To us.

I get it. I'm just sick of everyone making derogatory comments like their life would be over if their kid had to be in one. We know they're not the same; we don't need to constantly be reminded of it in rude, derogatory ways. Despite the differences, some of the teachers are the best and I'd put them up against north arlington teachers who don't have to/don't know how/can't handle the classrooms these teachers have to manage.

75% of DCUM posts are parents fearful their kids will have to attend a public school with poor brown kids

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. What SA lifers don’t know is that the classrooms and content are different. Everyone gets the LCD basic curriculum county wide. Easy to ignore 3 outlier kids who came in knowing the grade level standards which is what happened at our SA school. Yes, they occasionally got more challenging stuff. But in our NA school they have a whole cohort (1/3 of grade?) that operates beyond the grade level. Kids above grade level or just kids not struggling get a better education in NA. Most SA schools are “fine” for academics. No one will get ignored or lost. But hard to get a lot of help in excelling because there are many more needs, academic and otherwise. That’s just the reality. Many smart kids if all incomes. Not enough resources to “Personalize” learning for high achievers. People will say it was great for their kid, etc. I can bet most of those never had a chance to compare to NA equivalent. Maybe the difference doesn’t matter to some. It mattered To us.

I get it. I'm just sick of everyone making derogatory comments like their life would be over if their kid had to be in one. We know they're not the same; we don't need to constantly be reminded of it in rude, derogatory ways. Despite the differences, some of the teachers are the best and I'd put them up against north arlington teachers who don't have to/don't know how/can't handle the classrooms these teachers have to manage.

75% of DCUM posts are parents fearful their kids will have to attend a public school with poor brown kids

No, they’re concerned about attending a school that is high poverty. Our high poverty schools are organized to help poor kids. That’s great. But they aren’t geared towards serving all students, and especially not affluent kids who are ahead of grade level thanks to years of high quality preschool, extracurriculars, and other parental enrichment. They don’t want their kids twiddling their thumbs, because let’s be honest, teachers aren’t multitaskers, individualized learning is a buzzword meant to replace tracking, which is actually feasible, and if one group of students is going to get most of the teachers time and attention, it should be the poor kids who are behind.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. What SA lifers don’t know is that the classrooms and content are different. Everyone gets the LCD basic curriculum county wide. Easy to ignore 3 outlier kids who came in knowing the grade level standards which is what happened at our SA school. Yes, they occasionally got more challenging stuff. But in our NA school they have a whole cohort (1/3 of grade?) that operates beyond the grade level. Kids above grade level or just kids not struggling get a better education in NA. Most SA schools are “fine” for academics. No one will get ignored or lost. But hard to get a lot of help in excelling because there are many more needs, academic and otherwise. That’s just the reality. Many smart kids if all incomes. Not enough resources to “Personalize” learning for high achievers. People will say it was great for their kid, etc. I can bet most of those never had a chance to compare to NA equivalent. Maybe the difference doesn’t matter to some. It mattered To us.

I get it. I'm just sick of everyone making derogatory comments like their life would be over if their kid had to be in one. We know they're not the same; we don't need to constantly be reminded of it in rude, derogatory ways. Despite the differences, some of the teachers are the best and I'd put them up against north arlington teachers who don't have to/don't know how/can't handle the classrooms these teachers have to manage.

75% of DCUM posts are parents fearful their kids will have to attend a public school with poor brown kids

Only weak minded individuals without a coherent point to make use the term “brown kids” and invent statistics.

Few Arlington parents care about skin color. They care about schools that can maximize the resources that are funneled to their own kids. Period.