Redshirting August boy?

[Anonymous]

Oh my god SHUT UP

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Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

Funny how you are not at all ashamed of showing how little you can actually read.

The anti redshirt nut considers herself right up there with the celebrated experts of the APP. She's a legend in her own warped mind.

We should get the anti-redshirters to try math again. High entertainment value.

You are saying your kids have social and emotional delays and got them no help. That is neglect. Your kids could not get into these privates otherwise as they were not what you or the schools considered perfect.

I’m convinced this poster is a poll whether they realize it or not. Delaying the youngest kids in a grade is because of maturity issues due to being ten to twelve (or more) months younger than a portion of their classmates. That is not a delay. That’s developmental maturity, a concept you cannot seem to grasp.

Private schools will help guide you through this process to determine the best placement for children with borderline birthdays to thrive. So take your special needs pushing elsewhere. There’s nothing wrong with special needs. But it’s entirely different from maturity based on being on the younger side of a 12 month spectrum. And by the way, sometimes kids with special needs who are young for the grade also benefit from extra time as they can actually be delayed and their placement would be appropriate in either grade. So just get a life and stop putting labels on kids, you loser.

Not the poster you’re replying to but then doesn’t that just turn a different cohort of kids (say, the may and June kids) into the youngest kids in a 12 month span (or a 14 month span thanks to redshirting) who then would ALSO benefit from being held back, because it’s tough for those kids to be in a class with kids who are that much older and more mature, if they themselves are a little immature? When does it stop? With the March/ April kids? Where is the cutoff for redshirting being ok? Because if all august kids redshirt, then July is the new august. So when July kids start redshirting, June becomes the new august. What is the cutoff??

Because the “real” cutoff is sept 1 (or whatever date it is in your own county). But I feel like a lot of redshirting parents will say “oh we redshirted our july boy but it’s crazy to see these May kids redshirted”. So people who think that way clearly don’t really think parents should be able to choose when their kids start school, they just want the cutoff to favor their child. That’s it.

Yea, it does create a new cohort of kids who are the youngest in the class. Some kids will do okay as the youngest, as some will benefit from being the oldest. What seems less fair that taking it on a kid by kid basis is essentially making birthdays a lottery system- let’s assume the 9/1 cut off above: if you’re born late in the summer, you’re out of luck compared to the September and October kids. There will usually be statistically proven disadvantages of being the youngest. If your kid falls into that bracket, it’s good to have some flexibility so they don’t end up a statistic. May parents will cry about this because now it makes their kid potentially younger, but even that is sort of silly because a) they won’t be and b) the kids who are redshirted are generally outliers and do not comprise close to the majority of the class.

If the majority of august kids redshirt, then the July kids will absolutely become the youngest. And when the July kids redshirt, the June kids become the youngest. And so on and so forth. People who resdshirt their kids feel exactly as you say- that their kids are the youngest, they don’t like that, so instead they make them the oldest by holding them back a grade. Which, in turn, makes a different cohort of kids (the early summer kids) the youngest when previously those kids would have had a handful of children younger than them.

So, then, those kids redshirt. Now the spring kids are the youngest when prior to redshirting, they’d have been late middle of the pack, age wise. It just continues. This is why there should be a firm cutoff, absent a doctors letter.

OMG this again! Not all summer kids are redshirted because not all summer kids need more time!!! There are plenty of kids that go on time! At my kids’ private school it’s half and half I think. So yes, there will be fewer august and July birthday than a normal cohort, but there will be some! A good friend of mine sent her July boy on time and will be sending her June girl as well. Another girl in my daughter’s grade was born at the end of August and she went on time. Another girl in my you get daughter’s class has a July’s birthday and she is also not redshirted. I can give you just as many examples of kids that were redshirted. The point is that not all August and July kids are redshirted so your June /May snowflake will not be the youngest in his grade/class. Relax. If he is ready, send him on time, if he is not, hold him back.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

Funny how you are not at all ashamed of showing how little you can actually read.

The anti redshirt nut considers herself right up there with the celebrated experts of the APP. She's a legend in her own warped mind.

We should get the anti-redshirters to try math again. High entertainment value.

You are saying your kids have social and emotional delays and got them no help. That is neglect. Your kids could not get into these privates otherwise as they were not what you or the schools considered perfect.

My kids are great. Zero delays. Tall. Mature.

We gave them an extra year of preschool because Kindergarten is not age appropriate.

Of course it's age appropriate.

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Anonymous wrote:The kids I know who redshirted, their families are exactly the type id expect to redshirt their kids. That’s all. A lot of them now complain that they wish area sports were grade based, not birth year based, because “it is hard to always have him be with the 3rd graders when he is a second grader”. Mind you this is for , say, August birthday boys who are basically in the middle, age-wise, for a birth year based sports team lol.

Anyways like I said whenever I find out a kid was held back/ is a year old for his grade it’s always “oh, well yeah knowing his parents that makes sense”.

This 100%.

Also, fwiw, in our child's grade at a big 3 elementary, it is the red shirted boys who have consistently caused the most disruption (in a grade that has many more boys than girls for some reason), which has led to many parents waging serious complaints to the school administration and admissions.

If your kids actually went to a big 3 elementary, then you'd know that the schools are forcing summer boys to redshirt. It's not even a choice for parents if they want their kids to attend. The "type of parents" are parents who send their summer bday kids to big 3.

Ever think of what that says about the school if they don't want summer kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

Funny how you are not at all ashamed of showing how little you can actually read.

The anti redshirt nut considers herself right up there with the celebrated experts of the APP. She's a legend in her own warped mind.

We should get the anti-redshirters to try math again. High entertainment value.

You are saying your kids have social and emotional delays and got them no help. That is neglect. Your kids could not get into these privates otherwise as they were not what you or the schools considered perfect.

I’m convinced this poster is a poll whether they realize it or not. Delaying the youngest kids in a grade is because of maturity issues due to being ten to twelve (or more) months younger than a portion of their classmates. That is not a delay. That’s developmental maturity, a concept you cannot seem to grasp.

Private schools will help guide you through this process to determine the best placement for children with borderline birthdays to thrive. So take your special needs pushing elsewhere. There’s nothing wrong with special needs. But it’s entirely different from maturity based on being on the younger side of a 12 month spectrum. And by the way, sometimes kids with special needs who are young for the grade also benefit from extra time as they can actually be delayed and their placement would be appropriate in either grade. So just get a life and stop putting labels on kids, you loser.

Not the poster you’re replying to but then doesn’t that just turn a different cohort of kids (say, the may and June kids) into the youngest kids in a 12 month span (or a 14 month span thanks to redshirting) who then would ALSO benefit from being held back, because it’s tough for those kids to be in a class with kids who are that much older and more mature, if they themselves are a little immature? When does it stop? With the March/ April kids? Where is the cutoff for redshirting being ok? Because if all august kids redshirt, then July is the new august. So when July kids start redshirting, June becomes the new august. What is the cutoff??

Because the “real” cutoff is sept 1 (or whatever date it is in your own county). But I feel like a lot of redshirting parents will say “oh we redshirted our july boy but it’s crazy to see these May kids redshirted”. So people who think that way clearly don’t really think parents should be able to choose when their kids start school, they just want the cutoff to favor their child. That’s it.

Yea, it does create a new cohort of kids who are the youngest in the class. Some kids will do okay as the youngest, as some will benefit from being the oldest. What seems less fair that taking it on a kid by kid basis is essentially making birthdays a lottery system- let’s assume the 9/1 cut off above: if you’re born late in the summer, you’re out of luck compared to the September and October kids. There will usually be statistically proven disadvantages of being the youngest. If your kid falls into that bracket, it’s good to have some flexibility so they don’t end up a statistic. May parents will cry about this because now it makes their kid potentially younger, but even that is sort of silly because a) they won’t be and b) the kids who are redshirted are generally outliers and do not comprise close to the majority of the class.

If the majority of august kids redshirt, then the July kids will absolutely become the youngest. And when the July kids redshirt, the June kids become the youngest. And so on and so forth. People who resdshirt their kids feel exactly as you say- that their kids are the youngest, they don’t like that, so instead they make them the oldest by holding them back a grade. Which, in turn, makes a different cohort of kids (the early summer kids) the youngest when previously those kids would have had a handful of children younger than them.

So, then, those kids redshirt. Now the spring kids are the youngest when prior to redshirting, they’d have been late middle of the pack, age wise. It just continues. This is why there should be a firm cutoff, absent a doctors letter.

Okay but it doesn’t solve the larger problem at hand which is that there seems to be difficulty teaching to there varying levels of a 12 month age gap, particularly in an increasingly competitive academic ecosystem.

And, yet the publics with a diverse population and more kids seem to make it work. So, maybe something is wrong with those schools that cannot handle a 12 month range. It seems unfair to hold back a Summer/September child who is reading and academically ready vs. a 6 year old who isn't reading and struggling academically but has wealthy parent who are willing to jump hoops to get into the school. I'd be concerned about a 6 year old not reading.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

Funny how you are not at all ashamed of showing how little you can actually read.

The anti redshirt nut considers herself right up there with the celebrated experts of the APP. She's a legend in her own warped mind.

We should get the anti-redshirters to try math again. High entertainment value.

You are saying your kids have social and emotional delays and got them no help. That is neglect. Your kids could not get into these privates otherwise as they were not what you or the schools considered perfect.

I’m convinced this poster is a poll whether they realize it or not. Delaying the youngest kids in a grade is because of maturity issues due to being ten to twelve (or more) months younger than a portion of their classmates. That is not a delay. That’s developmental maturity, a concept you cannot seem to grasp.

Private schools will help guide you through this process to determine the best placement for children with borderline birthdays to thrive. So take your special needs pushing elsewhere. There’s nothing wrong with special needs. But it’s entirely different from maturity based on being on the younger side of a 12 month spectrum. And by the way, sometimes kids with special needs who are young for the grade also benefit from extra time as they can actually be delayed and their placement would be appropriate in either grade. So just get a life and stop putting labels on kids, you loser.

Not the poster you’re replying to but then doesn’t that just turn a different cohort of kids (say, the may and June kids) into the youngest kids in a 12 month span (or a 14 month span thanks to redshirting) who then would ALSO benefit from being held back, because it’s tough for those kids to be in a class with kids who are that much older and more mature, if they themselves are a little immature? When does it stop? With the March/ April kids? Where is the cutoff for redshirting being ok? Because if all august kids redshirt, then July is the new august. So when July kids start redshirting, June becomes the new august. What is the cutoff??

Because the “real” cutoff is sept 1 (or whatever date it is in your own county). But I feel like a lot of redshirting parents will say “oh we redshirted our july boy but it’s crazy to see these May kids redshirted”. So people who think that way clearly don’t really think parents should be able to choose when their kids start school, they just want the cutoff to favor their child. That’s it.

Yea, it does create a new cohort of kids who are the youngest in the class. Some kids will do okay as the youngest, as some will benefit from being the oldest. What seems less fair that taking it on a kid by kid basis is essentially making birthdays a lottery system- let’s assume the 9/1 cut off above: if you’re born late in the summer, you’re out of luck compared to the September and October kids. There will usually be statistically proven disadvantages of being the youngest. If your kid falls into that bracket, it’s good to have some flexibility so they don’t end up a statistic. May parents will cry about this because now it makes their kid potentially younger, but even that is sort of silly because a) they won’t be and b) the kids who are redshirted are generally outliers and do not comprise close to the majority of the class.

If the majority of august kids redshirt, then the July kids will absolutely become the youngest. And when the July kids redshirt, the June kids become the youngest. And so on and so forth. People who resdshirt their kids feel exactly as you say- that their kids are the youngest, they don’t like that, so instead they make them the oldest by holding them back a grade. Which, in turn, makes a different cohort of kids (the early summer kids) the youngest when previously those kids would have had a handful of children younger than them.

So, then, those kids redshirt. Now the spring kids are the youngest when prior to redshirting, they’d have been late middle of the pack, age wise. It just continues. This is why there should be a firm cutoff, absent a doctors letter.

Okay but it doesn’t solve the larger problem at hand which is that there seems to be difficulty teaching to there varying levels of a 12 month age gap, particularly in an increasingly competitive academic ecosystem.

And, yet the publics with a diverse population and more kids seem to make it work. So, maybe something is wrong with those schools that cannot handle a 12 month range. It seems unfair to hold back a Summer/September child who is reading and academically ready vs. a 6 year old who isn't reading and struggling academically but has wealthy parent who are willing to jump hoops to get into the school. I'd be concerned about a 6 year old not reading.

The publics are..... making it work? If you say so. Perusing the public school forums suggest otherwise. It's almost as if you've never heard of the achievement gap.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

Funny how you are not at all ashamed of showing how little you can actually read.

The anti redshirt nut considers herself right up there with the celebrated experts of the APP. She's a legend in her own warped mind.

We should get the anti-redshirters to try math again. High entertainment value.

You are saying your kids have social and emotional delays and got them no help. That is neglect. Your kids could not get into these privates otherwise as they were not what you or the schools considered perfect.

I’m convinced this poster is a poll whether they realize it or not. Delaying the youngest kids in a grade is because of maturity issues due to being ten to twelve (or more) months younger than a portion of their classmates. That is not a delay. That’s developmental maturity, a concept you cannot seem to grasp.

Private schools will help guide you through this process to determine the best placement for children with borderline birthdays to thrive. So take your special needs pushing elsewhere. There’s nothing wrong with special needs. But it’s entirely different from maturity based on being on the younger side of a 12 month spectrum. And by the way, sometimes kids with special needs who are young for the grade also benefit from extra time as they can actually be delayed and their placement would be appropriate in either grade. So just get a life and stop putting labels on kids, you loser.

Not the poster you’re replying to but then doesn’t that just turn a different cohort of kids (say, the may and June kids) into the youngest kids in a 12 month span (or a 14 month span thanks to redshirting) who then would ALSO benefit from being held back, because it’s tough for those kids to be in a class with kids who are that much older and more mature, if they themselves are a little immature? When does it stop? With the March/ April kids? Where is the cutoff for redshirting being ok? Because if all august kids redshirt, then July is the new august. So when July kids start redshirting, June becomes the new august. What is the cutoff??

Because the “real” cutoff is sept 1 (or whatever date it is in your own county). But I feel like a lot of redshirting parents will say “oh we redshirted our july boy but it’s crazy to see these May kids redshirted”. So people who think that way clearly don’t really think parents should be able to choose when their kids start school, they just want the cutoff to favor their child. That’s it.

Yea, it does create a new cohort of kids who are the youngest in the class. Some kids will do okay as the youngest, as some will benefit from being the oldest. What seems less fair that taking it on a kid by kid basis is essentially making birthdays a lottery system- let’s assume the 9/1 cut off above: if you’re born late in the summer, you’re out of luck compared to the September and October kids. There will usually be statistically proven disadvantages of being the youngest. If your kid falls into that bracket, it’s good to have some flexibility so they don’t end up a statistic. May parents will cry about this because now it makes their kid potentially younger, but even that is sort of silly because a) they won’t be and b) the kids who are redshirted are generally outliers and do not comprise close to the majority of the class.

If the majority of august kids redshirt, then the July kids will absolutely become the youngest. And when the July kids redshirt, the June kids become the youngest. And so on and so forth. People who resdshirt their kids feel exactly as you say- that their kids are the youngest, they don’t like that, so instead they make them the oldest by holding them back a grade. Which, in turn, makes a different cohort of kids (the early summer kids) the youngest when previously those kids would have had a handful of children younger than them.

So, then, those kids redshirt. Now the spring kids are the youngest when prior to redshirting, they’d have been late middle of the pack, age wise. It just continues. This is why there should be a firm cutoff, absent a doctors letter.

Okay but it doesn’t solve the larger problem at hand which is that there seems to be difficulty teaching to there varying levels of a 12 month age gap, particularly in an increasingly competitive academic ecosystem.

And, yet the publics with a diverse population and more kids seem to make it work. So, maybe something is wrong with those schools that cannot handle a 12 month range. It seems unfair to hold back a Summer/September child who is reading and academically ready vs. a 6 year old who isn't reading and struggling academically but has wealthy parent who are willing to jump hoops to get into the school. I'd be concerned about a 6 year old not reading.

They don’t “make it work.” The families are forced to make it work because they cannot swing an extra year of private school, and for example, in the article below in NYC, the cutoffs are strict. There is no redshirting. So kids born in the last few months of the year are out of luck and diagnosed with learning disabilities at higher rates. “ Children born in the last two months of the year were 65% more likely to be classified as having learning disabilities than those born during the first two months, a Chalkbeat analysis of the IBO data revealed.”

https://ny.chalkbeat.org/2020/2/4/21178551/your-child-s-birth-month-matters-nyc-students-born-in-november-and-december-are-classified-with-lear?_amp=true

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

Funny how you are not at all ashamed of showing how little you can actually read.

The anti redshirt nut considers herself right up there with the celebrated experts of the APP. She's a legend in her own warped mind.

We should get the anti-redshirters to try math again. High entertainment value.

You are saying your kids have social and emotional delays and got them no help. That is neglect. Your kids could not get into these privates otherwise as they were not what you or the schools considered perfect.

I’m convinced this poster is a poll whether they realize it or not. Delaying the youngest kids in a grade is because of maturity issues due to being ten to twelve (or more) months younger than a portion of their classmates. That is not a delay. That’s developmental maturity, a concept you cannot seem to grasp.

Private schools will help guide you through this process to determine the best placement for children with borderline birthdays to thrive. So take your special needs pushing elsewhere. There’s nothing wrong with special needs. But it’s entirely different from maturity based on being on the younger side of a 12 month spectrum. And by the way, sometimes kids with special needs who are young for the grade also benefit from extra time as they can actually be delayed and their placement would be appropriate in either grade. So just get a life and stop putting labels on kids, you loser.

Not the poster you’re replying to but then doesn’t that just turn a different cohort of kids (say, the may and June kids) into the youngest kids in a 12 month span (or a 14 month span thanks to redshirting) who then would ALSO benefit from being held back, because it’s tough for those kids to be in a class with kids who are that much older and more mature, if they themselves are a little immature? When does it stop? With the March/ April kids? Where is the cutoff for redshirting being ok? Because if all august kids redshirt, then July is the new august. So when July kids start redshirting, June becomes the new august. What is the cutoff??

Because the “real” cutoff is sept 1 (or whatever date it is in your own county). But I feel like a lot of redshirting parents will say “oh we redshirted our july boy but it’s crazy to see these May kids redshirted”. So people who think that way clearly don’t really think parents should be able to choose when their kids start school, they just want the cutoff to favor their child. That’s it.

Yea, it does create a new cohort of kids who are the youngest in the class. Some kids will do okay as the youngest, as some will benefit from being the oldest. What seems less fair that taking it on a kid by kid basis is essentially making birthdays a lottery system- let’s assume the 9/1 cut off above: if you’re born late in the summer, you’re out of luck compared to the September and October kids. There will usually be statistically proven disadvantages of being the youngest. If your kid falls into that bracket, it’s good to have some flexibility so they don’t end up a statistic. May parents will cry about this because now it makes their kid potentially younger, but even that is sort of silly because a) they won’t be and b) the kids who are redshirted are generally outliers and do not comprise close to the majority of the class.

If the majority of august kids redshirt, then the July kids will absolutely become the youngest. And when the July kids redshirt, the June kids become the youngest. And so on and so forth. People who resdshirt their kids feel exactly as you say- that their kids are the youngest, they don’t like that, so instead they make them the oldest by holding them back a grade. Which, in turn, makes a different cohort of kids (the early summer kids) the youngest when previously those kids would have had a handful of children younger than them.

So, then, those kids redshirt. Now the spring kids are the youngest when prior to redshirting, they’d have been late middle of the pack, age wise. It just continues. This is why there should be a firm cutoff, absent a doctors letter.

This is the private school forum, my dear confused friend. As has been repeated multiple times for the remarkably dense anti-redshirt posters in this thread, who can’t quite figure out this most basic of concepts, private schools make their own admissions decisions. They admit applicants for the year they choose. They’ve been choosing applicants for many, many years and shaping the birthdate profile of their classes for as long. Yet your oddly apocalyptic birthday scenario has not come to pass.

I do not understand why you people are so totally unable to understand the basics. I query how you manage to function at all in life.

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Anonymous wrote:The kids I know who redshirted, their families are exactly the type id expect to redshirt their kids. That’s all. A lot of them now complain that they wish area sports were grade based, not birth year based, because “it is hard to always have him be with the 3rd graders when he is a second grader”. Mind you this is for , say, August birthday boys who are basically in the middle, age-wise, for a birth year based sports team lol.

Anyways like I said whenever I find out a kid was held back/ is a year old for his grade it’s always “oh, well yeah knowing his parents that makes sense”.

This 100%.

Also, fwiw, in our child's grade at a big 3 elementary, it is the red shirted boys who have consistently caused the most disruption (in a grade that has many more boys than girls for some reason), which has led to many parents waging serious complaints to the school administration and admissions.

What does this even mean?

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Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

Funny how you are not at all ashamed of showing how little you can actually read.

The anti redshirt nut considers herself right up there with the celebrated experts of the APP. She's a legend in her own warped mind.

We should get the anti-redshirters to try math again. High entertainment value.

You are saying your kids have social and emotional delays and got them no help. That is neglect. Your kids could not get into these privates otherwise as they were not what you or the schools considered perfect.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Man, anti-redshirters are comedy gold. Love these threads.

Ask them how old the redshirted kids are when they graduate HS or college. It's hilarious.

Um… 18 when he graduated high school. What’s the hilarious part ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

Funny how you are not at all ashamed of showing how little you can actually read.

The anti redshirt nut considers herself right up there with the celebrated experts of the APP. She's a legend in her own warped mind.

We should get the anti-redshirters to try math again. High entertainment value.

You are saying your kids have social and emotional delays and got them no help. That is neglect. Your kids could not get into these privates otherwise as they were not what you or the schools considered perfect.

My kids are great. Zero delays. Tall. Mature.

We gave them an extra year of preschool because Kindergarten is not age appropriate.

Of course it's age appropriate.

No, it’s not. 4-5 year olds should be learning through open play. Not in 6+ hours of structured activities each day.

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Anonymous wrote:My August son basically "failed" his entrance evaluation for first grade. The school said he wasn't ready, even though he was already reading. He was very shy and anxious, and kind of shut down during the evaluation. They recommended pre-first, something I didn't even know existed before that. At the time, I thought it was just a scam to get an extra year of $$ from us if we went to the school. In the end, we did it though, and it was easily the best thing for him. He did the pre-first year, then first grade was with many of those kids and most were within 3-6 months in terms of age. He wasn't the oldest, wasn't the youngest.

The class above him, which would have been his if we sent him right to first grade, turned out to be very clique-y and just not all that nice. My son's class had great kids and great parents. And we got an extra year with him before he moves away to college and beyond. He's in HS now and in hindsight, that pre-first year was one of the best decisions we made.

WTH is "pre-first". Are you in the US? You mean Kindergarten which every school has?

It’s a thing in Baltimore. It’s bizzare but they add an extra grade to take more kids in. Money grab.

NP. I am in Baltimore. We were on a huge amount of financial aid and they still recommended my kid for pre-first, so I don’t think it’s all about the Benjamins; they definitely lost money on us! It was a fantastic year and we have absolutely no regrets. He grew so much, emotionally, in that year. He’s had a very successful school experience, and while I can’t say for certain that it was due to pre-first, I can say that pre-first didn’t hurt.

Baltimore private schools have been near universally recommending summer birthdays for pre-first (effectively redshirting) for roughly 40 years now. If it led to poor educational outcomes, believe me, they'd know it by now. But yes, natural law lady definitely should not move to Baltimore. Her head would probably explode.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

Funny how you are not at all ashamed of showing how little you can actually read.

The anti redshirt nut considers herself right up there with the celebrated experts of the APP. She's a legend in her own warped mind.

We should get the anti-redshirters to try math again. High entertainment value.

You are saying your kids have social and emotional delays and got them no help. That is neglect. Your kids could not get into these privates otherwise as they were not what you or the schools considered perfect.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Man, anti-redshirters are comedy gold. Love these threads.

Ask them how old the redshirted kids are when they graduate HS or college. It's hilarious.

Um… 18 when he graduated high school. What’s the hilarious part ?

When the anti-redshirters are raging about 20 year olds in HS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The kids I know who redshirted, their families are exactly the type id expect to redshirt their kids. That’s all. A lot of them now complain that they wish area sports were grade based, not birth year based, because “it is hard to always have him be with the 3rd graders when he is a second grader”. Mind you this is for , say, August birthday boys who are basically in the middle, age-wise, for a birth year based sports team lol.

Anyways like I said whenever I find out a kid was held back/ is a year old for his grade it’s always “oh, well yeah knowing his parents that makes sense”.

This 100%.

Also, fwiw, in our child's grade at a big 3 elementary, it is the red shirted boys who have consistently caused the most disruption (in a grade that has many more boys than girls for some reason), which has led to many parents waging serious complaints to the school administration and admissions.

If your kids actually went to a big 3 elementary, then you'd know that the schools are forcing summer boys to redshirt. It's not even a choice for parents if they want their kids to attend. The "type of parents" are parents who send their summer bday kids to big 3.

Ever think of what that says about the school if they don't want summer kids?

They know that structured activities for 6+ hours a day isn’t age appropriate for 4-5 year olds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

Funny how you are not at all ashamed of showing how little you can actually read.

The anti redshirt nut considers herself right up there with the celebrated experts of the APP. She's a legend in her own warped mind.

We should get the anti-redshirters to try math again. High entertainment value.

You are saying your kids have social and emotional delays and got them no help. That is neglect. Your kids could not get into these privates otherwise as they were not what you or the schools considered perfect.

I’m convinced this poster is a poll whether they realize it or not. Delaying the youngest kids in a grade is because of maturity issues due to being ten to twelve (or more) months younger than a portion of their classmates. That is not a delay. That’s developmental maturity, a concept you cannot seem to grasp.

Private schools will help guide you through this process to determine the best placement for children with borderline birthdays to thrive. So take your special needs pushing elsewhere. There’s nothing wrong with special needs. But it’s entirely different from maturity based on being on the younger side of a 12 month spectrum. And by the way, sometimes kids with special needs who are young for the grade also benefit from extra time as they can actually be delayed and their placement would be appropriate in either grade. So just get a life and stop putting labels on kids, you loser.

Not the poster you’re replying to but then doesn’t that just turn a different cohort of kids (say, the may and June kids) into the youngest kids in a 12 month span (or a 14 month span thanks to redshirting) who then would ALSO benefit from being held back, because it’s tough for those kids to be in a class with kids who are that much older and more mature, if they themselves are a little immature? When does it stop? With the March/ April kids? Where is the cutoff for redshirting being ok? Because if all august kids redshirt, then July is the new august. So when July kids start redshirting, June becomes the new august. What is the cutoff??

Because the “real” cutoff is sept 1 (or whatever date it is in your own county). But I feel like a lot of redshirting parents will say “oh we redshirted our july boy but it’s crazy to see these May kids redshirted”. So people who think that way clearly don’t really think parents should be able to choose when their kids start school, they just want the cutoff to favor their child. That’s it.

Yea, it does create a new cohort of kids who are the youngest in the class. Some kids will do okay as the youngest, as some will benefit from being the oldest. What seems less fair that taking it on a kid by kid basis is essentially making birthdays a lottery system- let’s assume the 9/1 cut off above: if you’re born late in the summer, you’re out of luck compared to the September and October kids. There will usually be statistically proven disadvantages of being the youngest. If your kid falls into that bracket, it’s good to have some flexibility so they don’t end up a statistic. May parents will cry about this because now it makes their kid potentially younger, but even that is sort of silly because a) they won’t be and b) the kids who are redshirted are generally outliers and do not comprise close to the majority of the class.

If the majority of august kids redshirt, then the July kids will absolutely become the youngest. And when the July kids redshirt, the June kids become the youngest. And so on and so forth. People who resdshirt their kids feel exactly as you say- that their kids are the youngest, they don’t like that, so instead they make them the oldest by holding them back a grade. Which, in turn, makes a different cohort of kids (the early summer kids) the youngest when previously those kids would have had a handful of children younger than them.

So, then, those kids redshirt. Now the spring kids are the youngest when prior to redshirting, they’d have been late middle of the pack, age wise. It just continues. This is why there should be a firm cutoff, absent a doctors letter.

That isn’t why people redshirt, dumba$$.