Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

NP here. I have mad respect for anyone doing that work. It is not easy, and they certainly aren’t a brown underclass. They are an essential component of our workforce and economy. They put food on our table and a roof over our heads. There have been attempts to get Americans to do these jobs. It hasn’t worked. So, brace yourself for paying $5 for a single apple and construction projects being halted.

These cheap apples and that cheap labor only continue if we allow employers to exploit immigrants with low wages and other substandard treatment.

Is your position that we continue to have this exploited workforce?

Because once we address the horrible practices that pervade undocumented workforces, we’ll end up with expensive apples and costly labor.

For many, agriculture/farming is deeply ingrained in their culture. It is respectable work.

It is work they can find very quickly after coming here.

It is steady, reliable income

It is seasonal, which allows them to supplement their income with other jobs.

In fields like agriculture and construction, the language barrier is not as much of an issue as with other jobs.

I know several people who employ Hispanic workers. They aren’t exploiting them. There is a mutual respect, and they treat them well. I’m sure there are some who exploit them, but it is not fair to say that anyone working those jobs is exploited. That implies that you don’t see it as respectable work that someone would want to do. If you are truly concerned with exploitation of immigrant workers, then let’s talk about ways to address this through policy rather than kicking them out of the country.

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

NP here. I have mad respect for anyone doing that work. It is not easy, and they certainly aren’t a brown underclass. They are an essential component of our workforce and economy. They put food on our table and a roof over our heads. There have been attempts to get Americans to do these jobs. It hasn’t worked. So, brace yourself for paying $5 for a single apple and construction projects being halted.

These cheap apples and that cheap labor only continue if we allow employers to exploit immigrants with low wages and other substandard treatment.

Is your position that we continue to have this exploited workforce?

Because once we address the horrible practices that pervade undocumented workforces, we’ll end up with expensive apples and costly labor.

For many, agriculture/farming is deeply ingrained in their culture. It is respectable work.

It is work they can find very quickly after coming here.

It is steady, reliable income

It is seasonal, which allows them to supplement their income with other jobs.

In fields like agriculture and construction, the language barrier is not as much of an issue as with other jobs.

I know several people who employ Hispanic workers. They aren’t exploiting them. There is a mutual respect, and they treat them well. I’m sure there are some who exploit them, but it is not fair to say that anyone working those jobs is exploited. That implies that you don’t see it as respectable work that someone would want to do. If you are truly concerned with exploitation of immigrant workers, then let’s talk about ways to address this through policy rather than kicking them out of the country.

“It is seasonal, which allows them to supplement their income with other jobs.”

Really? You think the people working the fields have careers they take a little vacation from? They hop over the border and pick fruit for a season, and then resume their real job after they have harvest the crop?

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

NP here. I have mad respect for anyone doing that work. It is not easy, and they certainly aren’t a brown underclass. They are an essential component of our workforce and economy. They put food on our table and a roof over our heads. There have been attempts to get Americans to do these jobs. It hasn’t worked. So, brace yourself for paying $5 for a single apple and construction projects being halted.

These cheap apples and that cheap labor only continue if we allow employers to exploit immigrants with low wages and other substandard treatment.

Is your position that we continue to have this exploited workforce?

Because once we address the horrible practices that pervade undocumented workforces, we’ll end up with expensive apples and costly labor.

For many, agriculture/farming is deeply ingrained in their culture. It is respectable work.

It is work they can find very quickly after coming here.

It is steady, reliable income

It is seasonal, which allows them to supplement their income with other jobs.

In fields like agriculture and construction, the language barrier is not as much of an issue as with other jobs.

I know several people who employ Hispanic workers. They aren’t exploiting them. There is a mutual respect, and they treat them well. I’m sure there are some who exploit them, but it is not fair to say that anyone working those jobs is exploited. That implies that you don’t see it as respectable work that someone would want to do. If you are truly concerned with exploitation of immigrant workers, then let’s talk about ways to address this through policy rather than kicking them out of the country.

We already have policies to address this. We have laws to address this, that are being broken. Enforce the law. That’s it. Businesses will have to adjust. We can’t base American businesses on illegal immigration.

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

Stop trying to shift the blame to the liberals. It’s tiring. The point is that many of the people who voted for Trump (like farmers, small business owners, construction companies) employ undocumented workers. It’s not a liberal vs. conservative thing. It’s the rich vs everyone else. And I don’t know how Trump and co. convinced you dumb peons that the rich are all liberals.

Yes, I’m sure the effort of moving the goal posts must be very tiring. So now we’re here - rich people are doing it, it’s not a liberal issue. Ok. Well, am I, the dumb peon, supposed to support rich people using illegal aliens as near-slave labor? Yeah, no. I’m not ok with it. It seems like you are, though? So curious.

What in that statement makes you think I’m ok with it? I’m saying stop saying it’s liberals vs. the rich. If either party wanted to get this done, they would have done it. But they know it will piss the people on top. Work on your reading comprehension.

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

NP here. I have mad respect for anyone doing that work. It is not easy, and they certainly aren’t a brown underclass. They are an essential component of our workforce and economy. They put food on our table and a roof over our heads. There have been attempts to get Americans to do these jobs. It hasn’t worked. So, brace yourself for paying $5 for a single apple and construction projects being halted.

These cheap apples and that cheap labor only continue if we allow employers to exploit immigrants with low wages and other substandard treatment.

Is your position that we continue to have this exploited workforce?

Because once we address the horrible practices that pervade undocumented workforces, we’ll end up with expensive apples and costly labor.

For many, agriculture/farming is deeply ingrained in their culture. It is respectable work.

It is work they can find very quickly after coming here.

It is steady, reliable income

It is seasonal, which allows them to supplement their income with other jobs.

In fields like agriculture and construction, the language barrier is not as much of an issue as with other jobs.

I know several people who employ Hispanic workers. They aren’t exploiting them. There is a mutual respect, and they treat them well. I’m sure there are some who exploit them, but it is not fair to say that anyone working those jobs is exploited. That implies that you don’t see it as respectable work that someone would want to do. If you are truly concerned with exploitation of immigrant workers, then let’s talk about ways to address this through policy rather than kicking them out of the country.

“It is seasonal, which allows them to supplement their income with other jobs.”

Really? You think the people working the fields have careers they take a little vacation from? They hop over the border and pick fruit for a season, and then resume their real job after they have harvest the crop?

Many of them work construction jobs during the off season.

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

NP here. I have mad respect for anyone doing that work. It is not easy, and they certainly aren’t a brown underclass. They are an essential component of our workforce and economy. They put food on our table and a roof over our heads. There have been attempts to get Americans to do these jobs. It hasn’t worked. So, brace yourself for paying $5 for a single apple and construction projects being halted.

These cheap apples and that cheap labor only continue if we allow employers to exploit immigrants with low wages and other substandard treatment.

Is your position that we continue to have this exploited workforce?

Because once we address the horrible practices that pervade undocumented workforces, we’ll end up with expensive apples and costly labor.

But this is the fundamental disconnect of MAGA: complaining about high prices and demanding good wages for manual labor.

What is the answer?

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

NP here. I have mad respect for anyone doing that work. It is not easy, and they certainly aren’t a brown underclass. They are an essential component of our workforce and economy. They put food on our table and a roof over our heads. There have been attempts to get Americans to do these jobs. It hasn’t worked. So, brace yourself for paying $5 for a single apple and construction projects being halted.

These cheap apples and that cheap labor only continue if we allow employers to exploit immigrants with low wages and other substandard treatment.

Is your position that we continue to have this exploited workforce?

Because once we address the horrible practices that pervade undocumented workforces, we’ll end up with expensive apples and costly labor.

But this is the fundamental disconnect of MAGA: complaining about high prices and demanding good wages for manual labor.

What is the answer?

The MAGA answer was to believe the reality TV “business man” who said it was really all very simple and like magic, he will make it all better on January 20.
And in some ways he will. He will just say over and over again that this is the strongest economy that this country has ever seen, and he has all the best people looking “very closely” and more “plans” will be along shortly. And the media will bark and roll over after his most recent insulting tweet, and no one will report on the self dealing, and grifting he, his family, and the hangers on engage in.
And MAGA will sleep like babies, knowing in their souls, that this is “ the strongest economy this country has ever seen”
“ the strongest economy this country has ever seen.”
“The strongest economy … the country…”zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

Stop trying to shift the blame to the liberals. It’s tiring. The point is that many of the people who voted for Trump (like farmers, small business owners, construction companies) employ undocumented workers. It’s not a liberal vs. conservative thing. It’s the rich vs everyone else. And I don’t know how Trump and co. convinced you dumb peons that the rich are all liberals.

Yes, I’m sure the effort of moving the goal posts must be very tiring. So now we’re here - rich people are doing it, it’s not a liberal issue. Ok. Well, am I, the dumb peon, supposed to support rich people using illegal aliens as near-slave labor? Yeah, no. I’m not ok with it. It seems like you are, though? So curious.

What in that statement makes you think I’m ok with it? I’m saying stop saying it’s liberals vs. the rich. If either party wanted to get this done, they would have done it. But they know it will piss the people on top. Work on your reading comprehension.

Great, so you agree it’s wrong to exploit illegal alien slave labor and we as a country should crack down on it. Glad we’re on the same page. Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

NP here. I have mad respect for anyone doing that work. It is not easy, and they certainly aren’t a brown underclass. They are an essential component of our workforce and economy. They put food on our table and a roof over our heads. There have been attempts to get Americans to do these jobs. It hasn’t worked. So, brace yourself for paying $5 for a single apple and construction projects being halted.

These cheap apples and that cheap labor only continue if we allow employers to exploit immigrants with low wages and other substandard treatment.

Is your position that we continue to have this exploited workforce?

Because once we address the horrible practices that pervade undocumented workforces, we’ll end up with expensive apples and costly labor.

But this is the fundamental disconnect of MAGA: complaining about high prices and demanding good wages for manual labor.

What is the answer?

Lower energy prices, drill, baby, drill.

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

NP here. I have mad respect for anyone doing that work. It is not easy, and they certainly aren’t a brown underclass. They are an essential component of our workforce and economy. They put food on our table and a roof over our heads. There have been attempts to get Americans to do these jobs. It hasn’t worked. So, brace yourself for paying $5 for a single apple and construction projects being halted.

These cheap apples and that cheap labor only continue if we allow employers to exploit immigrants with low wages and other substandard treatment.

Is your position that we continue to have this exploited workforce?

Because once we address the horrible practices that pervade undocumented workforces, we’ll end up with expensive apples and costly labor.

But this is the fundamental disconnect of MAGA: complaining about high prices and demanding good wages for manual labor.

What is the answer?

Lower energy prices, drill, baby, drill.

We already producing record output of oil, but according to MAGA, we still have inflation. Why do I have the feeling that come Jan 20, MAGA will start to say that inflation is coming down even as the prices really haven't dropped much. Rather, prices will increase due to Trump tariffs.



https://www.vox.com/climate/24098983/biden-oil-production-climate-fossil-fuel-renewables

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

NP here. I have mad respect for anyone doing that work. It is not easy, and they certainly aren’t a brown underclass. They are an essential component of our workforce and economy. They put food on our table and a roof over our heads. There have been attempts to get Americans to do these jobs. It hasn’t worked. So, brace yourself for paying $5 for a single apple and construction projects being halted.

These cheap apples and that cheap labor only continue if we allow employers to exploit immigrants with low wages and other substandard treatment.

Is your position that we continue to have this exploited workforce?

Because once we address the horrible practices that pervade undocumented workforces, we’ll end up with expensive apples and costly labor.

But this is the fundamental disconnect of MAGA: complaining about high prices and demanding good wages for manual labor.

What is the answer?

Lower energy prices, drill, baby, drill.

Usually, during Thanksgiving week, gas prices spike. This year, it was pretty cheap. We drove up to NJ from MD, filled up in both states. I was shocked at the low gas prices. Must be because Biden's been having the US drill baby drill.

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

NP here. I have mad respect for anyone doing that work. It is not easy, and they certainly aren’t a brown underclass. They are an essential component of our workforce and economy. They put food on our table and a roof over our heads. There have been attempts to get Americans to do these jobs. It hasn’t worked. So, brace yourself for paying $5 for a single apple and construction projects being halted.

These cheap apples and that cheap labor only continue if we allow employers to exploit immigrants with low wages and other substandard treatment.

Is your position that we continue to have this exploited workforce?

Because once we address the horrible practices that pervade undocumented workforces, we’ll end up with expensive apples and costly labor.

But this is the fundamental disconnect of MAGA: complaining about high prices and demanding good wages for manual labor.

What is the answer?

Lower energy prices, drill, baby, drill.

Usually, during Thanksgiving week, gas prices spike. This year, it was pretty cheap. We drove up to NJ from MD, filled up in both states. I was shocked at the low gas prices. Must be because Biden's been having the US drill baby drill.

Gas prices also are low when the economy is bad. So that may also be a factor.

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Let’s face reality. The problem isn’t people at the bottom of the economic ladder; it’s the folks at the top.

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

NP here. I have mad respect for anyone doing that work. It is not easy, and they certainly aren’t a brown underclass. They are an essential component of our workforce and economy. They put food on our table and a roof over our heads. There have been attempts to get Americans to do these jobs. It hasn’t worked. So, brace yourself for paying $5 for a single apple and construction projects being halted.

These cheap apples and that cheap labor only continue if we allow employers to exploit immigrants with low wages and other substandard treatment.

Is your position that we continue to have this exploited workforce?

Because once we address the horrible practices that pervade undocumented workforces, we’ll end up with expensive apples and costly labor.

But this is the fundamental disconnect of MAGA: complaining about high prices and demanding good wages for manual labor.

What is the answer?

Lower energy prices, drill, baby, drill.

Usually, during Thanksgiving week, gas prices spike. This year, it was pretty cheap. We drove up to NJ from MD, filled up in both states. I was shocked at the low gas prices. Must be because Biden's been having the US drill baby drill.

Low gas prices! Thanks Joe! Oh but Trump promised to cut it in half. That means $1.50 gas.

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

MAGA seems to have lost its way. Suspect just too many conflicting positions at this point to justify and defend.

There are plenty of young men willing to do it . They’re just looking for an honest wage.


Women won’t break into manual labor and never have. Even job sites now are filled with illegal alien men, not women. Minus the rare exception most women who come here don’t work and suck out of the system for benefits. My sister deals with this in VA as tons of illegals are in the school systems and the mothers are getting free diapers, food, medial care etc as poor Americans suffer.

So this argument is the democrats saying who’s going to build things just show they want to go back to their Democrat party roots. The party of slavery

I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes. I bet you even get your kids to clean their rooms, take out the garbage and clean the garbage cans.

You saying this just shows how out of touch you are. You probably live in a lily white UMC liberal enclave. I grew up in flyover country and in my family alone, parents/myself/siblings (all white), we have: 1) worked in a sanitation department job, 2) worked as a crop picker (before the industry was taken over by illegals), 3) worked as a pond installer, 4) worked as a short order cook (me and 2 siblings), 5) worked for a landscaping and tree trimming/cutting company, 6) worked construction, including roof installation. We respectively did many of these jobs as teens, but one of my brothers still works in construction and another for a landscaper (in their 20s). The one brother who used to work as a cook is now in the army. The brother who used to work as a pond installer now works in a factory and earns 6 figures with overtime (no college degree).

Americans ARE willing to do these jobs and HAVE been doing them.

Did you really list a whole bunch of jobs your family did as teens as proof that American adults want these as full time jobs?

I was directly responding to someone who said, and I quote,
“I promise, no young white men are going to pic any crops or do landscaping or putting roofs on homes.”

That is FALSE. Just because you think you’re too good to do those jobs, does not mean that people in the heartland of this country feel the same way.

And just so you know, people like you, with attitudes like yours, are why you lost.

Farmers in the heartland are scared of their crops rotting if Trump follows through, no?

There’s an H-2A visa program precisely so that doesn’t need to happen. Nice try.

I must say, it’s really eye opening to see how the liberal elites think they deserve a brown underclass of noncitizens to “do all the work Americans won’t do”.

NP here. I have mad respect for anyone doing that work. It is not easy, and they certainly aren’t a brown underclass. They are an essential component of our workforce and economy. They put food on our table and a roof over our heads. There have been attempts to get Americans to do these jobs. It hasn’t worked. So, brace yourself for paying $5 for a single apple and construction projects being halted.

These cheap apples and that cheap labor only continue if we allow employers to exploit immigrants with low wages and other substandard treatment.

Is your position that we continue to have this exploited workforce?

Because once we address the horrible practices that pervade undocumented workforces, we’ll end up with expensive apples and costly labor.

But this is the fundamental disconnect of MAGA: complaining about high prices and demanding good wages for manual labor.

What is the answer?

Lower energy prices, drill, baby, drill.

Usually, during Thanksgiving week, gas prices spike. This year, it was pretty cheap. We drove up to NJ from MD, filled up in both states. I was shocked at the low gas prices. Must be because Biden's been having the US drill baby drill.

Gas prices also are low when the economy is bad. So that may also be a factor.

If the economy is so bad, why are people spending more this year?

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/black-friday-data-shows-us-shoppers-spent-108-bln-online-2024-11-30/


Why did we have record travel this past summer?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-travelers-set-end-summer-high-note-with-record-labor-day-air-travel-2024-08-28/

Reality doesn't seem to match the "woe is me" complaints.