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2) Meghan was never cut out to be an obedient princess. She was/is a nice but ambitious and hard working woman with a vision of what she wants out of life, a clear feeling about what she believes is wrong and right, and an unwillingness to compromise herself entirely for anything or anyone. And in the end, this clashed with the institution and doomed her. She was never going to not fight back. And if you admire that quality overall you support her, and if you think she should have been thanking the gods for landing her a prince and keeping her mouth shut as she enjoyed the trappings of the royal life than you hate her.

Meghan thought that the whole institution of the BRF should be bent to suit her because she's so special. And when it didn't, she cried. She was fighting back against what she perceived as slights, but is in fact just reality: you, Meghan, are NOT as important as Kate, because hierarchy. And this hierarchy will not change based on how fabulous or glamorous or popular you are. That's why they get priceless art and you get IKEA. Both of you live in places you do not own and never will.

I mean I think your read is incredibly oversimplified and reduces her to a caricature of a human being. I think any American introduced so abruptly into the institution would struggle greatly. Kate spend YEARS going through royal training while dating and breaking up with Will to be able to tolerate all the indignities with grace and a smile. She was literally being groomed since childhood for it. All of the british royals are, and they're all pretty screwed up!

Meghan had a difficult time with it but the real difference between her and the rest of them is that she just hadn't been taught to suppress it, smile and not talk about it or show it in any way shape or form no matter what anyone does or says to you. And I say that with EMPATHY for Kate Middleton and Diana Spencer and Camilla and Fergie and Beatrice and Eugenie and Margaret and Anne. It is a brutal world, gilded, but brutal.

But Meghan HAD been offered advice and mentorship on the Windsor way, and she declined. It's not like she was thrown into it headfirst, she chose to dive in despite warnings. Don't you think it's a special kind of arrogance to think you already know all there is to be known, and you know better?

She was thrown in headfirst! This happened over months! Kate went through literal YEARS of blowups, trainings, retreats, breakups, reconciliations, more blowups etc before she was married in. Acting like something that took Kate YEARS to learn was something she could fully understand after a few months, with a MUCH larger press spotlight (Kate went through this before the 24/7 news cycle) is just unfair.

Which is why William advised Harry to slow down. And he didn't listen.

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2) Meghan was never cut out to be an obedient princess. She was/is a nice but ambitious and hard working woman with a vision of what she wants out of life, a clear feeling about what she believes is wrong and right, and an unwillingness to compromise herself entirely for anything or anyone. And in the end, this clashed with the institution and doomed her. She was never going to not fight back. And if you admire that quality overall you support her, and if you think she should have been thanking the gods for landing her a prince and keeping her mouth shut as she enjoyed the trappings of the royal life than you hate her.

Meghan thought that the whole institution of the BRF should be bent to suit her because she's so special. And when it didn't, she cried. She was fighting back against what she perceived as slights, but is in fact just reality: you, Meghan, are NOT as important as Kate, because hierarchy. And this hierarchy will not change based on how fabulous or glamorous or popular you are. That's why they get priceless art and you get IKEA. Both of you live in places you do not own and never will.

I mean I think your read is incredibly oversimplified and reduces her to a caricature of a human being. I think any American introduced so abruptly into the institution would struggle greatly. Kate spend YEARS going through royal training while dating and breaking up with Will to be able to tolerate all the indignities with grace and a smile. She was literally being groomed since childhood for it. All of the british royals are, and they're all pretty screwed up!

Meghan had a difficult time with it but the real difference between her and the rest of them is that she just hadn't been taught to suppress it, smile and not talk about it or show it in any way shape or form no matter what anyone does or says to you. And I say that with EMPATHY for Kate Middleton and Diana Spencer and Camilla and Fergie and Beatrice and Eugenie and Margaret and Anne. It is a brutal world, gilded, but brutal.

But Meghan HAD been offered advice and mentorship on the Windsor way, and she declined. It's not like she was thrown into it headfirst, she chose to dive in despite warnings. Don't you think it's a special kind of arrogance to think you already know all there is to be known, and you know better?

Some of Harry's girlfriends were able to figure out in their early twenties while dating him what life in the RF would be like and decide to not go for it. Meghan was older, wiser, and had just as many resources as her disposal. She planned to do things her way so she had no need for any insights from the RF.

I just don't believe that someone like Meghan - who friendly reporters describe as very thoughtful, always planning, researching, reading and preparing - came to the BRF as tabula rasa. Chances are, she either thought none of that applied to her, or that she'd be invited to revolutionize the place.

I think of myself as pretty knowledgeable just from following them a lot in the last few years and I still fully believe that if thrust into the actual situation I would flounder and make mistakes and be confused/overwhelm and depending on what my fear mechanism is that would display in that moment (fight/flight/freeze) would make decisions that some large percentage of people would think were horrible. Because thinking about it in the abstract and living it are two VERY different things.

The biggest issue K&W had with her was her treatment of staff. That is not something that needs to be learned. You are either an ass or you aren't.

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2) Meghan was never cut out to be an obedient princess. She was/is a nice but ambitious and hard working woman with a vision of what she wants out of life, a clear feeling about what she believes is wrong and right, and an unwillingness to compromise herself entirely for anything or anyone. And in the end, this clashed with the institution and doomed her. She was never going to not fight back. And if you admire that quality overall you support her, and if you think she should have been thanking the gods for landing her a prince and keeping her mouth shut as she enjoyed the trappings of the royal life than you hate her.

Meghan thought that the whole institution of the BRF should be bent to suit her because she's so special. And when it didn't, she cried. She was fighting back against what she perceived as slights, but is in fact just reality: you, Meghan, are NOT as important as Kate, because hierarchy. And this hierarchy will not change based on how fabulous or glamorous or popular you are. That's why they get priceless art and you get IKEA. Both of you live in places you do not own and never will.

I mean I think your read is incredibly oversimplified and reduces her to a caricature of a human being. I think any American introduced so abruptly into the institution would struggle greatly. Kate spend YEARS going through royal training while dating and breaking up with Will to be able to tolerate all the indignities with grace and a smile. She was literally being groomed since childhood for it. All of the british royals are, and they're all pretty screwed up!

Meghan had a difficult time with it but the real difference between her and the rest of them is that she just hadn't been taught to suppress it, smile and not talk about it or show it in any way shape or form no matter what anyone does or says to you. And I say that with EMPATHY for Kate Middleton and Diana Spencer and Camilla and Fergie and Beatrice and Eugenie and Margaret and Anne. It is a brutal world, gilded, but brutal.

But Meghan HAD been offered advice and mentorship on the Windsor way, and she declined. It's not like she was thrown into it headfirst, she chose to dive in despite warnings. Don't you think it's a special kind of arrogance to think you already know all there is to be known, and you know better?

Some of Harry's girlfriends were able to figure out in their early twenties while dating him what life in the RF would be like and decide to not go for it. Meghan was older, wiser, and had just as many resources as her disposal. She planned to do things her way so she had no need for any insights from the RF.

I just don't believe that someone like Meghan - who friendly reporters describe as very thoughtful, always planning, researching, reading and preparing - came to the BRF as tabula rasa. Chances are, she either thought none of that applied to her, or that she'd be invited to revolutionize the place.

I think of myself as pretty knowledgeable just from following them a lot in the last few years and I still fully believe that if thrust into the actual situation I would flounder and make mistakes and be confused/overwhelm and depending on what my fear mechanism is that would display in that moment (fight/flight/freeze) would make decisions that some large percentage of people would think were horrible. Because thinking about it in the abstract and living it are two VERY different things.

......and how does that explain their behavior now?

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Anonymous wrote:The lap of luxury at Princess Anne's house:




Meghan thought she was special. Maybe Disney princess movies really did fry our Millennial brains.....

That looks horrific to me simply because of all the stuff. Tchotchke hell.

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2) Meghan was never cut out to be an obedient princess. She was/is a nice but ambitious and hard working woman with a vision of what she wants out of life, a clear feeling about what she believes is wrong and right, and an unwillingness to compromise herself entirely for anything or anyone. And in the end, this clashed with the institution and doomed her. She was never going to not fight back. And if you admire that quality overall you support her, and if you think she should have been thanking the gods for landing her a prince and keeping her mouth shut as she enjoyed the trappings of the royal life than you hate her.

Meghan thought that the whole institution of the BRF should be bent to suit her because she's so special. And when it didn't, she cried. She was fighting back against what she perceived as slights, but is in fact just reality: you, Meghan, are NOT as important as Kate, because hierarchy. And this hierarchy will not change based on how fabulous or glamorous or popular you are. That's why they get priceless art and you get IKEA. Both of you live in places you do not own and never will.

I mean I think your read is incredibly oversimplified and reduces her to a caricature of a human being. I think any American introduced so abruptly into the institution would struggle greatly. Kate spend YEARS going through royal training while dating and breaking up with Will to be able to tolerate all the indignities with grace and a smile. She was literally being groomed since childhood for it. All of the british royals are, and they're all pretty screwed up!

Meghan had a difficult time with it but the real difference between her and the rest of them is that she just hadn't been taught to suppress it, smile and not talk about it or show it in any way shape or form no matter what anyone does or says to you. And I say that with EMPATHY for Kate Middleton and Diana Spencer and Camilla and Fergie and Beatrice and Eugenie and Margaret and Anne. It is a brutal world, gilded, but brutal.

But Meghan HAD been offered advice and mentorship on the Windsor way, and she declined. It's not like she was thrown into it headfirst, she chose to dive in despite warnings. Don't you think it's a special kind of arrogance to think you already know all there is to be known, and you know better?

She was thrown in headfirst! This happened over months! Kate went through literal YEARS of blowups, trainings, retreats, breakups, reconciliations, more blowups etc before she was married in. Acting like something that took Kate YEARS to learn was something she could fully understand after a few months, with a MUCH larger press spotlight (Kate went through this before the 24/7 news cycle) is just unfair.

You must recognize also kate was groomed for the role. When William switched elitist schools, she switched too. She was groomed as to what to wear, how to act, what to say. So don't act like Kate didnt have a leg up on how this all worked that meghan did not.

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The difference is Kate is British; MM isn't so she has the disadvantages of not getting "it".
Sorta like being a soccer fan verse football. You understand the NFL/,Super Bowl hype/teams, etc and with soccer...eh, nit so much.
And vice versa.

Just culture clash.

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The biggest issue with his book is that it literally puts others' lives at risk.

Not just theirs but their security detail and even moreso, those of anyone attending any events the two of them are at.

If I were a company or non-profit that had partnerned or were otherwise associated with them, I'd be beefing up my security.

Dim Bulb Harry and Meghan have NO IDEA what his book has unleashed. Making a hit on them (or their cohorts) would be a big terrorist goal now, IMO.


“Arabic twitter” was already widely sharing Harry’s “irresponsible” words.

“I’m really not interested in Harry’s personal problems – but his Afghanistan claims are threats to national security,” Nuseibeh tweeted.

The UK’s Ministry of Defence told the Sun it would not comment on Harry’s claims or the possible risks they posed, citing “security reasons.”

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest issue with his book is that it literally puts others' lives at risk.

Not just theirs but their security detail and even moreso, those of anyone attending any events the two of them are at.

If I were a company or non-profit that had partnerned or were otherwise associated with them, I'd be beefing up my security.

Dim Bulb Harry and Meghan have NO IDEA what his book has unleashed. Making a hit on them (or their cohorts) would be a big terrorist goal now, IMO.


“Arabic twitter” was already widely sharing Harry’s “irresponsible” words.

“I’m really not interested in Harry’s personal problems – but his Afghanistan claims are threats to national security,” Nuseibeh tweeted.

The UK’s Ministry of Defence told the Sun it would not comment on Harry’s claims or the possible risks they posed, citing “security reasons.”

^As for "sponsors"not only would I increase security but I'd be looking to bail at the earliest opportunity. Can you imagine a poor women's shelter getting bombed because these two were patrons?

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Anonymous wrote:The lap of luxury at Princess Anne's house:




Meghan thought she was special. Maybe Disney princess movies really did fry our Millennial brains.....

That looks horrific to me simply because of all the stuff. Tchotchke hell.

Ah, you must be familiar with old money wealth. Because this is a classic example of it.

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^^unfamiliar!

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Anonymous wrote:The most vicious revelation is him writing about his father taking his childhood teddy bear everywhere sue to scars from childhood bullying. This is such a private and painful thing to reveal about someone else.

What a tragic end for Harry, I can’t see anyone wanting to keep his company.

It's appalling, I simply can't get over how vicious and petty the details are. Daily Mail has excerpts of the Kate vs. Meghan anecdotes, and they are mind-glowingly stupid. Anger about hugs, lip gloss, children's tights and requests not to be too informal prematurely? I mean wtf.

Amazing how this is mostly coming from the Sussexes, and Meghan really does not come across well at all. Arrogant, abrasive, presumptuous, and definitely jealous.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11606199/Inside-Meghan-Kates-long-standing-feud-fallings-drove-apart.html

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King Charles III just kicked out Prince Andrew.

https://nypost.com/2022/12/23/king-charles-kicks-prince-andrew-out-of-buckingham-palace/



It is mostly incredibly stupid and small, but do we think it's true Meghan paid for the Sussex's Ikea furniture vs. the Wales's lap-of-luxury decor? Very strange!

Meghan had a $1M wardrobe during her 18 months of service so I doubt it. They spent $4M renovating Frogmore and included a personal yoga room and floating floor and she had the designer of SOHO house do the interior decor.

That was not a part of the renovation, and it was 3.2 million, and they repaid it. And maybe that all seems nitpicky but it shows how people change and frame these stories to make her look comically awful.

But the comical awfulness is just from the semantics of the exact cost or the silly reno features. Are they not embarrassed to now be publicly complaining about how small their newlywed home was or how nice William and Catherine's furniture was when they ended up removating their dream home and now live in a mansion.

They were married for 2 minutes and were already comparing and complaining. What an awful way to start a marriage and join a family.

It's also quite bizarre for what amounts to a new employee feeling entitled to anything, much less parity with well-established senior royals.

It isn't Meghan but HARRY who felt entitled to parity, and he should! Andrew gets whatever he wants!

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Anonymous wrote:The lap of luxury at Princess Anne's house:




Meghan thought she was special. Maybe Disney princess movies really did fry our Millennial brains.....

That looks horrific to me simply because of all the stuff. Tchotchke hell.

Ah, you must be familiar with old money wealth. Because this is a classic example of it.

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2) Meghan was never cut out to be an obedient princess. She was/is a nice but ambitious and hard working woman with a vision of what she wants out of life, a clear feeling about what she believes is wrong and right, and an unwillingness to compromise herself entirely for anything or anyone. And in the end, this clashed with the institution and doomed her. She was never going to not fight back. And if you admire that quality overall you support her, and if you think she should have been thanking the gods for landing her a prince and keeping her mouth shut as she enjoyed the trappings of the royal life than you hate her.

Meghan thought that the whole institution of the BRF should be bent to suit her because she's so special. And when it didn't, she cried. She was fighting back against what she perceived as slights, but is in fact just reality: you, Meghan, are NOT as important as Kate, because hierarchy. And this hierarchy will not change based on how fabulous or glamorous or popular you are. That's why they get priceless art and you get IKEA. Both of you live in places you do not own and never will.

I mean I think your read is incredibly oversimplified and reduces her to a caricature of a human being. I think any American introduced so abruptly into the institution would struggle greatly. Kate spend YEARS going through royal training while dating and breaking up with Will to be able to tolerate all the indignities with grace and a smile. She was literally being groomed since childhood for it. All of the british royals are, and they're all pretty screwed up!

Meghan had a difficult time with it but the real difference between her and the rest of them is that she just hadn't been taught to suppress it, smile and not talk about it or show it in any way shape or form no matter what anyone does or says to you. And I say that with EMPATHY for Kate Middleton and Diana Spencer and Camilla and Fergie and Beatrice and Eugenie and Margaret and Anne. It is a brutal world, gilded, but brutal.

But Meghan HAD been offered advice and mentorship on the Windsor way, and she declined. It's not like she was thrown into it headfirst, she chose to dive in despite warnings. Don't you think it's a special kind of arrogance to think you already know all there is to be known, and you know better?

She was thrown in headfirst! This happened over months! Kate went through literal YEARS of blowups, trainings, retreats, breakups, reconciliations, more blowups etc before she was married in. Acting like something that took Kate YEARS to learn was something she could fully understand after a few months, with a MUCH larger press spotlight (Kate went through this before the 24/7 news cycle) is just unfair.

You must recognize also kate was groomed for the role. When William switched elitist schools, she switched too. She was groomed as to what to wear, how to act, what to say. So don't act like Kate didnt have a leg up on how this all worked that meghan did not.

I read this a lot....that she switched to St. Andrews to nab herself a prince. But who on earth groomed and trained her?

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Anonymous wrote:Jealous and disgruntled spares over the history have often killed or tried to kill their heir siblings, he is only ruining him in public opinion.

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Hilarious!

My husband's reaction to the news about the fight was, "They're brothers, of course they have fights. I had worse-sounding fights with my brother and we get along fine."

Mine said the exact same thing -- brothers get in fights, even in their 30s and 40s!

But but but did one of them fall on a dog bowl and feel pain from shards?

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Anonymous wrote:The most vicious revelation is him writing about his father taking his childhood teddy bear everywhere sue to scars from childhood bullying. This is such a private and painful thing to reveal about someone else.

What a tragic end for Harry, I can’t see anyone wanting to keep his company.

It's appalling, I simply can't get over how vicious and petty the details are. Daily Mail has excerpts of the Kate vs. Meghan anecdotes, and they are mind-glowingly stupid. Anger about hugs, lip gloss, children's tights and requests not to be too informal prematurely? I mean wtf.

Amazing how this is mostly coming from the Sussexes, and Meghan really does not come across well at all. Arrogant, abrasive, presumptuous, and definitely jealous.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11606199/Inside-Meghan-Kates-long-standing-feud-fallings-drove-apart.html

It is mostly incredibly stupid and small, but do we think it's true Meghan paid for the Sussex's Ikea furniture vs. the Wales's lap-of-luxury decor? Very strange!

Meghan had a $1M wardrobe during her 18 months of service so I doubt it. They spent $4M renovating Frogmore and included a personal yoga room and floating floor and she had the designer of SOHO house do the interior decor.

That was not a part of the renovation, and it was 3.2 million, and they repaid it. And maybe that all seems nitpicky but it shows how people change and frame these stories to make her look comically awful.

But the comical awfulness is just from the semantics of the exact cost or the silly reno features. Are they not embarrassed to now be publicly complaining about how small their newlywed home was or how nice William and Catherine's furniture was when they ended up removating their dream home and now live in a mansion.

They were married for 2 minutes and were already comparing and complaining. What an awful way to start a marriage and join a family.

This, all day. Absurd, the first take. Beyond absurd.

“Meghan was sooo nice” is belied entirely by her personal history and by standing by in a doe-eyed victim crouch after being the recipient of an absolute fortune, being walked down the aisle by a man not her father, and by the revelations in her dimwit spouse’s book of her nastiness to her sister in law. It’s beyond belief that there are women here claiming that the excerpts substantiate jealousy by Middleton. It’s just crazy and dishonest.