Discrimination against Asians

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Anonymous wrote:Many whites are so judgmental, arrogant and self righteous! Asian parents care their kid’s wellbeing as much as any other race. They may disagree with you that drilling in math is child abuse while drilling in sports is character building, that doesn’t mean they are worse parents. And outliers exist in all races.

What is wrong with you? You keep attacking white people?

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Anonymous wrote:Thank God this is an anonymous forum. There is quite a bit of animosity going around here.

This is enough to call the lottery proposal a failure.

I am surprised at how this was handled.

Now, at least, people are aware of the Bamboo Ceiling. Let's look at the bright side.

And efforts to keep it fresh, clean, and intact. Also, very hard to break. Harder to break than a Glass Ceiling, perhaps?

Asian women are screwed. They have two Ceilings to break through.

No they have it easier than Asian men. White men like them. Asian fetish.

If success in business was all about whether white men like you sexually, executive teams would be 98% women - the white male CEO and a bunch of hot women.

+1 lol

-asian woman

DH, white, and I were talking about the good ol' boys network vs affirmative action for blacks. Sectors like defense industry are dominated by white males, and it's hard enough for a woman to work in that industry. Try being a minority female. Blacks got affirmative action; white males get the good ol' boys network... where does that leave the rest including Asian women in the workplace?

How do you know if an Asian woman is married to a lot white guy?

Wait five minutes into the conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have one kid got in, the other didn’t. Both are smart kids, but the one who ‘s in has much better resilience and work ethic and is more likely to succeed academically. The result is fair to me. We are Asians and no outside prep but we did help them go over materials whenever they feel challenged. Our help may have given them advantages over others who don’t get much support from family. I have no problem if the county offer free tutoring to those in need but won’t apologize for or stop helping them. I don’t understand why that would bother others.

Because they're racist.

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This may or may not have happened when he was younger but certainly does not happen now. He is very well regarded in his profession. No one would say that he speaks English well. How ridiculous. This is not the 80s. Come on.

I was told my English is really good a few years ago in the DC area. I was born in America but am of Indian origin. You’re deluding yourself.

Re bolded comment, this made me laugh. This still happens. Maybe not as persistently as in the past decades but the underlying current is still very much there. I am considered highly successful, in a senior position in a profession filled with graduates from Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Ivies, Duke, Gtown, UVA etc. I live in an affluent area of NOVA. People in professional or neighborhood settings have commented on how polished and articulate I am. Or point out that I speak without an accent. Most of my Asian-American friends with similar levels of success have their own stories about these types of situations. You kind of laugh it off because success helps wash over a lot of things. But it is still not pleasant, and it is a form of microaggression.

Oh my gawd. Get over yourself. People don't form these opinions based on a vacuum. It's natural human behavior for us to hold simplified views of the world around us, especially things of little significance or importance to our personal lives. That all BMW drivers are aholes is one such belief. While it may seem offensive for others to be surprised by your excellent English, it's a common fact that most Asians in this country are first generation immigrants, with English as a second language, often learned during teenage years, leading to an audible accent. As time goes on, we have more and more Asians in this country that have a great command of English, and speak with little to no accent, and therefore people's perception changes naturally. That some are still impressed by your English doesn't somehow make it an aggression. Personally, I am glad when someone mentions to me that my English is excellent, wondering if I was born in the US. I am eager to share that I came to the US in my teenage years, but that I had a wonderful English teacher who personally recorded cassette tapes to help me with my enunciation. Next time this person encounters another Asian who speaks English well, he will be less surprised by it, and less likely to make a comment. People don't make these comments because they are impolite, but because they are misinformed. Being misinformed is the natural state, and it's not a reason to dislike someone for it. You ought to know better.

Wow, so many things in this previous post. PP really doesn't get it. Even the cited "common fact" that most Asians in this country are first generations is wrong. Also, Asian-Americans that are getting these comments are not first generation. They are often second, third generations who have spent their entire lives here in the US, which is the whole point about why these types of statements about being impressed with one's English is offensive.

PP here, my facts are based on real actual data:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/08/key-facts-about-asian-americans/

Among adult Asian Americans in the US, 73% are foreign born. When your average non-Asian American meet an Asian adult like the victim of micro aggressions above, their default assumption that the Asian is of foreign birth is statistically accurate. You may not like it, but this is simply the common fact.

Can I applaud black acquaintances for making six figures and achieving top test scores, or is that obviously racist despite the basis in statistics?

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Anonymous wrote:You do realize that many people aren’t successful until later in life? They are late bloomers, you would be surprised to see who actually succeeds sometimes. Most rational people realize that high school is a minor stepping stone.

If I were to put my bets on whether someone who dropped out of HS vs someone who studied hard through HS would succed later in life, where do you think my money would go?

Yes, you won't bulk up after going to the gym two times, but I'm not sure that's what you're trying to say.

I think killing oneself studying and prepping in HS is pointless and burns kids out. Many successful adults I know weren’t stellar HS students, at all. This includes surgeons, software developers, scientists, attorneys.

Thanks for that anecdata.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say I'm voting Republican this year, too. Our party has just become too "woke."

Same. I can’t bring myself to vote for Trump but I won’t vote for Biden either and then I’m voting straight Republican down the rest of the ticket just in case Biden wins. I didn’t leave my party first though. They left me. And they’ve gone off the deep end with trying to say that things like “hard work” and “punctuality” and “linear thinking” and “scientific method” and “nuclear family” are “white” values instead of American values. What? I just can’t with that nonsense.

This is crazy - who's saying this? I can't believe someone's actually had the gall to say that “hard work” and “punctuality” and “linear thinking” and “scientific method” and “nuclear family” are “white” values instead of American values.

It IS crazy.
But these and other “assumptions and aspects of whiteness and white culture” were put on a handy flyer and posted it n the website of the Smithsonian Museum of African American History and Culture earlier this year. I think it was in June? It is no longer on their website but you can search google images and it pops up. And the website now has a blurb that explains that the chart was removed (not because they think it is in error or attributes shared values of Americans to just “white” values, but because it “doesn’t contribute to the productive discussion we had intended” —-really? Can’t imagine why implying that universally-acknowledged paths to success such as “competitiveness,” “planning for the future” and “linear thinking” are “Attributes of whiteness” would impede that goal...)
I’m sure someone meant to put the oppressors in their place with that chart. But it’s ridiculously offensive to basically everyone *except* white people. Super weird.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say I'm voting Republican this year, too. Our party has just become too "woke."

Same. I can’t bring myself to vote for Trump but I won’t vote for Biden either and then I’m voting straight Republican down the rest of the ticket just in case Biden wins. I didn’t leave my party first though. They left me. And they’ve gone off the deep end with trying to say that things like “hard work” and “punctuality” and “linear thinking” and “scientific method” and “nuclear family” are “white” values instead of American values. What? I just can’t with that nonsense.

This is crazy - who's saying this? I can't believe someone's actually had the gall to say that “hard work” and “punctuality” and “linear thinking” and “scientific method” and “nuclear family” are “white” values instead of American values.

It IS crazy.
But these and other “assumptions and aspects of whiteness and white culture” were put on a handy flyer and posted it n the website of the Smithsonian Museum of African American History and Culture earlier this year. I think it was in June? It is no longer on their website but you can search google images and it pops up. And the website now has a blurb that explains that the chart was removed (not because they think it is in error or attributes shared values of Americans to just “white” values, but because it “doesn’t contribute to the productive discussion we had intended” —-really? Can’t imagine why implying that universally-acknowledged paths to success such as “competitiveness,” “planning for the future” and “linear thinking” are “Attributes of whiteness” would impede that goal...)
I’m sure someone meant to put the oppressors in their place with that chart. But it’s ridiculously offensive to basically everyone *except* white people. Super weird.

Well I imagine the goal was likely to turn assumptions of success on its ear by challenging what and why we view things a certain way or at least through the lens of whiteness. Like just saying “linear thinking” is an assumption of whiteness doesn’t mean that it’s not also an assumption or aspect of blackness or brownness. But people were likely reading into the chart that if it appears on the chart then it’s a white thing. And I don’t think that’s what was intended.
And then the next step would be “yeah we don’t need to adopt that value just bc that’s how whites see it!” (Which is fair enough for sure) But the flip side of that is you don’t want to go throwing the baby out with the bath water. You don’t have to be white to appreciate the value of “quantitative emphasis” in science, for example. So just because that is an “assumption of whiteness” doesn’t mean it’s not an assumption across other races.
I’d argue that the chart is not an assumption of European-American western civilization in general rather than whiteness.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say I'm voting Republican this year, too. Our party has just become too "woke."

Same. I can’t bring myself to vote for Trump but I won’t vote for Biden either and then I’m voting straight Republican down the rest of the ticket just in case Biden wins. I didn’t leave my party first though. They left me. And they’ve gone off the deep end with trying to say that things like “hard work” and “punctuality” and “linear thinking” and “scientific method” and “nuclear family” are “white” values instead of American values. What? I just can’t with that nonsense.

This is crazy - who's saying this? I can't believe someone's actually had the gall to say that “hard work” and “punctuality” and “linear thinking” and “scientific method” and “nuclear family” are “white” values instead of American values.

It IS crazy.
But these and other “assumptions and aspects of whiteness and white culture” were put on a handy flyer and posted it n the website of the Smithsonian Museum of African American History and Culture earlier this year. I think it was in June? It is no longer on their website but you can search google images and it pops up. And the website now has a blurb that explains that the chart was removed (not because they think it is in error or attributes shared values of Americans to just “white” values, but because it “doesn’t contribute to the productive discussion we had intended” —-really? Can’t imagine why implying that universally-acknowledged paths to success such as “competitiveness,” “planning for the future” and “linear thinking” are “Attributes of whiteness” would impede that goal...)
I’m sure someone meant to put the oppressors in their place with that chart. But it’s ridiculously offensive to basically everyone *except* white people. Super weird.

Well I imagine the goal was likely to turn assumptions of success on its ear by challenging what and why we view things a certain way or at least through the lens of whiteness. Like just saying “linear thinking” is an assumption of whiteness doesn’t mean that it’s not also an assumption or aspect of blackness or brownness. But people were likely reading into the chart that if it appears on the chart then it’s a white thing. And I don’t think that’s what was intended.
And then the next step would be “yeah we don’t need to adopt that value just bc that’s how whites see it!” (Which is fair enough for sure) But the flip side of that is you don’t want to go throwing the baby out with the bath water. You don’t have to be white to appreciate the value of “quantitative emphasis” in science, for example. So just because that is an “assumption of whiteness” doesn’t mean it’s not an assumption across other races.
I’d argue that the chart is not an assumption of European-American western civilization in general rather than whiteness.

Sorry. Edit: The “not” shouldn’t be there.

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This is crazy - who's saying this? I can't believe someone's actually had the gall to say that “hard work” and “punctuality” and “linear thinking” and “plying that universally-acknowledged paths to success such as “competitiveness,” “planning for the future” and “linear thinking” are “Attributes of whiteness” would impede that goal...)
I’m sure someone meant to put the oppressors in their place with that chart. But it’s ridiculously offensive to basically everyone *except* white people. Super weird.

You mean SJW white people. I think the majority of us think it's BS. It's also degrading to black people. It implies that black people don't have these qualities, or at least not to the extent that they can compete with non-blacks, so they make those qualities out to be bad things.

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Anonymous wrote:"This past few months reading all these threads regarding the hate people have towards Asian is just unreal, and frankly very disappointing. It tells me that hardworking Asian will not be welcomed in this country."

Please do not despair AA families!
I know this is a troubled time in our country and racism against AAs has been on the uptick.

Our numbers are growing, the country changes whether or not the populace embraces it. Affirmative action is on the doorstep of being repealed.

Don't let a few lonely racist folks despair you. I'm not sure why they are posting here, but who cares? The future is Asian.

Thr economic center of the world is moving back east and this century is an Asian century.

Asian Americans are the fastest growing minority in the US — liberal whites are scared.

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Anonymous wrote:Many whites are so judgmental, arrogant and self righteous! Asian parents care their kid’s wellbeing as much as any other race. They may disagree with you that drilling in math is child abuse while drilling in sports is character building, that doesn’t mean they are worse parents. And outliers exist in all races.

What is wrong with you? You keep attacking white people?

This trend of attacking white parents and their children among the Coalition for TJ crowd has been very disturbing. Before this? I had no idea the amount of hatred for whites that exists at TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:"This past few months reading all these threads regarding the hate people have towards Asian is just unreal, and frankly very disappointing. It tells me that hardworking Asian will not be welcomed in this country."

Please do not despair AA families!
I know this is a troubled time in our country and racism against AAs has been on the uptick.

Our numbers are growing, the country changes whether or not the populace embraces it. Affirmative action is on the doorstep of being repealed.

Don't let a few lonely racist folks despair you. I'm not sure why they are posting here, but who cares? The future is Asian.

Thr economic center of the world is moving back east and this century is an Asian century.

Asian Americans are the fastest growing minority in the US — liberal whites are scared.

Sounds more like Asians ruin local education because they are so worried about missing out on all the action back east.

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Anonymous wrote:So tired of white people speaking for the poor Black oppressed. I think Black people are capable and able to self determine what they need as individuals and don't need white people virtue signaling on their behalf.
Oh, of course, by all means put the BLM sign on the lawn, that helps a lot. It impresses the domestic help when they come through the neighborhood.
Don't come on a thread about Asian american discrimination and lecture us on how good we have it.
It's reeks of colonialism. Remember those days?

To add on to this.

Anybody who is not Asian and is talking stupid only needs to look at the LA riots and what happened to Koreatown. The whites allowed Koreatown to burn because they forced the police to put a blockade between Beverly Hills/West Hollywood and Koreatown. The Rodney King beating and trial was a black-white issue but the white media made it out to seem that blacks left South Central to go after Koreans because of racial tension. Blacks weren't looking to stop at Koreatown for a free bite to eat and a new wardrobe - they were trying to get to Rodeo Drive but were prevented from doing so by the police, who were told to "stand back and stand by" so that blacks could get it out of their system. Koreans were collateral damage and many of these businesses were uninsured with life savings put into it in order to make enough to send their kids to a good college. After the riots, Koreans were vilified (guns on roofs) so white people could escape the blame. An entire community was destroyed but there was no FEMA or Kickstarter, etc; no Feed the World or Imagine. The Korean community pulled together and helped each other. in times of distress, white people like to scream for subsidies and emergency assistance and URM like to ask for some type of public welfare. Asians only try to suffer through this generation so the next one can prosper. When you speak of "rich" Asians, you're talking about a lot of blue collar types that work 14 hours a day and don't have extended family to lean on during hard times. Taking away merit based admissions to any competitive school is basically the only thing that Asians can definitively lean on. And this is earning a spot. not being given one.

Thanks for sharing this.

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Anonymous wrote:Many whites are so judgmental, arrogant and self righteous! Asian parents care their kid’s wellbeing as much as any other race. They may disagree with you that drilling in math is child abuse while drilling in sports is character building, that doesn’t mean they are worse parents. And outliers exist in all races.

What is wrong with you? You keep attacking white people?

This trend of attacking white parents and their children among the Coalition for TJ crowd has been very disturbing. Before this? I had no idea the amount of hatred for whites that exists at TJ.

Umm... who attacked whom first? who spewed out hatred first?

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If Asian kids were systemically allowed to get lower grades and things would be ok, then the temperature would fall no?

A test case would be if t20s went full lottery for kids who score above 1200 on the sat and no grades.

Kids of all races would prep less, be more chill, and pursue other interests.