TJ Discrimination Case

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know what happened at the argument in the Fourth Circuit last week?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what happened at the argument in the Fourth Circuit last week?

Not looking good for the Coalition for TJ based on current caselaw. That could change with the Supreme Court Harvard case, but FCPS looks like the clear winner from the hearing last week.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what happened at the argument in the Fourth Circuit last week?

Not looking good for the Coalition for TJ based on current caselaw. That could change with the Supreme Court Harvard case, but FCPS looks like the clear winner from the hearing last week.

As predicted, it's getting laughed out of court. Their case simply has no merit. You can't claim discrimination from a race blind process when you make up 15% of the population but manage to secure 60%+ of all seats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what happened at the argument in the Fourth Circuit last week?

Not looking good for the Coalition for TJ based on current caselaw. That could change with the Supreme Court Harvard case, but FCPS looks like the clear winner from the hearing last week.

As predicted, it's getting laughed out of court. Their case simply has no merit. You can't claim discrimination from a race blind process when you make up 15% of the population but manage to secure 60%+ of all seats.

Delusional as usual.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what happened at the argument in the Fourth Circuit last week?

Not looking good for the Coalition for TJ based on current caselaw. That could change with the Supreme Court Harvard case, but FCPS looks like the clear winner from the hearing last week.

As predicted, it's getting laughed out of court. Their case simply has no merit. You can't claim discrimination from a race blind process when you make up 15% of the population but manage to secure 60%+ of all seats.

I think that's more or less what the judge concluded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what happened at the argument in the Fourth Circuit last week?

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-court-skeptical-challenge-elite-virginia-schools-admissions-policy-2022-09-16/

Same judges hearing the case that granted FCPS's request for a stay of Hilton's ruling. The news article (and Reuters is about as middle-of-the-road as you can get) seems to suggest that Heytens remains totally unconvinced by the "discrimination" narrative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what happened at the argument in the Fourth Circuit last week?

Not looking good for the Coalition for TJ based on current caselaw. That could change with the Supreme Court Harvard case, but FCPS looks like the clear winner from the hearing last week.

As predicted, it's getting laughed out of court. Their case simply has no merit. You can't claim discrimination from a race blind process when you make up 15% of the population but manage to secure 60%+ of all seats.

Yep, it was a waste of time. The county was well within their right trying to expand access while maintaining a race blind admission. Their whole case is hinges on upholding the status quo as being the one and only true way to select students was flawed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what happened at the argument in the Fourth Circuit last week?

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-court-skeptical-challenge-elite-virginia-schools-admissions-policy-2022-09-16/

Same judges hearing the case that granted FCPS's request for a stay of Hilton's ruling. The news article (and Reuters is about as middle-of-the-road as you can get) seems to suggest that Heytens remains totally unconvinced by the "discrimination" narrative.

Say the 4th Circuit rules 2-1 in favor of FCPS. The case could then go to the Supreme Court, which might grant cert and has a different make-up than the 4th Circuit. I assume everyone involved in this litigation knew it would involve multiple appeals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what happened at the argument in the Fourth Circuit last week?

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-court-skeptical-challenge-elite-virginia-schools-admissions-policy-2022-09-16/

Same judges hearing the case that granted FCPS's request for a stay of Hilton's ruling. The news article (and Reuters is about as middle-of-the-road as you can get) seems to suggest that Heytens remains totally unconvinced by the "discrimination" narrative.

Say the 4th Circuit rules 2-1 in favor of FCPS. The case could then go to the Supreme Court, which might grant cert and has a different make-up than the 4th Circuit. I assume everyone involved in this litigation knew it would involve multiple appeals.

I think you are wildly overestimating FedSoc’s interest in this case.

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Anonymous wrote:Voting Republican just because your angry about TJ admissions is short sighted. Haven’t you seen the pictures in the news of Republicans giving Trump the Nazi salute in mass? (It’s a very similar salute, and there were pictures of three moms on the street giving the full Nazi salute to Trump.) Did you not see Nov.6th? Do you think it will end well for our country when it is no longer a democracy?

So discrimination against Asians is cool because otherwise we're just ushering in Mussolini? Get a grip.

DP but get a grip. There is no discrimination against Asians when it comes to admission to TJ. Asians make up 20% of the students body in FCPS but take up to 70% of the seats at TJ.

Jews make up 2% of the population and 22-24% of the Ivy schools - some 11 times the size of the population. Complain about that before complaining of Asians.

PP isn't complaining about it; PP is illustrating why a court will not see a valid legal claim of disparate impact discrimination against a minority population that holds a majority of seats. There are two ways to prove discrimination, one of which is disparate impact. Disparate impact is proved by statistics and this case doesn't have numbers on its side, which was PP's point.

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Anonymous wrote:Voting Republican just because your angry about TJ admissions is short sighted. Haven’t you seen the pictures in the news of Republicans giving Trump the Nazi salute in mass? (It’s a very similar salute, and there were pictures of three moms on the street giving the full Nazi salute to Trump.) Did you not see Nov.6th? Do you think it will end well for our country when it is no longer a democracy?

So discrimination against Asians is cool because otherwise we're just ushering in Mussolini? Get a grip.

DP but get a grip. There is no discrimination against Asians when it comes to admission to TJ. Asians make up 20% of the students body in FCPS but take up to 70% of the seats at TJ.

Jews make up 2% of the population and 22-24% of the Ivy schools - some 11 times the size of the population. Complain about that before complaining of Asians.

PP isn't complaining about it; PP is illustrating why a court will not see a valid legal claim of disparate impact discrimination against a minority population that holds a majority of seats. There are two ways to prove discrimination, one of which is disparate impact. Disparate impact is proved by statistics and this case doesn't have numbers on its side, which was PP's point.

Now do disparate treatment (discriminatory intent).

Also, in considering disparate impact, some would look at who was affected the most by the change, which is another statistic, and not just at whether a particular group remains “over-represented.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Voting Republican just because your angry about TJ admissions is short sighted. Haven’t you seen the pictures in the news of Republicans giving Trump the Nazi salute in mass? (It’s a very similar salute, and there were pictures of three moms on the street giving the full Nazi salute to Trump.) Did you not see Nov.6th? Do you think it will end well for our country when it is no longer a democracy?

So discrimination against Asians is cool because otherwise we're just ushering in Mussolini? Get a grip.

DP but get a grip. There is no discrimination against Asians when it comes to admission to TJ. Asians make up 20% of the students body in FCPS but take up to 70% of the seats at TJ.

Jews make up 2% of the population and 22-24% of the Ivy schools - some 11 times the size of the population. Complain about that before complaining of Asians.

PP isn't complaining about it; PP is illustrating why a court will not see a valid legal claim of disparate impact discrimination against a minority population that holds a majority of seats. There are two ways to prove discrimination, one of which is disparate impact. Disparate impact is proved by statistics and this case doesn't have numbers on its side, which was PP's point.

Now do disparate treatment (discriminatory intent).

Also, in considering disparate impact, some would look at who was affected the most by the change, which is another statistic, and not just at whether a particular group remains “over-represented.”

The intent was to level the playing field after there had been widespread cheating (e.g. people buying test answers).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Voting Republican just because your angry about TJ admissions is short sighted. Haven’t you seen the pictures in the news of Republicans giving Trump the Nazi salute in mass? (It’s a very similar salute, and there were pictures of three moms on the street giving the full Nazi salute to Trump.) Did you not see Nov.6th? Do you think it will end well for our country when it is no longer a democracy?

So discrimination against Asians is cool because otherwise we're just ushering in Mussolini? Get a grip.

DP but get a grip. There is no discrimination against Asians when it comes to admission to TJ. Asians make up 20% of the students body in FCPS but take up to 70% of the seats at TJ.

Jews make up 2% of the population and 22-24% of the Ivy schools - some 11 times the size of the population. Complain about that before complaining of Asians.

PP isn't complaining about it; PP is illustrating why a court will not see a valid legal claim of disparate impact discrimination against a minority population that holds a majority of seats. There are two ways to prove discrimination, one of which is disparate impact. Disparate impact is proved by statistics and this case doesn't have numbers on its side, which was PP's point.

Now do disparate treatment (discriminatory intent).

Also, in considering disparate impact, some would look at who was affected the most by the change, which is another statistic, and not just at whether a particular group remains “over-represented.”

The intent was to level the playing field after there had been widespread cheating (e.g. people buying test answers).

The intent was to reduce the percentage of Asian kids and increase the percentage of non-Asian kids living in three magisterial districts - Lee (now Franconia), Mason, and Mount Vernon - who couldn't get into TJ on merit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Voting Republican just because your angry about TJ admissions is short sighted. Haven’t you seen the pictures in the news of Republicans giving Trump the Nazi salute in mass? (It’s a very similar salute, and there were pictures of three moms on the street giving the full Nazi salute to Trump.) Did you not see Nov.6th? Do you think it will end well for our country when it is no longer a democracy?

So discrimination against Asians is cool because otherwise we're just ushering in Mussolini? Get a grip.

DP but get a grip. There is no discrimination against Asians when it comes to admission to TJ. Asians make up 20% of the students body in FCPS but take up to 70% of the seats at TJ.

Jews make up 2% of the population and 22-24% of the Ivy schools - some 11 times the size of the population. Complain about that before complaining of Asians.

PP isn't complaining about it; PP is illustrating why a court will not see a valid legal claim of disparate impact discrimination against a minority population that holds a majority of seats. There are two ways to prove discrimination, one of which is disparate impact. Disparate impact is proved by statistics and this case doesn't have numbers on its side, which was PP's point.

Now do disparate treatment (discriminatory intent).

Also, in considering disparate impact, some would look at who was affected the most by the change, which is another statistic, and not just at whether a particular group remains “over-represented.”

The intent was to level the playing field after there had been widespread cheating (e.g. people buying test answers).

The intent was to reduce the percentage of Asian kids and increase the percentage of non-Asian kids living in three magisterial districts - Lee (now Franconia), Mason, and Mount Vernon - who couldn't get into TJ on merit.

Stated in a legal non-discriminatory way: The goal was to provide for representation at TJ for all FCPS middle schools and thus serving all county tax districts and students overcoming financial or ESL challenges that have traditionally served as a bar to entry and a denial of this important population of FCPS student body the enhances the overall learning experience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Voting Republican just because your angry about TJ admissions is short sighted. Haven’t you seen the pictures in the news of Republicans giving Trump the Nazi salute in mass? (It’s a very similar salute, and there were pictures of three moms on the street giving the full Nazi salute to Trump.) Did you not see Nov.6th? Do you think it will end well for our country when it is no longer a democracy?

So discrimination against Asians is cool because otherwise we're just ushering in Mussolini? Get a grip.

DP but get a grip. There is no discrimination against Asians when it comes to admission to TJ. Asians make up 20% of the students body in FCPS but take up to 70% of the seats at TJ.

Jews make up 2% of the population and 22-24% of the Ivy schools - some 11 times the size of the population. Complain about that before complaining of Asians.

PP isn't complaining about it; PP is illustrating why a court will not see a valid legal claim of disparate impact discrimination against a minority population that holds a majority of seats. There are two ways to prove discrimination, one of which is disparate impact. Disparate impact is proved by statistics and this case doesn't have numbers on its side, which was PP's point.

Now do disparate treatment (discriminatory intent).

Also, in considering disparate impact, some would look at who was affected the most by the change, which is another statistic, and not just at whether a particular group remains “over-represented.”

The intent was to level the playing field after there had been widespread cheating (e.g. people buying test answers).

The intent was to reduce the percentage of Asian kids and increase the percentage of non-Asian kids living in three magisterial districts - Lee (now Franconia), Mason, and Mount Vernon - who couldn't get into TJ on merit.

Well, aren’t you the overt racist.