Trump wanted to release immigration detainees onto the streets of “sanctuary cities"

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"yes they do believe in the stuff he/she is spewing because the cult members are conned to believe that all their issue is due to immigration and not because their party stops them from getting education, healthcare and other benefits and gives that to the rich as tax cuts."

Reposting a pp's comment because although it was poorly written and punctuated, it is so spot on.

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny that Trumpkins are delighted at the thought of "punishing" sanctuary cities by sending illegal immigrants to us ...

You do realize that sanctuary cities are by and large cities where immigrants - both legal and illegal - ALREADY live. They are already here. And many of our communities are rallying to make it possible for them to live their fullest lives and become contributors to our regions. It's not a punishment - it's the American way.

Exactly - it’s NOT a punishment. So why are Democrats so very outraged?? They should be tickled pink.

For the 100000th time...

It’s not that Dems think it’s a punishment, it’s that Trump and Miller sat down to think of a way to punish Dems for the ICE funding for beds. Trump thinks it’s a punishment he can inflict on Dems in retaliation for budget negotiations.

I think he should go ahead with his plan. If ICE doesn’t have the funds for the buses he should loan out his campaign buses and take full credit for his plan. It would certainly make him look like a compassionate guy.

Yes, we know - you've repeated your spiel for the 100000th time. The point you seem to be deliberately avoiding is: SO WHAT if Trump thought it would be a "punishment"? Many of you have repeatedly said it would *not* be a punishment to receive these immigrants. Though I question how many of you actually live in the targeted sanctuary cities - easy for you to say how much they'd be welcome if you're not even living there.

Finally, what's your explanation as to why Democrats refused funding for ICE beds? If beds are needed, why are they not being funded by the very people who insist these migrants are so welcome here?

POTUS planning punishment for citizens of the his own country is OK in your books?? Seriously???

Oh, for crying out loud. You are completely unable to carry on a normal conversation. The fact is: sanctuary cities (and Democrats in general) are insisting this would be no punishment at all for them, and that they would happily welcome a large influx of immigrants. It's not as if they've announced that it *would* be a punishment. So if they're assuring the country that it's no problem for them, then we should take them at their word. Can even a tiny part of your brain comprehend this, or are you going to continue beating this into the ground?

I agree with that PP - the POTUS sitting down to brainstorm ways to punish US citizens over budget negotiations is deplorable. But I guess that what ya’ll like about him. You certainly have no issue with it.

Here's a question that still hasn't been answered (since you brought up budget negotiations): why did Democrats deny funding for more ICE beds? Riddle me that.

I’ll gladly answer after 46 pages of deflection.

It was asked many pages back, and we're still waiting for our answer - which you don't have.

“Why do you care? It doesn’t matter WHY Dems deny funding.” Isn’t that your line?

So no answer. It's reprehensible that the very people saying immigrants are welcome here aren't even approving funding for much-needed beds. Then don't complain when these immigrants are put on buses and either a) deported or b) delivered to sanctuary cities. Serves you right.

Sorry, I need 46 pages before I’ll answer. What page did you first ask?

No worries, the answer is clear as day. Democrats refused funding for more ICE beds because every one of you is a huge hypocrite. Speaking of doing something purely out of spite - that would be Democrats to a t. We have our answer.

But but but...”the intent doesn’t matter”...

46 f#cking pages. Pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:If it wasn’t Trumps idea, would sending people to the sanctuary cities be considered a punishment on the residents of those cities?

Not really if it were done in a respectful manner. Don’t just drop them off unannounced in the middle of the night. Which is exactly what Trump would want to do.

No one said anything about “unannounced in the middle of the night”. Talk about spinning a story in order to fear-monger. Hypocrites.

What?! I thought you love the spin and love the fear. That’s why you love the whole “illegal” immigrant boogeyman. SO SCARY!

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Anonymous wrote:Who decided to “dump” all the Somalians in Minnesota and Maine or was that just a big coincidence?

I’d like to know this too.

The state and local.govrrnments. there's actually a whole process (or at least there was for decades) to settle and integrate refugees. Generally, iirc, medium sized cities offer the take a certain amount. For them it's about fighting population loss or spurring population growth. For the govt it's easier to track and provide services. Often there's a cultural fit as well. For instance Detroit wanted Syrian refugees (until Trump stopped things). TN and MN got the Hmong in the 80s because of hunting. Of course, all of that is for refugees coming in a less haphazard fashion.

That's the thing. There are things that could easily be done to actually improve the underlying system (to take into account the changing circumstances caused by refugees (in the general sense) coming directly by land). There are many small and medium sized cities that need to be repopulated to survive. Trump and his ilk's grandstanding demogoguery have actually made things worse and prevented solutions.

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Anonymous wrote:If it wasn’t Trumps idea, would sending people to the sanctuary cities be considered a punishment on the residents of those cities?

Not really if it were done in a respectful manner. Don’t just drop them off unannounced in the middle of the night. Which is exactly what Trump would want to do.

That's EXACTLY what Obama did.

Source?

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Anonymous wrote:If it wasn’t Trumps idea, would sending people to the sanctuary cities be considered a punishment on the residents of those cities?

Not really if it were done in a respectful manner. Don’t just drop them off unannounced in the middle of the night. Which is exactly what Trump would want to do.

No one said anything about “unannounced in the middle of the night”. Talk about spinning a story in order to fear-monger. Hypocrites.

That's exactly what was proposed (and shot down by CBP)!! It's what you've been arguing is a brilliant idea for dozens of pages! Do you seriously no longer remember four days ago?

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Anonymous wrote:If it wasn’t Trumps idea, would sending people to the sanctuary cities be considered a punishment on the residents of those cities?

In other words, if this had been a Dem's idea, how would liberals be reacting to this measure?

great question

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DP. I pointed this out earlier in the thread. If AOC, for instance, had come up with this idea, liberals would be praising her to the heavens. The only variable here is that it was Trump's idea - and so it must be shot down immediately, preferably with as much outrage as possible.

Take the politics out of it and it bocomes a simple question.

Is relocating these people to the sanctuary cities a punishment or not? If so, what’s the point of sanctuary cities? If not, what’s the problem?

Why are you so fixated on “punishment”? Seek help for your anger issues.

I don’t think it’s a punishment. Others here keep saying it is, I’m asking why they think that.

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Anonymous wrote:If it wasn’t Trumps idea, would sending people to the sanctuary cities be considered a punishment on the residents of those cities?

In other words, if this had been a Dem's idea, how would liberals be reacting to this measure?

great question

+1
DP. I pointed this out earlier in the thread. If AOC, for instance, had come up with this idea, liberals would be praising her to the heavens. The only variable here is that it was Trump's idea - and so it must be shot down immediately, preferably with as much outrage as possible.

Take the politics out of it and it bocomes a simple question.

Is relocating these people to the sanctuary cities a punishment or not? If so, what’s the point of sanctuary cities? If not, what’s the problem?

Why are you so fixated on “punishment”? Seek help for your anger issues.

I don’t think it’s a punishment. Others here keep saying it is, I’m asking why they think that.

Why do you care what random internet people think more than what the POTUS thinks?

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Anonymous wrote:If it wasn’t Trumps idea, would sending people to the sanctuary cities be considered a punishment on the residents of those cities?

In other words, if this had been a Dem's idea, how would liberals be reacting to this measure?

great question

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DP. I pointed this out earlier in the thread. If AOC, for instance, had come up with this idea, liberals would be praising her to the heavens. The only variable here is that it was Trump's idea - and so it must be shot down immediately, preferably with as much outrage as possible.

Take the politics out of it and it bocomes a simple question.

Is relocating these people to the sanctuary cities a punishment or not? If so, what’s the point of sanctuary cities? If not, what’s the problem?

Why are you so fixated on “punishment”? Seek help for your anger issues.

I don’t think it’s a punishment. Others here keep saying it is, I’m asking why they think that.

Why do you care what random internet people think more than what the POTUS thinks?

Because what he thinks is irrelevant. If he thinks it’s a great idea, does it suddenly become a great idea.

It’s a simple question.

Is relocating these people to the sanctuary cities a punishment or not? If so, what’s the point of sanctuary cities? If not, what’s the problem?

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Trump is full of hot air! If he wanted to fix the illegal immigration problem; he would give jail time to employers. This of course would not do anything for asylum seekers. He made things worse by cutting aid.

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Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

You don’t know much, then.

In terms of priorities, most middle and working class Americans are prioritizing healthcare, jobs, and affordable housing.

Immigration is only a fixation for Trump’s base because he’s used it as a wedge and fanned the flames of xenophobia and fear. White guys with assault weapons are far more dangerous to the average American than an illegal immigrant. As a group, illegals commit far fewer crimes by percentage.

My midwestern in-laws couldn’t give a hoot about illegal immigrants. They are concerned about the fact that the only hospital I’m the 50 mile area has closed and with it all the jobs related to it gone. They have grown to appreciate the ACA recognizing that it protects coverage preexisting conditions and wonder what will happen if Trump further guts the ACA with no replacement.

They aren’t going to vote based on illegal immigration, that’s for sure. This is a wedge issue and shame on the GOP ... though these days, the GOP has no shame. No guts. No shame. No integrity.

You do you; I'll do me.

Healthcare, in particular, is an immigration issue. Don't be fooled. If you think illegal immigration doesn't affect the issues you mentioned above, you're fooling yourself. Just watch your premiums grow b/c of free visits to the ER. WE end up paying.

The costs of immigrants in our system are relatively small but more importantly, healthcare is NOT an immigration issue. It’s a systemic issue that is driven by a for profit motive of our health care system. Premiums aren’t ramping up because of immigrants, FFS.

Do you actually believe the crap you’re spewing?

yes they do believe in the stuff he/she is spewing because the cult members are conned to believe that all their issue is due to immigration and not because their party stops them from getting education, healthcare and other benefits and gives that to the rich as tax cuts.

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The “illegal” boogeyman gets tons of mileage from the fearful, xenophobic morons.

Facts are your friend.

Instead of attacking, do some basic research. I did.

0.5% of US healthcare costs.

Just like I said: “illegal” boogeyman gets tons of mileage from the morons.

This doesn’t even touch on the tremendous resources given to children of illegal immigrants in our public schools. Clearly, your kids don’t attend one of these schools.

My kids attend “these schools”. 60% of my kids’ ES is ESOL. We have a high FARMS rate. And you know what? It’s a great school. My kids are thriving. These newcomers have families who work hard - some with multiple jobs - and are invested in education. They love being in this country. These are the kids who will grow up to be contributors to their communities and this country, just like generations of immigrant children before them.

As a tax payer, this “support” doesn’t bother me. These are future teachers, doctors, plumbers, scientists. They’ll give back.

You know what does bother me in terms of freeloading? When taxpayers have to subsidize the healthcare and food intake for workers at incredibly wealthy companies like Wal Mart because the company pays people working full time dirt wages. Or tax cuts for billionaires who mine federal subsidies and tax payer paid infrastructure to build riches. That’s the kind of corporate welfare that every American should be outraged by because there is very little “trickle down” or benefit to anyone beyond a select number of shareholders.

But Trump and the GOP have very effectively kept their base focused on the “outrage” of desperate Latinos fleeing poverty and violence in Central America. Never mind that most illegal immigrants in this country are here because they overstayed their visas and came here through airports, not the southern border. Hence 54+ pages of this thread....

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Anonymous wrote:"yes they do believe in the stuff he/she is spewing because the cult members are conned to believe that all their issue is due to immigration and not because their party stops them from getting education, healthcare and other benefits and gives that to the rich as tax cuts."

Reposting a pp's comment because although it was poorly written and punctuated, it is so spot on.

Both you and your pal you quoted above are illiterate if you think obstacles to education and healthcare are due to SOLELY to the Rs.

Let's look at education.

https://proliteracy.org/Adult-Literacy-Facts
Take at look at the stats. This is a national crisis, not one solely affecting white Trump supporters. It affects those who are poor.

Regarding ethnicity, you can do your own research to examine disaggregated data by ethnicity, but here's a little taste.
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/12/11/african-american-students-lagging-far-behind

The article is a few years old, but I can guarantee the stats are still the same. I'm sure many AAs voted for Trump, eh?

On the 2015 National Assessment of Educational Progress, only 18 percent of African-American fourth-graders were proficient in reading and only 19 percent scored as proficient in math, according to an analysis by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce Foundation released Friday. The eighth-grade numbers were even worse, with only 16 percent of African-American students proficient in reading and 13 percent proficient in math.

So before you spout off, take a step back, do your research, and then post.

You both sound like idiots.

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Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

You don’t know much, then.

In terms of priorities, most middle and working class Americans are prioritizing healthcare, jobs, and affordable housing.

Immigration is only a fixation for Trump’s base because he’s used it as a wedge and fanned the flames of xenophobia and fear. White guys with assault weapons are far more dangerous to the average American than an illegal immigrant. As a group, illegals commit far fewer crimes by percentage.

My midwestern in-laws couldn’t give a hoot about illegal immigrants. They are concerned about the fact that the only hospital I’m the 50 mile area has closed and with it all the jobs related to it gone. They have grown to appreciate the ACA recognizing that it protects coverage preexisting conditions and wonder what will happen if Trump further guts the ACA with no replacement.

They aren’t going to vote based on illegal immigration, that’s for sure. This is a wedge issue and shame on the GOP ... though these days, the GOP has no shame. No guts. No shame. No integrity.

You do you; I'll do me.

Healthcare, in particular, is an immigration issue. Don't be fooled. If you think illegal immigration doesn't affect the issues you mentioned above, you're fooling yourself. Just watch your premiums grow b/c of free visits to the ER. WE end up paying.

The costs of immigrants in our system are relatively small but more importantly, healthcare is NOT an immigration issue. It’s a systemic issue that is driven by a for profit motive of our health care system. Premiums aren’t ramping up because of immigrants, FFS.

Do you actually believe the crap you’re spewing?

yes they do believe in the stuff he/she is spewing because the cult members are conned to believe that all their issue is due to immigration and not because their party stops them from getting education, healthcare and other benefits and gives that to the rich as tax cuts.

+1

The “illegal” boogeyman gets tons of mileage from the fearful, xenophobic morons.

Facts are your friend.

Instead of attacking, do some basic research. I did.

0.5% of US healthcare costs.

Just like I said: “illegal” boogeyman gets tons of mileage from the morons.

This doesn’t even touch on the tremendous resources given to children of illegal immigrants in our public schools. Clearly, your kids don’t attend one of these schools.

My kids attend “these schools”. 60% of my kids’ ES is ESOL. We have a high FARMS rate. And you know what? It’s a great school. My kids are thriving. These newcomers have families who work hard - some with multiple jobs - and are invested in education. They love being in this country. These are the kids who will grow up to be contributors to their communities and this country, just like generations of immigrant children before them.

As a tax payer, this “support” doesn’t bother me. These are future teachers, doctors, plumbers, scientists. They’ll give back.

You know what does bother me in terms of freeloading? When taxpayers have to subsidize the healthcare and food intake for workers at incredibly wealthy companies like Wal Mart because the company pays people working full time dirt wages. Or tax cuts for billionaires who mine federal subsidies and tax payer paid infrastructure to build riches. That’s the kind of corporate welfare that every American should be outraged by because there is very little “trickle down” or benefit to anyone beyond a select number of shareholders.

But Trump and the GOP have very effectively kept their base focused on the “outrage” of desperate Latinos fleeing poverty and violence in Central America. Never mind that most illegal immigrants in this country are here because they overstayed their visas and came here through airports, not the southern border. Hence 54+ pages of this thread....

Thank you for sharing this beautiful, apocryphal story. Our diversity truly is our narrative strength.

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Anonymous wrote:Who decided to “dump” all the Somalians in Minnesota and Maine or was that just a big coincidence?

I’d like to know this too.

Nobody decided to “dump” them in ME. They moved moved there on their own after starting in another city. The same way the Polish in Cleveland or Scandinavian in Minnesota did after they arrived through NY. It’s kind of naive to assume if Trump relocated people to “sanctuary” cities, they would just stay there. People migrate to where they have connections.

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Anonymous wrote:If it wasn’t Trumps idea, would sending people to the sanctuary cities be considered a punishment on the residents of those cities?

Not really if it were done in a respectful manner. Don’t just drop them off unannounced in the middle of the night. Which is exactly what Trump would want to do.

No one said anything about “unannounced in the middle of the night”. Talk about spinning a story in order to fear-monger. Hypocrites.

That's exactly what was proposed (and shot down by CBP)!! It's what you've been arguing is a brilliant idea for dozens of pages! Do you seriously no longer remember four days ago?

This exactly. I am sure communities all over the country would be willing to accept some refugees but it has to be handled properly. The federal government has to be a responsible partner and provide resources and send people in an organized manner so these communities can absorb them One of the rationales for sanctuary cities is local officials want to know who is living and working in their community. It is an imperfect way of trying to keep the community at large safe. So local police, health, social and education officials know as much as possible about the people living amongst them. What the administration is threatening to do fundamentally undermines this