TJ Discrimination Case

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

Yes, it does seem odd they're trying to rewrite history to support this false narrative of a past that never was. Everyone who knows anything also was aware there was widespread cheating.

Agree under the new system the top kids are getting in not just those who require prep to give the appearance of gifted.

Test scores and the remedial math classes don't support your conclusion that "the top kids are getting in." I know the truth hurts, but just own it. Come out and say I don't care if the best and brightest are getting in, it's a county-wide school that needs to serve all of the taxpayers in the county so each middle school gets some seats and we aren't going to require a competitive math test to get in as we think a student body with ESL, URM, and low income students that may not fare as well on such a test is more important. Why is that so hard to come out and say that? FCPS pretty much said exactly this. Why can't the rest of us?

They actually do but some parents insist on spreading this false narrative. TJ is stronger than ever now that the playing field is level and they've put an end to cheaeting.

Discrimination against Asians does not make TJ stronger. And back up that cheating accusation with something. The county did not raise any alleged "cheating" in the lawsuit brought by Coalition for TJ. If there was any basis for the cheating narrative it would have come out. No such accusation has ever been made in a public forum.

DP. There was no need to bring it up from a legal perspective and would have just made the case muckier from an evidentiary standpoint.

Good points. The facts were already bad enough from FCPS's perspective than calling additional attention the facts would have made things that much worse for FCPS. They will only prevail if the appellate courts shut their eyes to the facts and pretend FCPS was starting from a blank slate when it adopted the new system.

LOL, you fancy yourself quite the legal eagle, don’t you.

It's hard to claim discrimination with a straight face when your 70% of a school.

It’s hard to take you seriously when you’re a bigoted idiot who can’t spell and doesn’t realize that Asians are not some monolithic group.

Any grouping isn’t going to be monolithic. White people are not some monolithic group. Black people are not some monolithic group. Hispanic people are not some monolithic group.
It amazes me that the same people who cry discrimination as green card holders in the US, have a matchmaking show on Netflix where the “Auntie” tries to find a spouse for an unmarried Indians. In the show a male participant said it’s commonly known light skin is preferred, even over a woman having a PhD.
Seems “discrimination” is ok for them to practice, but then cry foul if they think it’s the other way.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

Yes, it does seem odd they're trying to rewrite history to support this false narrative of a past that never was. Everyone who knows anything also was aware there was widespread cheating.

Agree under the new system the top kids are getting in not just those who require prep to give the appearance of gifted.

Test scores and the remedial math classes don't support your conclusion that "the top kids are getting in." I know the truth hurts, but just own it. Come out and say I don't care if the best and brightest are getting in, it's a county-wide school that needs to serve all of the taxpayers in the county so each middle school gets some seats and we aren't going to require a competitive math test to get in as we think a student body with ESL, URM, and low income students that may not fare as well on such a test is more important. Why is that so hard to come out and say that? FCPS pretty much said exactly this. Why can't the rest of us?

They actually do but some parents insist on spreading this false narrative. TJ is stronger than ever now that the playing field is level and they've put an end to cheaeting.

Discrimination against Asians does not make TJ stronger. And back up that cheating accusation with something. The county did not raise any alleged "cheating" in the lawsuit brought by Coalition for TJ. If there was any basis for the cheating narrative it would have come out. No such accusation has ever been made in a public forum.

DP. There was no need to bring it up from a legal perspective and would have just made the case muckier from an evidentiary standpoint.

Good points. The facts were already bad enough from FCPS's perspective than calling additional attention the facts would have made things that much worse for FCPS. They will only prevail if the appellate courts shut their eyes to the facts and pretend FCPS was starting from a blank slate when it adopted the new system.

LOL, you fancy yourself quite the legal eagle, don’t you.

It's hard to claim discrimination with a straight face when your 70% of a school.

It’s hard to take you seriously when you’re a bigoted idiot who can’t spell and doesn’t realize that Asians are not some monolithic group.

Any grouping isn’t going to be monolithic. White people are not some monolithic group. Black people are not some monolithic group. Hispanic people are not some monolithic group.
It amazes me that the same people who cry discrimination as green card holders in the US, have a matchmaking show on Netflix where the “Auntie” tries to find a spouse for an unmarried Indians. In the show a male participant said it’s commonly known light skin is preferred, even over a woman having a PhD.
Seems “discrimination” is ok for them to practice, but then cry foul if they think it’s the other way.

Stop excluding Asian students from TJ. Stop discriminating!

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

Yes, it does seem odd they're trying to rewrite history to support this false narrative of a past that never was. Everyone who knows anything also was aware there was widespread cheating.

Agree under the new system the top kids are getting in not just those who require prep to give the appearance of gifted.

Test scores and the remedial math classes don't support your conclusion that "the top kids are getting in." I know the truth hurts, but just own it. Come out and say I don't care if the best and brightest are getting in, it's a county-wide school that needs to serve all of the taxpayers in the county so each middle school gets some seats and we aren't going to require a competitive math test to get in as we think a student body with ESL, URM, and low income students that may not fare as well on such a test is more important. Why is that so hard to come out and say that? FCPS pretty much said exactly this. Why can't the rest of us?

They actually do but some parents insist on spreading this false narrative. TJ is stronger than ever now that the playing field is level and they've put an end to cheaeting.

Discrimination against Asians does not make TJ stronger. And back up that cheating accusation with something. The county did not raise any alleged "cheating" in the lawsuit brought by Coalition for TJ. If there was any basis for the cheating narrative it would have come out. No such accusation has ever been made in a public forum.

DP. There was no need to bring it up from a legal perspective and would have just made the case muckier from an evidentiary standpoint.

Good points. The facts were already bad enough from FCPS's perspective than calling additional attention the facts would have made things that much worse for FCPS. They will only prevail if the appellate courts shut their eyes to the facts and pretend FCPS was starting from a blank slate when it adopted the new system.

LOL, you fancy yourself quite the legal eagle, don’t you.

It's hard to claim discrimination with a straight face when your 70% of a school.

It’s hard to take you seriously when you’re a bigoted idiot who can’t spell and doesn’t realize that Asians are not some monolithic group.

Any grouping isn’t going to be monolithic. White people are not some monolithic group. Black people are not some monolithic group. Hispanic people are not some monolithic group.
It amazes me that the same people who cry discrimination as green card holders in the US, have a matchmaking show on Netflix where the “Auntie” tries to find a spouse for an unmarried Indians. In the show a male participant said it’s commonly known light skin is preferred, even over a woman having a PhD.
Seems “discrimination” is ok for them to practice, but then cry foul if they think it’s the other way.

Stop excluding Asian students from TJ. Stop discriminating!

You can stop worrying, then since TJ is over 60% Asian. In fact, Asians are faring better than any other demographic group.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

Yes, it does seem odd they're trying to rewrite history to support this false narrative of a past that never was. Everyone who knows anything also was aware there was widespread cheating.

Agree under the new system the top kids are getting in not just those who require prep to give the appearance of gifted.

Test scores and the remedial math classes don't support your conclusion that "the top kids are getting in." I know the truth hurts, but just own it. Come out and say I don't care if the best and brightest are getting in, it's a county-wide school that needs to serve all of the taxpayers in the county so each middle school gets some seats and we aren't going to require a competitive math test to get in as we think a student body with ESL, URM, and low income students that may not fare as well on such a test is more important. Why is that so hard to come out and say that? FCPS pretty much said exactly this. Why can't the rest of us?

They actually do but some parents insist on spreading this false narrative. TJ is stronger than ever now that the playing field is level and they've put an end to cheaeting.

Discrimination against Asians does not make TJ stronger. And back up that cheating accusation with something. The county did not raise any alleged "cheating" in the lawsuit brought by Coalition for TJ. If there was any basis for the cheating narrative it would have come out. No such accusation has ever been made in a public forum.

DP. There was no need to bring it up from a legal perspective and would have just made the case muckier from an evidentiary standpoint.

Good points. The facts were already bad enough from FCPS's perspective than calling additional attention the facts would have made things that much worse for FCPS. They will only prevail if the appellate courts shut their eyes to the facts and pretend FCPS was starting from a blank slate when it adopted the new system.

LOL, you fancy yourself quite the legal eagle, don’t you.

It's hard to claim discrimination with a straight face when your 70% of a school.

The new racist admission policy illegally excluded qualified Asians and TJ is now about 56% Asians and it would be at least 85% Asians w/o the new form of illegal 'Chinese exclusion acts'.

Let’s make sure we don’t forget that the largest beneficiary group of the admissions changes were poor Asian students. By a WIDE margin.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

Yes, it does seem odd they're trying to rewrite history to support this false narrative of a past that never was. Everyone who knows anything also was aware there was widespread cheating.

Agree under the new system the top kids are getting in not just those who require prep to give the appearance of gifted.

Test scores and the remedial math classes don't support your conclusion that "the top kids are getting in." I know the truth hurts, but just own it. Come out and say I don't care if the best and brightest are getting in, it's a county-wide school that needs to serve all of the taxpayers in the county so each middle school gets some seats and we aren't going to require a competitive math test to get in as we think a student body with ESL, URM, and low income students that may not fare as well on such a test is more important. Why is that so hard to come out and say that? FCPS pretty much said exactly this. Why can't the rest of us?

They actually do but some parents insist on spreading this false narrative. TJ is stronger than ever now that the playing field is level and they've put an end to cheaeting.

Discrimination against Asians does not make TJ stronger. And back up that cheating accusation with something. The county did not raise any alleged "cheating" in the lawsuit brought by Coalition for TJ. If there was any basis for the cheating narrative it would have come out. No such accusation has ever been made in a public forum.

DP. There was no need to bring it up from a legal perspective and would have just made the case muckier from an evidentiary standpoint.

Good points. The facts were already bad enough from FCPS's perspective than calling additional attention the facts would have made things that much worse for FCPS. They will only prevail if the appellate courts shut their eyes to the facts and pretend FCPS was starting from a blank slate when it adopted the new system.

LOL, you fancy yourself quite the legal eagle, don’t you.

It's hard to claim discrimination with a straight face when your 70% of a school.

The new racist admission policy illegally excluded qualified Asians and TJ is now about 56% Asians and it would be at least 85% Asians w/o the new form of illegal 'Chinese exclusion acts'.

Let’s make sure we don’t forget that the largest beneficiary group of the admissions changes were poor Asian students. By a WIDE margin.

I guess those are the wrong kinds of Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

Yes, it does seem odd they're trying to rewrite history to support this false narrative of a past that never was. Everyone who knows anything also was aware there was widespread cheating.

Agree under the new system the top kids are getting in not just those who require prep to give the appearance of gifted.

Test scores and the remedial math classes don't support your conclusion that "the top kids are getting in." I know the truth hurts, but just own it. Come out and say I don't care if the best and brightest are getting in, it's a county-wide school that needs to serve all of the taxpayers in the county so each middle school gets some seats and we aren't going to require a competitive math test to get in as we think a student body with ESL, URM, and low income students that may not fare as well on such a test is more important. Why is that so hard to come out and say that? FCPS pretty much said exactly this. Why can't the rest of us?

They actually do but some parents insist on spreading this false narrative. TJ is stronger than ever now that the playing field is level and they've put an end to cheaeting.

Discrimination against Asians does not make TJ stronger. And back up that cheating accusation with something. The county did not raise any alleged "cheating" in the lawsuit brought by Coalition for TJ. If there was any basis for the cheating narrative it would have come out. No such accusation has ever been made in a public forum.

DP. There was no need to bring it up from a legal perspective and would have just made the case muckier from an evidentiary standpoint.

Good points. The facts were already bad enough from FCPS's perspective than calling additional attention the facts would have made things that much worse for FCPS. They will only prevail if the appellate courts shut their eyes to the facts and pretend FCPS was starting from a blank slate when it adopted the new system.

LOL, you fancy yourself quite the legal eagle, don’t you.

It's hard to claim discrimination with a straight face when your 70% of a school.

The new racist admission policy illegally excluded qualified Asians and TJ is now about 56% Asians and it would be at least 85% Asians w/o the new form of illegal 'Chinese exclusion acts'.

Let’s make sure we don’t forget that the largest beneficiary group of the admissions changes were poor Asian students. By a WIDE margin.

Independent research has backed this up. 36 Asian students who were admitted received bonus points for economic disadvantage. That was the largest group of students admitted to receive any of the “experience factor” points. No other group received more than 15 in any area.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

Yes, it does seem odd they're trying to rewrite history to support this false narrative of a past that never was. Everyone who knows anything also was aware there was widespread cheating.

Agree under the new system the top kids are getting in not just those who require prep to give the appearance of gifted.

Test scores and the remedial math classes don't support your conclusion that "the top kids are getting in." I know the truth hurts, but just own it. Come out and say I don't care if the best and brightest are getting in, it's a county-wide school that needs to serve all of the taxpayers in the county so each middle school gets some seats and we aren't going to require a competitive math test to get in as we think a student body with ESL, URM, and low income students that may not fare as well on such a test is more important. Why is that so hard to come out and say that? FCPS pretty much said exactly this. Why can't the rest of us?

They actually do but some parents insist on spreading this false narrative. TJ is stronger than ever now that the playing field is level and they've put an end to cheaeting.

Discrimination against Asians does not make TJ stronger. And back up that cheating accusation with something. The county did not raise any alleged "cheating" in the lawsuit brought by Coalition for TJ. If there was any basis for the cheating narrative it would have come out. No such accusation has ever been made in a public forum.

DP. There was no need to bring it up from a legal perspective and would have just made the case muckier from an evidentiary standpoint.

Good points. The facts were already bad enough from FCPS's perspective than calling additional attention the facts would have made things that much worse for FCPS. They will only prevail if the appellate courts shut their eyes to the facts and pretend FCPS was starting from a blank slate when it adopted the new system.

LOL, you fancy yourself quite the legal eagle, don’t you.

It's hard to claim discrimination with a straight face when your 70% of a school.

The new racist admission policy illegally excluded qualified Asians and TJ is now about 56% Asians and it would be at least 85% Asians w/o the new form of illegal 'Chinese exclusion acts'.

Let’s make sure we don’t forget that the largest beneficiary group of the admissions changes were poor Asian students. By a WIDE margin.

Independent research has backed this up. 36 Asian students who were admitted received bonus points for economic disadvantage. That was the largest group of students admitted to receive any of the “experience factor” points. No other group received more than 15 in any area.

It was never really about discrimination. That's completely laughable looking at the school's demographics. It was always about maintaining a process that could be easily gamed through outside enrichment so that it favored the wealthy.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

Yes, it does seem odd they're trying to rewrite history to support this false narrative of a past that never was. Everyone who knows anything also was aware there was widespread cheating.

Agree under the new system the top kids are getting in not just those who require prep to give the appearance of gifted.

Test scores and the remedial math classes don't support your conclusion that "the top kids are getting in." I know the truth hurts, but just own it. Come out and say I don't care if the best and brightest are getting in, it's a county-wide school that needs to serve all of the taxpayers in the county so each middle school gets some seats and we aren't going to require a competitive math test to get in as we think a student body with ESL, URM, and low income students that may not fare as well on such a test is more important. Why is that so hard to come out and say that? FCPS pretty much said exactly this. Why can't the rest of us?

They actually do but some parents insist on spreading this false narrative. TJ is stronger than ever now that the playing field is level and they've put an end to cheaeting.

Discrimination against Asians does not make TJ stronger. And back up that cheating accusation with something. The county did not raise any alleged "cheating" in the lawsuit brought by Coalition for TJ. If there was any basis for the cheating narrative it would have come out. No such accusation has ever been made in a public forum.

DP. There was no need to bring it up from a legal perspective and would have just made the case muckier from an evidentiary standpoint.

Good points. The facts were already bad enough from FCPS's perspective than calling additional attention the facts would have made things that much worse for FCPS. They will only prevail if the appellate courts shut their eyes to the facts and pretend FCPS was starting from a blank slate when it adopted the new system.

LOL, you fancy yourself quite the legal eagle, don’t you.

It's hard to claim discrimination with a straight face when your 70% of a school.

The new racist admission policy illegally excluded qualified Asians and TJ is now about 56% Asians and it would be at least 85% Asians w/o the new form of illegal 'Chinese exclusion acts'.

Let’s make sure we don’t forget that the largest beneficiary group of the admissions changes were poor Asian students. By a WIDE margin.

Independent research has backed this up. 36 Asian students who were admitted received bonus points for economic disadvantage. That was the largest group of students admitted to receive any of the “experience factor” points. No other group received more than 15 in any area.

In the mean time, at least 360 qualified Asian applicants were excluded. Learn to do some basic math.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

Yes, it does seem odd they're trying to rewrite history to support this false narrative of a past that never was. Everyone who knows anything also was aware there was widespread cheating.

Agree under the new system the top kids are getting in not just those who require prep to give the appearance of gifted.

Test scores and the remedial math classes don't support your conclusion that "the top kids are getting in." I know the truth hurts, but just own it. Come out and say I don't care if the best and brightest are getting in, it's a county-wide school that needs to serve all of the taxpayers in the county so each middle school gets some seats and we aren't going to require a competitive math test to get in as we think a student body with ESL, URM, and low income students that may not fare as well on such a test is more important. Why is that so hard to come out and say that? FCPS pretty much said exactly this. Why can't the rest of us?

They actually do but some parents insist on spreading this false narrative. TJ is stronger than ever now that the playing field is level and they've put an end to cheaeting.

Discrimination against Asians does not make TJ stronger. And back up that cheating accusation with something. The county did not raise any alleged "cheating" in the lawsuit brought by Coalition for TJ. If there was any basis for the cheating narrative it would have come out. No such accusation has ever been made in a public forum.

DP. There was no need to bring it up from a legal perspective and would have just made the case muckier from an evidentiary standpoint.

Good points. The facts were already bad enough from FCPS's perspective than calling additional attention the facts would have made things that much worse for FCPS. They will only prevail if the appellate courts shut their eyes to the facts and pretend FCPS was starting from a blank slate when it adopted the new system.

LOL, you fancy yourself quite the legal eagle, don’t you.

It's hard to claim discrimination with a straight face when your 70% of a school.

The new racist admission policy illegally excluded qualified Asians and TJ is now about 56% Asians and it would be at least 85% Asians w/o the new form of illegal 'Chinese exclusion acts'.

Let’s make sure we don’t forget that the largest beneficiary group of the admissions changes were poor Asian students. By a WIDE margin.

Independent research has backed this up. 36 Asian students who were admitted received bonus points for economic disadvantage. That was the largest group of students admitted to receive any of the “experience factor” points. No other group received more than 15 in any area.

It was never really about discrimination. That's completely laughable looking at the school's demographics. It was always about maintaining a process that could be easily gamed through outside enrichment so that it favored the wealthy.

Don't hatae the players, hate the game.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

Yes, it does seem odd they're trying to rewrite history to support this false narrative of a past that never was. Everyone who knows anything also was aware there was widespread cheating.

Agree under the new system the top kids are getting in not just those who require prep to give the appearance of gifted.

Test scores and the remedial math classes don't support your conclusion that "the top kids are getting in." I know the truth hurts, but just own it. Come out and say I don't care if the best and brightest are getting in, it's a county-wide school that needs to serve all of the taxpayers in the county so each middle school gets some seats and we aren't going to require a competitive math test to get in as we think a student body with ESL, URM, and low income students that may not fare as well on such a test is more important. Why is that so hard to come out and say that? FCPS pretty much said exactly this. Why can't the rest of us?

They actually do but some parents insist on spreading this false narrative. TJ is stronger than ever now that the playing field is level and they've put an end to cheaeting.

Discrimination against Asians does not make TJ stronger. And back up that cheating accusation with something. The county did not raise any alleged "cheating" in the lawsuit brought by Coalition for TJ. If there was any basis for the cheating narrative it would have come out. No such accusation has ever been made in a public forum.

DP. There was no need to bring it up from a legal perspective and would have just made the case muckier from an evidentiary standpoint.

Good points. The facts were already bad enough from FCPS's perspective than calling additional attention the facts would have made things that much worse for FCPS. They will only prevail if the appellate courts shut their eyes to the facts and pretend FCPS was starting from a blank slate when it adopted the new system.

LOL, you fancy yourself quite the legal eagle, don’t you.

It's hard to claim discrimination with a straight face when your 70% of a school.

The new racist admission policy illegally excluded qualified Asians and TJ is now about 56% Asians and it would be at least 85% Asians w/o the new form of illegal 'Chinese exclusion acts'.

Let’s make sure we don’t forget that the largest beneficiary group of the admissions changes were poor Asian students. By a WIDE margin.

Independent research has backed this up. 36 Asian students who were admitted received bonus points for economic disadvantage. That was the largest group of students admitted to receive any of the “experience factor” points. No other group received more than 15 in any area.

In the mean time, at least 360 qualified Asian applicants were excluded. Learn to do some basic math.

Qualified students are excluded from every application and test in school in the world every year. There aren't enough seats in the classroom for everyone you think is "qualified." That's life. Why is that so hard to understand? And isn't it wonderful that a great education can be obtained in many different places such that it actually doesn't matter which school you attend? Grow where you are planted. Any kid as bright at you say they are will be able to excel anywhere. This is also true of preschools and colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

Yes, it does seem odd they're trying to rewrite history to support this false narrative of a past that never was. Everyone who knows anything also was aware there was widespread cheating.

Agree under the new system the top kids are getting in not just those who require prep to give the appearance of gifted.

Test scores and the remedial math classes don't support your conclusion that "the top kids are getting in." I know the truth hurts, but just own it. Come out and say I don't care if the best and brightest are getting in, it's a county-wide school that needs to serve all of the taxpayers in the county so each middle school gets some seats and we aren't going to require a competitive math test to get in as we think a student body with ESL, URM, and low income students that may not fare as well on such a test is more important. Why is that so hard to come out and say that? FCPS pretty much said exactly this. Why can't the rest of us?

They actually do but some parents insist on spreading this false narrative. TJ is stronger than ever now that the playing field is level and they've put an end to cheaeting.

Discrimination against Asians does not make TJ stronger. And back up that cheating accusation with something. The county did not raise any alleged "cheating" in the lawsuit brought by Coalition for TJ. If there was any basis for the cheating narrative it would have come out. No such accusation has ever been made in a public forum.

DP. There was no need to bring it up from a legal perspective and would have just made the case muckier from an evidentiary standpoint.

Good points. The facts were already bad enough from FCPS's perspective than calling additional attention the facts would have made things that much worse for FCPS. They will only prevail if the appellate courts shut their eyes to the facts and pretend FCPS was starting from a blank slate when it adopted the new system.

LOL, you fancy yourself quite the legal eagle, don’t you.

It's hard to claim discrimination with a straight face when your 70% of a school.

The new racist admission policy illegally excluded qualified Asians and TJ is now about 56% Asians and it would be at least 85% Asians w/o the new form of illegal 'Chinese exclusion acts'.

By qualified you mean kids that had access to the test answers from the prep center?

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

Yes, it does seem odd they're trying to rewrite history to support this false narrative of a past that never was. Everyone who knows anything also was aware there was widespread cheating.

Agree under the new system the top kids are getting in not just those who require prep to give the appearance of gifted.

Test scores and the remedial math classes don't support your conclusion that "the top kids are getting in." I know the truth hurts, but just own it. Come out and say I don't care if the best and brightest are getting in, it's a county-wide school that needs to serve all of the taxpayers in the county so each middle school gets some seats and we aren't going to require a competitive math test to get in as we think a student body with ESL, URM, and low income students that may not fare as well on such a test is more important. Why is that so hard to come out and say that? FCPS pretty much said exactly this. Why can't the rest of us?

They actually do but some parents insist on spreading this false narrative. TJ is stronger than ever now that the playing field is level and they've put an end to cheaeting.

Discrimination against Asians does not make TJ stronger. And back up that cheating accusation with something. The county did not raise any alleged "cheating" in the lawsuit brought by Coalition for TJ. If there was any basis for the cheating narrative it would have come out. No such accusation has ever been made in a public forum.

DP. There was no need to bring it up from a legal perspective and would have just made the case muckier from an evidentiary standpoint.

Good points. The facts were already bad enough from FCPS's perspective than calling additional attention the facts would have made things that much worse for FCPS. They will only prevail if the appellate courts shut their eyes to the facts and pretend FCPS was starting from a blank slate when it adopted the new system.

LOL, you fancy yourself quite the legal eagle, don’t you.

It's hard to claim discrimination with a straight face when your 70% of a school.

The new racist admission policy illegally excluded qualified Asians and TJ is now about 56% Asians and it would be at least 85% Asians w/o the new form of illegal 'Chinese exclusion acts'.

Let’s make sure we don’t forget that the largest beneficiary group of the admissions changes were poor Asian students. By a WIDE margin.

Independent research has backed this up. 36 Asian students who were admitted received bonus points for economic disadvantage. That was the largest group of students admitted to receive any of the “experience factor” points. No other group received more than 15 in any area.

In the mean time, at least 360 qualified Asian applicants were excluded. Learn to do some basic math.

Qualified students are excluded from every application and test in school in the world every year. There aren't enough seats in the classroom for everyone you think is "qualified." That's life. Why is that so hard to understand? And isn't it wonderful that a great education can be obtained in many different places such that it actually doesn't matter which school you attend? Grow where you are planted. Any kid as bright at you say they are will be able to excel anywhere. This is also true of preschools and colleges.

The other notion I object to is qualified according to who? Certainly not the committee that made a selection. They picked the applicants who they believed were most qualified. Sure, some privileged kids may score higher than kids in a low-income school, but that doesn't mean they're more qualified or deserving. I'm more impressed with kids who are succeeding in spite of the obstacles they face than a few kids who had every possible advantage and still weren't able to rise to the top of their school.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

Yes, it does seem odd they're trying to rewrite history to support this false narrative of a past that never was. Everyone who knows anything also was aware there was widespread cheating.

Agree under the new system the top kids are getting in not just those who require prep to give the appearance of gifted.

Test scores and the remedial math classes don't support your conclusion that "the top kids are getting in." I know the truth hurts, but just own it. Come out and say I don't care if the best and brightest are getting in, it's a county-wide school that needs to serve all of the taxpayers in the county so each middle school gets some seats and we aren't going to require a competitive math test to get in as we think a student body with ESL, URM, and low income students that may not fare as well on such a test is more important. Why is that so hard to come out and say that? FCPS pretty much said exactly this. Why can't the rest of us?

They actually do but some parents insist on spreading this false narrative. TJ is stronger than ever now that the playing field is level and they've put an end to cheaeting.

Discrimination against Asians does not make TJ stronger. And back up that cheating accusation with something. The county did not raise any alleged "cheating" in the lawsuit brought by Coalition for TJ. If there was any basis for the cheating narrative it would have come out. No such accusation has ever been made in a public forum.

DP. There was no need to bring it up from a legal perspective and would have just made the case muckier from an evidentiary standpoint.

Good points. The facts were already bad enough from FCPS's perspective than calling additional attention the facts would have made things that much worse for FCPS. They will only prevail if the appellate courts shut their eyes to the facts and pretend FCPS was starting from a blank slate when it adopted the new system.

LOL, you fancy yourself quite the legal eagle, don’t you.

It's hard to claim discrimination with a straight face when your 70% of a school.

The new racist admission policy illegally excluded qualified Asians and TJ is now about 56% Asians and it would be at least 85% Asians w/o the new form of illegal 'Chinese exclusion acts'.

Let’s make sure we don’t forget that the largest beneficiary group of the admissions changes were poor Asian students. By a WIDE margin.

Independent research has backed this up. 36 Asian students who were admitted received bonus points for economic disadvantage. That was the largest group of students admitted to receive any of the “experience factor” points. No other group received more than 15 in any area.

In the mean time, at least 360 qualified Asian applicants were excluded. Learn to do some basic math.

Qualified students are excluded from every application and test in school in the world every year. There aren't enough seats in the classroom for everyone you think is "qualified." That's life. Why is that so hard to understand? And isn't it wonderful that a great education can be obtained in many different places such that it actually doesn't matter which school you attend? Grow where you are planted. Any kid as bright at you say they are will be able to excel anywhere. This is also true of preschools and colleges.

The other notion I object to is qualified according to who? Certainly not the committee that made a selection. They picked the applicants who they believed were most qualified. Sure, some privileged kids may score higher than kids in a low-income school, but that doesn't mean they're more qualified or deserving. I'm more impressed with kids who are succeeding in spite of the obstacles they face than a few kids who had every possible advantage and still weren't able to rise to the top of their school.

DP - this is important. Many parents in this area believe that TJ admissions is ultimately a reward for the hard work of the family in optimizing their child's application - this is why on many Facebook posts within one specific community (more granular than just "Asians") you will see the parents congratulated rather than the child. It's kind of gross to watch, honestly.

More than anything, I see the admissions changes as an attempt to mitigate the influence of parents who are hyper-focused on TJ as an outcome - and when I see which parents are the ones yelling and screaming about their convoluted definition of "merit", it seems to me that it's working exactly according to plan.

If all goes well, hopefully we'll see parent behaviors start to change as over-advancement in math, a narrow focus on STEM extracurriculars at too-early ages, and standardized exam prep are disincentivized by the new process. Perhaps those families will indeed find somewhere else to take their kids, which would be a huge win across the board for the region.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

Yes, it does seem odd they're trying to rewrite history to support this false narrative of a past that never was. Everyone who knows anything also was aware there was widespread cheating.

Agree under the new system the top kids are getting in not just those who require prep to give the appearance of gifted.

Test scores and the remedial math classes don't support your conclusion that "the top kids are getting in." I know the truth hurts, but just own it. Come out and say I don't care if the best and brightest are getting in, it's a county-wide school that needs to serve all of the taxpayers in the county so each middle school gets some seats and we aren't going to require a competitive math test to get in as we think a student body with ESL, URM, and low income students that may not fare as well on such a test is more important. Why is that so hard to come out and say that? FCPS pretty much said exactly this. Why can't the rest of us?

They actually do but some parents insist on spreading this false narrative. TJ is stronger than ever now that the playing field is level and they've put an end to cheaeting.

Discrimination against Asians does not make TJ stronger. And back up that cheating accusation with something. The county did not raise any alleged "cheating" in the lawsuit brought by Coalition for TJ. If there was any basis for the cheating narrative it would have come out. No such accusation has ever been made in a public forum.

DP. There was no need to bring it up from a legal perspective and would have just made the case muckier from an evidentiary standpoint.

Good points. The facts were already bad enough from FCPS's perspective than calling additional attention the facts would have made things that much worse for FCPS. They will only prevail if the appellate courts shut their eyes to the facts and pretend FCPS was starting from a blank slate when it adopted the new system.

LOL, you fancy yourself quite the legal eagle, don’t you.

It's hard to claim discrimination with a straight face when your 70% of a school.

The new racist admission policy illegally excluded qualified Asians and TJ is now about 56% Asians and it would be at least 85% Asians w/o the new form of illegal 'Chinese exclusion acts'.

Let’s make sure we don’t forget that the largest beneficiary group of the admissions changes were poor Asian students. By a WIDE margin.

Independent research has backed this up. 36 Asian students who were admitted received bonus points for economic disadvantage. That was the largest group of students admitted to receive any of the “experience factor” points. No other group received more than 15 in any area.

In the mean time, at least 360 qualified Asian applicants were excluded. Learn to do some basic math.

Qualified students are excluded from every application and test in school in the world every year. There aren't enough seats in the classroom for everyone you think is "qualified." That's life. Why is that so hard to understand? And isn't it wonderful that a great education can be obtained in many different places such that it actually doesn't matter which school you attend? Grow where you are planted. Any kid as bright at you say they are will be able to excel anywhere. This is also true of preschools and colleges.

The other notion I object to is qualified according to who? Certainly not the committee that made a selection. They picked the applicants who they believed were most qualified. Sure, some privileged kids may score higher than kids in a low-income school, but that doesn't mean they're more qualified or deserving. I'm more impressed with kids who are succeeding in spite of the obstacles they face than a few kids who had every possible advantage and still weren't able to rise to the top of their school.

DP - this is important. Many parents in this area believe that TJ admissions is ultimately a reward for the hard work of the family in optimizing their child's application - this is why on many Facebook posts within one specific community (more granular than just "Asians") you will see the parents congratulated rather than the child. It's kind of gross to watch, honestly.

More than anything, I see the admissions changes as an attempt to mitigate the influence of parents who are hyper-focused on TJ as an outcome - and when I see which parents are the ones yelling and screaming about their convoluted definition of "merit", it seems to me that it's working exactly according to plan.

If all goes well, hopefully we'll see parent behaviors start to change as over-advancement in math, a narrow focus on STEM extracurriculars at too-early ages, and standardized exam prep are disincentivized by the new process. Perhaps those families will indeed find somewhere else to take their kids, which would be a huge win across the board for the region.

Absolutely hit the nail on the head +10000

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

Yes, it does seem odd they're trying to rewrite history to support this false narrative of a past that never was. Everyone who knows anything also was aware there was widespread cheating.

Agree under the new system the top kids are getting in not just those who require prep to give the appearance of gifted.

Test scores and the remedial math classes don't support your conclusion that "the top kids are getting in." I know the truth hurts, but just own it. Come out and say I don't care if the best and brightest are getting in, it's a county-wide school that needs to serve all of the taxpayers in the county so each middle school gets some seats and we aren't going to require a competitive math test to get in as we think a student body with ESL, URM, and low income students that may not fare as well on such a test is more important. Why is that so hard to come out and say that? FCPS pretty much said exactly this. Why can't the rest of us?

They actually do but some parents insist on spreading this false narrative. TJ is stronger than ever now that the playing field is level and they've put an end to cheaeting.

Discrimination against Asians does not make TJ stronger. And back up that cheating accusation with something. The county did not raise any alleged "cheating" in the lawsuit brought by Coalition for TJ. If there was any basis for the cheating narrative it would have come out. No such accusation has ever been made in a public forum.

DP. There was no need to bring it up from a legal perspective and would have just made the case muckier from an evidentiary standpoint.

Good points. The facts were already bad enough from FCPS's perspective than calling additional attention the facts would have made things that much worse for FCPS. They will only prevail if the appellate courts shut their eyes to the facts and pretend FCPS was starting from a blank slate when it adopted the new system.

LOL, you fancy yourself quite the legal eagle, don’t you.

It's hard to claim discrimination with a straight face when your 70% of a school.

The new racist admission policy illegally excluded qualified Asians and TJ is now about 56% Asians and it would be at least 85% Asians w/o the new form of illegal 'Chinese exclusion acts'.

Let’s make sure we don’t forget that the largest beneficiary group of the admissions changes were poor Asian students. By a WIDE margin.

Independent research has backed this up. 36 Asian students who were admitted received bonus points for economic disadvantage. That was the largest group of students admitted to receive any of the “experience factor” points. No other group received more than 15 in any area.

In the mean time, at least 360 qualified Asian applicants were excluded. Learn to do some basic math.

Qualified students are excluded from every application and test in school in the world every year. There aren't enough seats in the classroom for everyone you think is "qualified." That's life. Why is that so hard to understand? And isn't it wonderful that a great education can be obtained in many different places such that it actually doesn't matter which school you attend? Grow where you are planted. Any kid as bright at you say they are will be able to excel anywhere. This is also true of preschools and colleges.

The other notion I object to is qualified according to who? Certainly not the committee that made a selection. They picked the applicants who they believed were most qualified. Sure, some privileged kids may score higher than kids in a low-income school, but that doesn't mean they're more qualified or deserving. I'm more impressed with kids who are succeeding in spite of the obstacles they face than a few kids who had every possible advantage and still weren't able to rise to the top of their school.

DP - this is important. Many parents in this area believe that TJ admissions is ultimately a reward for the hard work of the family in optimizing their child's application - this is why on many Facebook posts within one specific community (more granular than just "Asians") you will see the parents congratulated rather than the child. It's kind of gross to watch, honestly.

More than anything, I see the admissions changes as an attempt to mitigate the influence of parents who are hyper-focused on TJ as an outcome - and when I see which parents are the ones yelling and screaming about their convoluted definition of "merit", it seems to me that it's working exactly according to plan.

If all goes well, hopefully we'll see parent behaviors start to change as over-advancement in math, a narrow focus on STEM extracurriculars at too-early ages, and standardized exam prep are disincentivized by the new process. Perhaps those families will indeed find somewhere else to take their kids, which would be a huge win across the board for the region.

My family is Korean-American and this poster is spot on. I’m tired of us getting lumped in to this broad “Asian” category when everyone knows what is actually happening under the surface. Families like mine have been in America for multiple generations (I grew up in Annandale) and this is the case for most of the East and Southeast Asian families that are in this area. We raise our children to understand the value of a great education just like our parents did for us, but we do not equate that with prestige or try to box anyone else out using our resources.

It sickens me when I see people like Nomani and Dutta and Jackson and Miller claiming to stand up for “Asians”. You don’t stand up for Asians - you stand up for a small group of well-resourced Asians who are conflating privilege with merit. And you’re evil and disgusting for claiming that you represent us. We deserve better than you.