What if Biden does not bow out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't read through this entire thread, but how is it not pure fantasy to think that someone else is going to step in at this point and do better. Consider how many governors, senators, etc. have looked great on a paper at one point only to fall flat once they hit the trail. Just ask Ron Desantis how being the hyped up next thing worked out in practice. None of the alternatives being discussed have gone through the difficult work building a national coalition and developing an understanding of regional issues. Kamala is VP, but let's be real, she is not competent and not going to do better.

What about her is not competent? Be specific.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obama calling for Joe to step down

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/obama-tells-allies-biden-needs-reconsider-his-re-election-bid-wapo-reports-2024-07-18/

Geppetto has spoken!

Obama always hated Joe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obama calling for Joe to step down

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/obama-tells-allies-biden-needs-reconsider-his-re-election-bid-wapo-reports-2024-07-18/

Geppetto has spoken!

Obama always hated Joe.

Well, Joe was Obama’s “white DEI” pick

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mark Kelly. Let’s go!

Yes, please! He could get the job done against Trump.

He would be excellent.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is obscene. The time for this conversation was a year ago. The RNC can rally around a twice impeached convicted felon who gutted the DOJ and staged a coup, but our ethical, quite effective president and presumptive nominee is being pushed out weeks before the DNC because he’s getting old.

The media and Dem leadership is doing a good job setting the stage for a Trump win. [/quote]

The democrats recognize that Biden has been a good president. However, the rapid decline of his health simply prevents him from continuing. It's human nature, not a machiavellian plan to push him out.[/quote]

Doesn’t really matter. The chaos at this point and the public discord within the party has been more damaging than Biden staying in the race and having Dems surrogates prosecute the case against Trump. I fear that that Dem leadership has done irreparable damage to the campaign.

Not to mention that Kamala is going to face a lot of the same electability issues that Hilary Clinton did - and make no mistake, it has to be Kamala due to optics and logistics around campaign funds. Beyond her own electability issues, who would her vp be? Nobody who would be an asset (ie newsom) would do it due to their own presidential aspirations. She’ll have to choose someone who brings little to the ticket like Hilary chose plain Kaine. The only people who would do it - like a buttigieg - are bigger liabilities than assets. Sad but true. Kamala is best positioned as the veep on the ticket. I say this as a woman who very much wishes it weren’t true.[/quote]

+100

Thank you for the voice of sanity.

Democrats are walking into a worst-case scenario: Biden lame duck Presidency + Harris trying to duke it out in an open convention floor primary.

These "NextGen" Democrats (aka Gen X backstabbers) have made a mess of everything.

Absent them putting away their knives and rallying behind Biden, the next-best strategy is for [b]Biden to resign so Harris can run as an incumbent. [/b]She will then need to appoint a VP that can get through the House and Senate. [/quote]

It has to be this. Nothing else makes sense. If he’s too old and feeble to run then he’s too old to finish his term. I don’t actually believe he is stricken with anything other than regular old age and he can’t bounce back from regular wear and tear quickly enough, but the optics are such at this point that there’s no other way.

But what should’ve happened was everyone rallying, getting through and then forcing him out after the election. It’s what the Rs would’ve done. I’m sick of trying to be better than them, not when the alternative is Trump and his chaos and cruelty and ego.

If they push him out and we still lose, I’ll blame those who pushed him rather than helped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obama calling for Joe to step down

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/obama-tells-allies-biden-needs-reconsider-his-re-election-bid-wapo-reports-2024-07-18/

Geppetto has spoken!

Obama always hated Joe.

You're out in la-la land. Obama is actively campaigning for Joe.

[Anonymous]

What makes this hard is that it is nearly impossible to pull Biden out of the race, yet leave him as the sitting President for the next six months. So the Dems need to convince him and his grifter family to pack their things and leave the White House today. He would be only the second President in US history to resign from office.

And once the Democrats admit that Biden is too incapacitated to serve, they are admitting that they have been propping him up for God knows how long, and obviously the Vice President was part of it.

So Kamala would become "President Harris" upon Biden's resignation/removal, but the Republican led House would immediately impeach her. for the cover up The House motives would be political, obviously, but there is legitimate reason. Hiding the condition of an incapacitated President in order to maintain power is more serious than the offenses that led to the four impeachments in modern history, Nixon, Clinton, and Trump (twice). (technically Nixon was not impeached). The trial in the Senate will be over what did VP Harris know, and when did she know it. Once Biden admits that he is no longer fit to serve, I don't see how Harris can say that Biden's unfitness just came on in the last few days and she had no idea that he was unfit before the whole world saw it on June 27. And even then, Kamala went on TV and lied that he is fine!

So on top of all her other baggage, Kamala will be a sitting President, yet fending off impeachment, while running for office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't read through this entire thread, but how is it not pure fantasy to think that someone else is going to step in at this point and do better. Consider how many governors, senators, etc. have looked great on a paper at one point only to fall flat once they hit the trail. Just ask Ron Desantis how being the hyped up next thing worked out in practice. None of the alternatives being discussed have gone through the difficult work building a national coalition and developing an understanding of regional issues. Kamala is VP, but let's be real, she is not competent and not going to do better.

Just wait two weeks. We are going to see a new announcement from DNC about new candidate ( and it is not going to be Kamala), and within a week all the cnn/msnbc and other trash polls will be showing this new candidate leading all polls ahead of Trump.

I have no doubt the media hype machine will be behind whoever gets put up 100 percent. But, in today's context, it's important to realize that media hype is not anywhere close to real or effective. People no longer believe it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't read through this entire thread, but how is it not pure fantasy to think that someone else is going to step in at this point and do better. Consider how many governors, senators, etc. have looked great on a paper at one point only to fall flat once they hit the trail. Just ask Ron Desantis how being the hyped up next thing worked out in practice. None of the alternatives being discussed have gone through the difficult work building a national coalition and developing an understanding of regional issues. Kamala is VP, but let's be real, she is not competent and not going to do better.

What about her is not competent? Be specific.

All you have to do is listen to her speak about anything. It is apparent she is not qualified. She seems like a nice person, but not someone who should be running the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't read through this entire thread, but how is it not pure fantasy to think that someone else is going to step in at this point and do better. Consider how many governors, senators, etc. have looked great on a paper at one point only to fall flat once they hit the trail. Just ask Ron Desantis how being the hyped up next thing worked out in practice. None of the alternatives being discussed have gone through the difficult work building a national coalition and developing an understanding of regional issues. Kamala is VP, but let's be real, she is not competent and not going to do better.

What about her is not competent? Be specific.

All you have to do is listen to her speak about anything. It is apparent she is not qualified. She seems like a nice person, but not someone who should be running the country.

DP...that isn't specific.

So you don't like her voice?

Because the actual words are pretty similar to other democrats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What makes this hard is that it is nearly impossible to pull Biden out of the race, yet leave him as the sitting President for the next six months. So the Dems need to convince him and his grifter family to pack their things and leave the White House today. He would be only the second President in US history to resign from office.

And once the Democrats admit that Biden is too incapacitated to serve, they are admitting that they have been propping him up for God knows how long, and obviously the Vice President was part of it.

So Kamala would become "President Harris" upon Biden's resignation/removal, but the Republican led House would immediately impeach her. for the cover up The House motives would be political, obviously, but there is legitimate reason. Hiding the condition of an incapacitated President in order to maintain power is more serious than the offenses that led to the four impeachments in modern history, Nixon, Clinton, and Trump (twice). (technically Nixon was not impeached). The trial in the Senate will be over what did VP Harris know, and when did she know it. Once Biden admits that he is no longer fit to serve, I don't see how Harris can say that Biden's unfitness just came on in the last few days and she had no idea that he was unfit before the whole world saw it on June 27. And even then, Kamala went on TV and lied that he is fine!

So on top of all her other baggage, Kamala will be a sitting President, yet fending off impeachment, while running for office.

No, Reagan's administration would not agree with your assessment. Not sure I would either. For that matter, Trump's administration covered up A LOT of incapacitation or incompetence. That is what an administration is for, or at least one of them.

[Anonymous]

Hillary will be so bitter is Harris wins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hillary will be so bitter is Harris wins.

She might be jealous having someone else be the first female president, but I think she would be thrilled to deny Donald a second term.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How nice of them...

Ain't lawfare grand? Should have seen that coming.