Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

NP here. I have mad respect for anyone doing that work. It is not easy, and they certainly aren’t a brown underclass. They are an essential component of our workforce and economy. They put food on our table and a roof over our heads. There have been attempts to get Americans to do these jobs. It hasn’t worked. So, brace yourself for paying $5 for a single apple and construction projects being halted.

These cheap apples and that cheap labor only continue if we allow employers to exploit immigrants with low wages and other substandard treatment.

Is your position that we continue to have this exploited workforce?

Because once we address the horrible practices that pervade undocumented workforces, we’ll end up with expensive apples and costly labor.

But this is the fundamental disconnect of MAGA: complaining about high prices and demanding good wages for manual labor.

What is the answer?

Lower energy prices, drill, baby, drill.

We already producing record output of oil, but according to MAGA, we still have inflation. Why do I have the feeling that come Jan 20, MAGA will start to say that inflation is coming down even as the prices really haven't dropped much. Rather, prices will increase due to Trump tariffs.



https://www.vox.com/climate/24098983/biden-oil-production-climate-fossil-fuel-renewables

So the democrat answer was to raise corporate taxes...because that would never get passed on to the end consumer, right?

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

NP here. I have mad respect for anyone doing that work. It is not easy, and they certainly aren’t a brown underclass. They are an essential component of our workforce and economy. They put food on our table and a roof over our heads. There have been attempts to get Americans to do these jobs. It hasn’t worked. So, brace yourself for paying $5 for a single apple and construction projects being halted.

These cheap apples and that cheap labor only continue if we allow employers to exploit immigrants with low wages and other substandard treatment.

Is your position that we continue to have this exploited workforce?

Because once we address the horrible practices that pervade undocumented workforces, we’ll end up with expensive apples and costly labor.

But this is the fundamental disconnect of MAGA: complaining about high prices and demanding good wages for manual labor.

What is the answer?

Lower energy prices, drill, baby, drill.

Usually, during Thanksgiving week, gas prices spike. This year, it was pretty cheap. We drove up to NJ from MD, filled up in both states. I was shocked at the low gas prices. Must be because Biden's been having the US drill baby drill.

Gas prices also are low when the economy is bad. So that may also be a factor.

If the economy is so bad, why are people spending more this year?

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/black-friday-data-shows-us-shoppers-spent-108-bln-online-2024-11-30/


Why did we have record travel this past summer?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-travelers-set-end-summer-high-note-with-record-labor-day-air-travel-2024-08-28/

Reality doesn't seem to match the "woe is me" complaints.

The Christmas shopping season is a week shorter this year. Don’t be surprised if YoY retail sales end up down.

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It will be worth every penny. It will save far more than it costs.

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Can we just send all 1st generations back and have them all res tested?

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

NP here. I have mad respect for anyone doing that work. It is not easy, and they certainly aren’t a brown underclass. They are an essential component of our workforce and economy. They put food on our table and a roof over our heads. There have been attempts to get Americans to do these jobs. It hasn’t worked. So, brace yourself for paying $5 for a single apple and construction projects being halted.

These cheap apples and that cheap labor only continue if we allow employers to exploit immigrants with low wages and other substandard treatment.

Is your position that we continue to have this exploited workforce?

Because once we address the horrible practices that pervade undocumented workforces, we’ll end up with expensive apples and costly labor.

But this is the fundamental disconnect of MAGA: complaining about high prices and demanding good wages for manual labor.

What is the answer?

Lower energy prices, drill, baby, drill.

We already producing record output of oil, but according to MAGA, we still have inflation. Why do I have the feeling that come Jan 20, MAGA will start to say that inflation is coming down even as the prices really haven't dropped much. Rather, prices will increase due to Trump tariffs.



https://www.vox.com/climate/24098983/biden-oil-production-climate-fossil-fuel-renewables

So the democrat answer was to raise corporate taxes...because that would never get passed on to the end consumer, right?

It doesn’t and didn’t when Obama did it. There are studies backing this up that you are welcome to google.

Trickle down does not work.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we just send all 1st generations back and have them all res tested?

Trump is going to deport people born in the US if their parents weren't born here.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we just send all 1st generations back and have them all res tested?

Trump is going to deport people born in the US if their parents weren't born here.

Oh you are just catching up here, aren’t you? Notice how all references to illegal and legal have been dropped. It is now just immigrants who will be deported.

Nobody could’ve seen this coming.

Maybe Miami will be a English as a first language by 2026?

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Anonymous wrote:Can we just send all 1st generations back and have them all res tested?

Trump is going to deport people born in the US if their parents weren't born here.

This happens today and has been happening.

If the parents are being deported , the child can go with them, or they can give guardianship of the child to someone in the US. Worst and least likely case scenario they just abandon the child and the child enters foster care.

The child is not being deported.

I think that border crossing for non citizens should be denied to visibly pregnant women. I think they can ask outright or if the border control reasonably suspects. If this had been done a long time ago we would be in less of a mess now

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Stop lumping all Hispanics together and saying we were all duped. The entire quote from the video on deportation of families is:
“It depends on the family,” Trump said, adding later: “If they come here illegally but their family is here legally, then the family has a choice. The person that came in illegally can go out, or they can all go out together.”

This is what actually happens right now. The choice will be the entire family is deported or the US citizen child can stay with family members/guardians in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anyone been to an airport? Migrants are leaving on their own.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we just send all 1st generations back and have them all res tested?

Trump is going to deport people born in the US if their parents weren't born here.

This happens today and has been happening.

If the parents are being deported , the child can go with them, or they can give guardianship of the child to someone in the US. Worst and least likely case scenario they just abandon the child and the child enters foster care.

The child is not being deported.

I think that border crossing for non citizens should be denied to visibly pregnant women. I think they can ask outright or if the border control reasonably suspects. If this had been done a long time ago we would be in less of a mess now

+1 and the ones climbing over the wall while in labor should be sent back across the border as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we just send all 1st generations back and have them all res tested?

Trump is going to deport people born in the US if their parents weren't born here.

This happens today and has been happening.

If the parents are being deported , the child can go with them, or they can give guardianship of the child to someone in the US. Worst and least likely case scenario they just abandon the child and the child enters foster care.

The child is not being deported.

I think that border crossing for non citizens should be denied to visibly pregnant women. I think they can ask outright or if the border control reasonably suspects. If this had been done a long time ago we would be in less of a mess now

Maybe they could give all women crossing the border a compulsory pregnancy test?

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

NP here. I have mad respect for anyone doing that work. It is not easy, and they certainly aren’t a brown underclass. They are an essential component of our workforce and economy. They put food on our table and a roof over our heads. There have been attempts to get Americans to do these jobs. It hasn’t worked. So, brace yourself for paying $5 for a single apple and construction projects being halted.

These cheap apples and that cheap labor only continue if we allow employers to exploit immigrants with low wages and other substandard treatment.

Is your position that we continue to have this exploited workforce?

Because once we address the horrible practices that pervade undocumented workforces, we’ll end up with expensive apples and costly labor.

But this is the fundamental disconnect of MAGA: complaining about high prices and demanding good wages for manual labor.

What is the answer?

Lower energy prices, drill, baby, drill.

We already producing record output of oil, but according to MAGA, we still have inflation. Why do I have the feeling that come Jan 20, MAGA will start to say that inflation is coming down even as the prices really haven't dropped much. Rather, prices will increase due to Trump tariffs.



https://www.vox.com/climate/24098983/biden-oil-production-climate-fossil-fuel-renewables

So the democrat answer was to raise corporate taxes...because that would never get passed on to the end consumer, right?

And how much do the CEOs make? Bonuses, stock options, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we just send all 1st generations back and have them all res tested?

Trump is going to deport people born in the US if their parents weren't born here.

This happens today and has been happening.

If the parents are being deported , the child can go with them, or they can give guardianship of the child to someone in the US. Worst and least likely case scenario they just abandon the child and the child enters foster care.

The child is not being deported.

I think that border crossing for non citizens should be denied to visibly pregnant women. I think they can ask outright or if the border control reasonably suspects. If this had been done a long time ago we would be in less of a mess now

Maybe they could give all women crossing the border a compulsory pregnancy test?

They should. Until birthright citizenship is reversed drastic measures should be in place.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone been to an airport? Migrants are leaving on their own.

So you can look at an airport passenger and immediately know whether or not they are a migrant, and whether they have a one-way or round trip ticket? Amazing!