What if Biden does not bow out?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have a suspension that he had early-stage Parkinson's and it's gotten worse in the last year or so. This was known in Biden's inner circle, with rumors circulating outside of this circle. I also have a feeling that the Parkinson’s expert visiting the White House 8 times in 8 months is a cute way to hide the progression of Parkinson's. Did Biden consult with a Parkinson's physician? No. Did Biden's GP consult with this expert as a "go-between?" Probably.

it is so over for Biden and the hard left. But fortunately a Trump presidency will not be the end of the world and all the other hyperbole. and then hopefully in 2028, both parties will roll out younger, less divisive candidates.

I really want to believe you. I really do.

+1

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"It’s up to the president to decide if he is going to run. We’re all encouraging him to make that decision, because time is running short,"

Obviously he's already made that decision, or he would not have appeared on 50-whatever primary ballots. But I don't know that she's tossing him under the bus so much as hedging because no changes will be announced during the NATO summit or before the end of the Republican convention next week.

with each passing week it gets exponentially harder to make a change. The Dems screwed themselves so badly by propping him up as long as they did.

It’s really too late now.

Jill and Hunter aren’t letting their golden goose wander back to DE and lay on the beach and enjoy his last few months/years.

Neither Jill nor Hunter have an experience as an elected official and only see what they want-to stay in the WH. If I was a democrat, I would be spitting mad at those two, and even more furious with the invisible entity (Obama) that is animating this old, sick man. America is not their toy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He would be defiant in public no matter what's going on behind the scenes, OP. Psychologically, he can't do anything else.
There's a growing push on the part of Big Donors and Democrat insiders to replace him with Harris (or someone else).
It's going to be interesting to see how much "persuasion" it's going to take. I was giving it a few days, it might take weeks.

But it has to happen.

It is up to him. Alone. If he holds out another two weeks there will be no way to replace him. That is what he is doing. He is going nowhere. He is the nominee. In two weeks everyone will have to get back in line to support him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have a suspension that he had early-stage Parkinson's and it's gotten worse in the last year or so. This was known in Biden's inner circle, with rumors circulating outside of this circle. I also have a feeling that the Parkinson’s expert visiting the White House 8 times in 8 months is a cute way to hide the progression of Parkinson's. Did Biden consult with a Parkinson's physician? No. Did Biden's GP consult with this expert as a "go-between?" Probably.

This is fiction. There is literally no credible evidence of the above. The supposed "Parkinsons doctor" has been the neurology specialist for the White House Medical Unit going back to the Bush administration and made dozens and dozens of visits to the White House before Biden even got elected. By the faulty logic displayed here of "OHH A PARKINSONS DOCTOR VISITED" that means Trump has Parkinsons and so do Obama and Bush. See a problem there? And no, there's no "known in Biden's inner circle" - there's no credible evidence of it. Biden had a full physical in February including being examined by the Parkinsons doctor who concluded Biden DOES NOT HAVE Parkinsons and that is documented in a report and a statement.

I have never seen a credible source document that the parkinsons doc has visited the WH before. Do you have a source to link to?

have you watched this? This doctor specializes in parkinson’s patients and says he see patients everyday just like Joe Biden. NBC rolls tape of Biden doing everything this doctor says parkinson’s patients do as they progress. If you watched it you might change your mind. You aren’t even a little suspicious that a parkinsons doc has been visiting the WH and a parkinson’s doc says without doubt Joe has it? You think the doctor being interviewed is lying?

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Anonymous wrote:George Clooney expressed beautifully what so many American citizens are thinking about President Biden. Democratic leaders need to pay heed; and MSNBC media types need to quit trying to prop up Biden by spreading lies, misinformation, and accusations when people rightly share their observations relevant to his obvious decline healthwise.

Biden is in trouble in large part because his agenda was influenced by people like . . . George Clooney. They should have listened to Ricky Gervais at the Oscars a few years ago.

Exactly. I met George some years ago. He’s incredibly sweet and accommodating, but a complete pushover. His radical attorney wife is most likely speaking for him.

The fundraiser that Clooney headlined in June 2024 raised $28 million for Biden's reelection campaign, the most for the Democratic Party from a single event in history.

So last month Clooney raised $28 million for Biden, but now he wants him to drop out?

Clooney didn’t see Biden’s health issues last month at the fundraiser? Oh, he did, but he didn’t care. Now Biden has been exposed as a senile, narcissistic, elderly man who can’t walk or talk, Clooney is trying to pretend he has morals and ethics. He was happy to raise $28 million for Biden last month!

People around Biden knew he was deteriorating. They were fine with it. The press covered for Biden and the dnc did as well.

Nah.
The LA event was literally right after his return from the G7. If you only see him once, it’s understandable that you would consider it a bad night.
That’s why the week after debate is so telling. If he had done a big press conference the next day, and taken questions and been ok, it could have been fine.
It’s not fine, because he’s not fine.
But this is the first time people outside of the immediate circle could compare his condition and not chalk it up to a one time issue.

I agree somewhat, but people see what they want to see. Biden has had many public flubs, pointed out by MAGA, which pushed us further into denial. Exactly like when we point out Trump's many faults, which pushes his supporters into denial. This partisanship is bad for everyone.

Yes, yes, Trump is worse because he's morally diseased. But Biden is the one showing his age more, and for voters that's something you don't come back from. Democrats WILL lose this election, and downballot, if he doesn't get out of the race. This is 100% certain.

At this point Trump has the Presidency nearly in the bag no matter who Democrats run, because of our collective blindness about Biden's decline and the entirely unethical decisions of his closest aides, wife and possibly son. They shoulder a lot of the blame, because they knew, and tried to hide the worst of it from the public. They need to be publicly excoriated for the damage they've perpetrated, in terms of lost trust.

The only thing Democrats can do now, to salvage what's left, is to run Kamala Harris. She can be consensus candidate and has a glimmer of a chance. No one else has at this point.

Biden isn’t showing his age. His brain cells are dying.

He is fine. Yes slower but he is fine. He is the only one that can beat Trump so everyone better hope he stays in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have a suspension that he had early-stage Parkinson's and it's gotten worse in the last year or so. This was known in Biden's inner circle, with rumors circulating outside of this circle. I also have a feeling that the Parkinson’s expert visiting the White House 8 times in 8 months is a cute way to hide the progression of Parkinson's. Did Biden consult with a Parkinson's physician? No. Did Biden's GP consult with this expert as a "go-between?" Probably.

This is fiction. There is literally no credible evidence of the above. The supposed "Parkinsons doctor" has been the neurology specialist for the White House Medical Unit going back to the Bush administration and made dozens and dozens of visits to the White House before Biden even got elected. By the faulty logic displayed here of "OHH A PARKINSONS DOCTOR VISITED" that means Trump has Parkinsons and so do Obama and Bush. See a problem there? And no, there's no "known in Biden's inner circle" - there's no credible evidence of it. Biden had a full physical in February including being examined by the Parkinsons doctor who concluded Biden DOES NOT HAVE Parkinsons and that is documented in a report and a statement.

I have never seen a credible source document that the parkinsons doc has visited the WH before. Do you have a source to link to?

have you watched this? This doctor specializes in parkinson’s patients and says he see patients everyday just like Joe Biden. NBC rolls tape of Biden doing everything this doctor says parkinson’s patients do as they progress. If you watched it you might change your mind. You aren’t even a little suspicious that a parkinsons doc has been visiting the WH and a parkinson’s doc says without doubt Joe has it? You think the doctor being interviewed is lying?

I think any doctor that goes on TV to talk about someone they have not examined is suspect in terms of ethics and morals and is not to be listened to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t he have to bow out if his donors dry up? You need money to run a successful campaign.

I blame him less than his greedy family-they are the ones leading him to believe he can still win. Sad sad sad!!

No because the donors will not dry up money if he holds out longer. And he can still win.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a suspension that he had early-stage Parkinson's and it's gotten worse in the last year or so. This was known in Biden's inner circle, with rumors circulating outside of this circle. I also have a feeling that the Parkinson’s expert visiting the White House 8 times in 8 months is a cute way to hide the progression of Parkinson's. Did Biden consult with a Parkinson's physician? No. Did Biden's GP consult with this expert as a "go-between?" Probably.

This is fiction. There is literally no credible evidence of the above. The supposed "Parkinsons doctor" has been the neurology specialist for the White House Medical Unit going back to the Bush administration and made dozens and dozens of visits to the White House before Biden even got elected. By the faulty logic displayed here of "OHH A PARKINSONS DOCTOR VISITED" that means Trump has Parkinsons and so do Obama and Bush. See a problem there? And no, there's no "known in Biden's inner circle" - there's no credible evidence of it. Biden had a full physical in February including being examined by the Parkinsons doctor who concluded Biden DOES NOT HAVE Parkinsons and that is documented in a report and a statement.

I have never seen a credible source document that the parkinsons doc has visited the WH before. Do you have a source to link to?

have you watched this? This doctor specializes in parkinson’s patients and says he see patients everyday just like Joe Biden. NBC rolls tape of Biden doing everything this doctor says parkinson’s patients do as they progress. If you watched it you might change your mind. You aren’t even a little suspicious that a parkinsons doc has been visiting the WH and a parkinson’s doc says without doubt Joe has it? You think the doctor being interviewed is lying?

I think any doctor that goes on TV to talk about someone they have not examined is suspect in terms of ethics and morals and is not to be listened to.

He clearly states he has not examined Biden. He’s talking about his field of expertise.

Btw, no media outlet is rolling tape of Trump and having a specialist give his or her opinion of him, but plenty of people here claim they know Trump has dementia and they aren’t doctors, much less doctors that specialize in dementia. The doctor in the clip is very professional and makes a lot of sense. He knows what he’s talking about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t he have to bow out if his donors dry up? You need money to run a successful campaign.

I blame him less than his greedy family-they are the ones leading him to believe he can still win. Sad sad sad!!

No because the donors will not dry up money if he holds out longer. And he can still win.

It's very very doubtful he can win.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:George Clooney expressed beautifully what so many American citizens are thinking about President Biden. Democratic leaders need to pay heed; and MSNBC media types need to quit trying to prop up Biden by spreading lies, misinformation, and accusations when people rightly share their observations relevant to his obvious decline healthwise.

Biden is in trouble in large part because his agenda was influenced by people like . . . George Clooney. They should have listened to Ricky Gervais at the Oscars a few years ago.

Exactly. I met George some years ago. He’s incredibly sweet and accommodating, but a complete pushover. His radical attorney wife is most likely speaking for him.

The fundraiser that Clooney headlined in June 2024 raised $28 million for Biden's reelection campaign, the most for the Democratic Party from a single event in history.

So last month Clooney raised $28 million for Biden, but now he wants him to drop out?

Clooney didn’t see Biden’s health issues last month at the fundraiser? Oh, he did, but he didn’t care. Now Biden has been exposed as a senile, narcissistic, elderly man who can’t walk or talk, Clooney is trying to pretend he has morals and ethics. He was happy to raise $28 million for Biden last month!

People around Biden knew he was deteriorating. They were fine with it. The press covered for Biden and the dnc did as well.

Nah.
The LA event was literally right after his return from the G7. If you only see him once, it’s understandable that you would consider it a bad night.
That’s why the week after debate is so telling. If he had done a big press conference the next day, and taken questions and been ok, it could have been fine.
It’s not fine, because he’s not fine.
But this is the first time people outside of the immediate circle could compare his condition and not chalk it up to a one time issue.

I agree somewhat, but people see what they want to see. Biden has had many public flubs, pointed out by MAGA, which pushed us further into denial. Exactly like when we point out Trump's many faults, which pushes his supporters into denial. This partisanship is bad for everyone.

Yes, yes, Trump is worse because he's morally diseased. But Biden is the one showing his age more, and for voters that's something you don't come back from. Democrats WILL lose this election, and downballot, if he doesn't get out of the race. This is 100% certain.

At this point Trump has the Presidency nearly in the bag no matter who Democrats run, because of our collective blindness about Biden's decline and the entirely unethical decisions of his closest aides, wife and possibly son. They shoulder a lot of the blame, because they knew, and tried to hide the worst of it from the public. They need to be publicly excoriated for the damage they've perpetrated, in terms of lost trust.

The only thing Democrats can do now, to salvage what's left, is to run Kamala Harris. She can be consensus candidate and has a glimmer of a chance. No one else has at this point.

Biden isn’t showing his age. His brain cells are dying.

He is fine. Yes slower but he is fine. He is the only one that can beat Trump so everyone better hope he stays in.

His brain is dying and he’s fine?

How is a human with a dying brain fine?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:George Clooney expressed beautifully what so many American citizens are thinking about President Biden. Democratic leaders need to pay heed; and MSNBC media types need to quit trying to prop up Biden by spreading lies, misinformation, and accusations when people rightly share their observations relevant to his obvious decline healthwise.

Biden is in trouble in large part because his agenda was influenced by people like . . . George Clooney. They should have listened to Ricky Gervais at the Oscars a few years ago.

Exactly. I met George some years ago. He’s incredibly sweet and accommodating, but a complete pushover. His radical attorney wife is most likely speaking for him.

The fundraiser that Clooney headlined in June 2024 raised $28 million for Biden's reelection campaign, the most for the Democratic Party from a single event in history.

So last month Clooney raised $28 million for Biden, but now he wants him to drop out?

Clooney didn’t see Biden’s health issues last month at the fundraiser? Oh, he did, but he didn’t care. Now Biden has been exposed as a senile, narcissistic, elderly man who can’t walk or talk, Clooney is trying to pretend he has morals and ethics. He was happy to raise $28 million for Biden last month!

People around Biden knew he was deteriorating. They were fine with it. The press covered for Biden and the dnc did as well.

Nah.
The LA event was literally right after his return from the G7. If you only see him once, it’s understandable that you would consider it a bad night.
That’s why the week after debate is so telling. If he had done a big press conference the next day, and taken questions and been ok, it could have been fine.
It’s not fine, because he’s not fine.
But this is the first time people outside of the immediate circle could compare his condition and not chalk it up to a one time issue.

I agree somewhat, but people see what they want to see. Biden has had many public flubs, pointed out by MAGA, which pushed us further into denial. Exactly like when we point out Trump's many faults, which pushes his supporters into denial. This partisanship is bad for everyone.

Yes, yes, Trump is worse because he's morally diseased. But Biden is the one showing his age more, and for voters that's something you don't come back from. Democrats WILL lose this election, and downballot, if he doesn't get out of the race. This is 100% certain.

At this point Trump has the Presidency nearly in the bag no matter who Democrats run, because of our collective blindness about Biden's decline and the entirely unethical decisions of his closest aides, wife and possibly son. They shoulder a lot of the blame, because they knew, and tried to hide the worst of it from the public. They need to be publicly excoriated for the damage they've perpetrated, in terms of lost trust.

The only thing Democrats can do now, to salvage what's left, is to run Kamala Harris. She can be consensus candidate and has a glimmer of a chance. No one else has at this point.

Biden isn’t showing his age. His brain cells are dying.

He is fine. Yes slower but he is fine. He is the only one that can beat Trump so everyone better hope he stays in.

You are so wrong.

[Anonymous]

Stage One
During this initial stage, the person has mild symptoms that generally do not interfere with daily activities. Tremor and other movement symptoms occur on one side of the body only. Changes in posture, walking and facial expressions occur.

Parkinson’s affects everyone differently and symptoms can change throughout the course of the disease. Only half of all people with PD will experience tremor, for instance. Though Parkinson's is diagnosed based on primary movement symptoms, it can produce many secondary movement symptoms too.

Types of Secondary Movement Symptoms
Biden-Decreased arm swing when walking.
Difficulty turning over in bed and difficulty getting out of bed, a deep chair, or a car seat.
Biden-Dysarthria (slurring of speech) and hypophonia (soft, sometimes breathy and hoarse, voice).
Dyskinesia, involuntary, erratic writhing movements of the face, arms, legs or trunk.
Dystonia, sustained or repetitive muscle cramping, twisting or tightening.
Biden-Facial masking (hypomimia), a serious or mad facial "masking" appearance, and decreased blink rate.
Biden-Festination – short, rapid steps during walking, done in attempt to keep the center of gravity in between the feet while the trunk leans forward involuntarily and shifts the center of gravity forward. It increases fall risk and is often linked with freezing.
Biden-Freezing, a sensation of being stuck in place, especially when beginning a step, turning or navigating through doorways or other narrow passages. This can also increase risk of falling.
Biden-Masked face (hypomimia): results from the combination of bradykinesia and rigidity.
Micrographia: small, crowded handwriting due to bradykinesia.
Biden-Shuffling gait: accompanied by short steps and often a stooped posture.
Stooped posture, often accompanied by short steps (shuffling gait) and trouble walking.
Biden-Soft speech (hypophonia): soft, sometimes hoarse, voice that can occur in PD.

[Anonymous]

I'm voting for Biden either way. If he does actually have an issue and wasn't just tired, Harris is completely qualified.

Trump has similar issues, plus lack of interest in democracy, so not voting for him no matter what.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm voting for Biden either way. If he does actually have an issue and wasn't just tired, Harris is completely qualified.

Trump has similar issues, plus lack of interest in democracy, so not voting for him no matter what.

Trump has the issues that are listed above? Which ones?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm voting for Biden either way. If he does actually have an issue and wasn't just tired, Harris is completely qualified.

Trump has similar issues, plus lack of interest in democracy, so not voting for him no matter what.

Trump has the issues that are listed above? Which ones?

The whole leaning thing, the coherent sentence thing, the focus on issue thing… the actual work a job thing