Billionaire heiress abducted during her Friday morning run in Memphis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Poor lady. This is so sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Did they stumble upon a serial killer?

I don't even take an uber without matching the driver's face and sending a picture to my DH. I almost always am on the phone with him with facetime on.

I prefer a registered legit taxi service and even then I am never without my pepper spray.

Sounds like there are a whole lot of unsolved murders in Memphis; maybe he'll be tied to others. However, he doesn't appear to be a particularly sophisticated criminal and someone who would hide evidence consistently well. But if others on here are right, no one is even looking into a lot of murders in Memphis, so maybe...

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Sounds like this specific street bordering campus is a known hotspot for crime against women and students:

“I seriously hope that the university begins to implement some kind of safety tactic in order to protect their students. It is absolutely frightening the amount of times I had gotten emails and push notifications of robbery and harassment occurring in that spot. It is a great school with remarkable professors and campus but safety needs a bigger budget.”

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Anonymous wrote:Two years after being out he snaps and does something this brazen or this another Jesse Matthew?

We know he was at least stealing credit cards, as that was the basis for the other charges this week. We know the women in his brother's apartment complex propositioned them for sex for $100. Who knows if they'll be able to trace anything else to him or not. Has there been a confirmation as to whether he was the same individual in the same black SUV that the U of Memphis girls' cross country team reported?

Well if his brother is dealing heroin and fentanyl, sadly, that forwardness probably worked at times on drug addicted women in that sphere.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding why there’s more hatred being directed to the victim and her husband versus the monster who took her. Violent repeat offenders should be put to death.

Is it hate or just unkind (and unvarnished) idle musings?

We live in an aspirational society. We are fascinated that someone coming from such privilege and advantage can make a series of decisions that leads to this outcome (as a victim, yes, in this final act).

As for the perp, what is there to say. The conversation around him deals with weighty topics that are fraught and for which we have not been able to make progress on as a society for decades. For every vile piece of subhuman trash is someone who made a mistake and deserves a chance at rehabilitation. Good luck sorting it out.

Part of the problem is calling the crimes "mistakes". They aren't mistakes. They are poor choices. And yes, I'm talking about crimes short of violent murder.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding why there’s more hatred being directed to the victim and her husband versus the monster who took her. Violent repeat offenders should be put to death.

Yep.

People blame the victim and say the crime could have been prevented if they had taken various steps, because they they can tell themselves, "I will never be randomly attacked because I don't run early in the morning." Just like when a woman is attacked in the evening in a parking lot, they say, "I will never be attacked because I don't go to that mall or wear an outfit like that, etc. etc."

Statistically, women are far more likely to be sexually assaulted and murdered by a person known to them--a partner, family member, or friend--than by a random attacked. But by focus on stranger attacks and the choices a woman could make to prevent that attack, people can feel safer. A woman can choose to wear long skirts and sleeves and refuse to go out without a male chaperone, and still end up attacked.

Women make varying choices about their activity and the choices they make do not cause them to deserve death.

Sure, anything can happen to anyone at any time. But are you trying to say a woman alone on the streets, in the wee hours of dark night/morning, in a high crime area is not more at risk than say, a woman out shopping at 3pm with her family in Bethesda?

You live in a denial bubble. I was kidnapped + assaulted by 2 dudes in broad daylight by strangers walking down a busy street. No one stopped to help. Stop blaming the victim. You are gross.

Can you do an AMA if you're up for it?

You may ask here. I won't start a separate thread because it may be triggering to see the title for those who have had similar experiences.

So sorry for your experience. We're the perpetrators caught and brought to justice?

Yes they were but I had to spend months in court because one was a juvenile + 1 an adult.

NP. I’m so sorry, PP. That is awful. I hope you’re doing okay now.

Thank you. It is horrible anytime one of these terrible abductions hit the news + people blame the victims (like this case) instead of the violent criminals (almost always male).

Same idea as crime of opportunity. That also blames the victim rather than the criminal.

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I came from a country where crime against women are common (sexual harassment on the street, acid attacks, molestation, abduction, gang rapes) and so as a result I am always careful. If I work late at office, I make sure security walks me to my car. If I am with friends, I make sure that they escort me to my car and then I drive them to their cars, I walk in public well lit areas and I am nowadays also carrying an airtag in my purse. People used to laugh at me "What are you scared of?" Well, have you seen Hollywood movies? If something bad has to happen, I will be the first to die because of my skin color, gender and accent. No thank you. Besides, every day, we find out how unsafe this society is.

Yes, being careful is not going to make you immune from all dangers. However, statistically, you have a better chance of not being a victim of a crime if you are careful about your person and if you don't put yourself in a dangerous situation.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought Memphis was a really violent and poor town? They live in Memphis proper? Is there like a historic mansion ritzy sliver of town rich people still live in?

Public record shows they paid $600k for a charming 3k sq/ft cape cod style home a couple years ago. Pretty big money for Memphis. And not a home you can afford on just a pre-k teacher’s salary. Near the university and a couple golf courses, which seems like the concentrated pocket of wealth for the otherwise downtrodden city.

It’s really not. A simple Zillow search will show you hundreds of houses that sold for more (in many cases, much more) than $600k in the area immediately surrounding the University of Memphis in the past couple of years.

In what world is a $600k house big money? It doesn't seem like she had access to the family wealth, at least not much of it. She was the granddaughter - might have gotten caught up with the older gen and not trickled down to her.

In most of the U.S. Step outside your ultra privileged bubble once in a while.

So I’m Memphis, billionaires live in $600k 3000sf homes? No, I don’t think so. She didn’t have access to the family money (at least not much of it)

Can you read? This was in response to “In what world is a $600K house big money?”

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Anonymous wrote:Most people are also missing the point if she was black of similar background and a runner, we would never hear word one about this! Think of all the ugly black children that get abducted and never make the news while the whole country is still talking about a dead cute blonde beauty pageant girl DECADES later.

Really, STFU ... victim.

No. It’s the truth. You feel defensive about it and want to silence it. Wonder why?

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Anonymous wrote:I thought Memphis was a really violent and poor town? They live in Memphis proper? Is there like a historic mansion ritzy sliver of town rich people still live in?

Public record shows they paid $600k for a charming 3k sq/ft cape cod style home a couple years ago. Pretty big money for Memphis. And not a home you can afford on just a pre-k teacher’s salary. Near the university and a couple golf courses, which seems like the concentrated pocket of wealth for the otherwise downtrodden city.

It’s really not. A simple Zillow search will show you hundreds of houses that sold for more (in many cases, much more) than $600k in the area immediately surrounding the University of Memphis in the past couple of years.

In what world is a $600k house big money? It doesn't seem like she had access to the family wealth, at least not much of it. She was the granddaughter - might have gotten caught up with the older gen and not trickled down to her.

In most of the U.S. Step outside your ultra privileged bubble once in a while.

Maybe 20 years ago it was

Nope. It still is, in most of the U.S. I know, your privilege is blinding.

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Anonymous wrote:I came from a country where crime against women are common (sexual harassment on the street, acid attacks, molestation, abduction, gang rapes) and so as a result I am always careful. If I work late at office, I make sure security walks me to my car. If I am with friends, I make sure that they escort me to my car and then I drive them to their cars, I walk in public well lit areas and I am nowadays also carrying an airtag in my purse. People used to laugh at me "What are you scared of?" Well, have you seen Hollywood movies? If something bad has to happen, I will be the first to die because of my skin color, gender and accent. No thank you. Besides, every day, we find out how unsafe this society is.

Yes, being careful is not going to make you immune from all dangers. However, statistically, you have a better chance of not being a victim of a crime if you are careful about your person and if you don't put yourself in a dangerous situation.

No disrespect but what is an AirTag going to do? Help police find your cold body faster? It sounds like she was killed in 4 minutes. This gal shouldn’t have been running alone. And if she forced the issue, she needed to do it with a baby Glock in a fanny pack and a German shepherd or Doberman pincher.

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Anonymous wrote:Too late for 'what ifs'. The worst has already happened.

The history of crime against women has been such that the BF or DH is always the first suspect, even when a rich woman jogging alone in the dark in a crime ridden city gets kidnapped.

Others need to learn from this. There is zero reason to put yourself in that situation. She may have been a marathon runner but she was also a mother. She should have been more careful and been proactive about her security.

As a childless woman, my life is less valuable so I can run wherever I want.

Childless and unmarried? Yea, you can be self-centered and risky if you want — and pretend you can’t just rack miles on a treadmill or on a fitness center track.

I’m going to speak (type) slowly, because you’re clearly dim.

Distance
And
Marathon
Runners
Train
In
Real
Life
Road
Conditions
Not
On
Treadmills
Or
In
“Fitness
Centers.”

You’re welcome.

[Anonymous]

Reports now saying a body has been found 20 mins from the abduction site.

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More women will die as long as we coddle criminals.

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Anonymous wrote:More women will die as long as we coddle criminals.

More women will die as long as we coddle men.