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Anonymous wrote:The most vicious revelation is him writing about his father taking his childhood teddy bear everywhere sue to scars from childhood bullying. This is such a private and painful thing to reveal about someone else.

What a tragic end for Harry, I can’t see anyone wanting to keep his company.



It's appalling, I simply can't get over how vicious and petty the details are. Daily Mail has excerpts of the Kate vs. Meghan anecdotes, and they are mind-glowingly stupid. Anger about hugs, lip gloss, children's tights and requests not to be too informal prematurely? I mean wtf.



Amazing how this is mostly coming from the Sussexes, and Meghan really does not come across well at all. Arrogant, abrasive, presumptuous, and definitely jealous.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11606199/Inside-Meghan-Kates-long-standing-feud-fallings-drove-apart.html






It is mostly incredibly stupid and small, but do we think it's true Meghan paid for the Sussex's Ikea furniture vs. the Wales's lap-of-luxury decor? Very strange!


Meghan had a $1M wardrobe during her 18 months of service so I doubt it. They spent $4M renovating Frogmore and included a personal yoga room and floating floor and she had the designer of SOHO house do the interior decor.


That was not a part of the renovation, and it was 3.2 million, and they repaid it. And maybe that all seems nitpicky but it shows how people change and frame these stories to make her look comically awful.


But the comical awfulness is just from the semantics of the exact cost or the silly reno features. Are they not embarrassed to now be publicly complaining about how small their newlywed home was or how nice William and Catherine's furniture was when they ended up removating their dream home and now live in a mansion.

They were married for 2 minutes and were already comparing and complaining. What an awful way to start a marriage and join a family.






It's also quite bizarre for what amounts to a new employee feeling entitled to anything, much less parity with well-established senior royals.


It isn't Meghan but HARRY who felt entitled to parity, and he should! Andrew gets whatever he wants!



I doubt comparatively Andrew gets a fraction of what his brother gets, and what he does have was "earned" over time precisely because he stayed in the fold and fulfilled his duties, such as they were.




Harry's main gripe seems fundamentally to be that Charles cut him off. So once again there are inconsistencies here.
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Anonymous wrote:The most vicious revelation is him writing about his father taking his childhood teddy bear everywhere sue to scars from childhood bullying. This is such a private and painful thing to reveal about someone else.

What a tragic end for Harry, I can’t see anyone wanting to keep his company.



It's appalling, I simply can't get over how vicious and petty the details are. Daily Mail has excerpts of the Kate vs. Meghan anecdotes, and they are mind-glowingly stupid. Anger about hugs, lip gloss, children's tights and requests not to be too informal prematurely? I mean wtf.



Amazing how this is mostly coming from the Sussexes, and Meghan really does not come across well at all. Arrogant, abrasive, presumptuous, and definitely jealous.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11606199/Inside-Meghan-Kates-long-standing-feud-fallings-drove-apart.html




It is mostly incredibly stupid and small, but do we think it's true Meghan paid for the Sussex's Ikea furniture vs. the Wales's lap-of-luxury decor? Very strange!


Meghan had a $1M wardrobe during her 18 months of service so I doubt it. They spent $4M renovating Frogmore and included a personal yoga room and floating floor and she had the designer of SOHO house do the interior decor.


That was not a part of the renovation, and it was 3.2 million, and they repaid it. And maybe that all seems nitpicky but it shows how people change and frame these stories to make her look comically awful.


But the comical awfulness is just from the semantics of the exact cost or the silly reno features. Are they not embarrassed to now be publicly complaining about how small their newlywed home was or how nice William and Catherine's furniture was when they ended up removating their dream home and now live in a mansion.

They were married for 2 minutes and were already comparing and complaining. What an awful way to start a marriage and join a family.



I mean it is KIND OF semantics. This is what I meant when I said they had just entered a world where things are so different as to be bizarre.

If I was marrying into a family like this and I was put into a 100s year old creaky home (and I am not at ALL surprised to hear that a lot of these properties need expensive substantial renovation, they have been around FOREVER), and watched other royal family members living in the lap of luxury while I was paying for IKEA furniture. I mean that would bother me! Maybe I'm an uppity American but inequity can be really upsetting. Pair that with the press situation and how a lot of their requests were being twisted in the press and yeah I think it was unfair considering the circumstances. I mean its all like, I think it takes two to tango (or in this case 15). In the end likely all of them had really bad moments and all of them had decent and kind moments. We will never really know who behaved worse, but I believe the stories about Rose Chumley so maybe that tarnishes my opinion.


Except it wasn't unequal. William and Catherine lived in the same 100 year old creaky home for a few years before Harry (and later Meghan) moved into it. It was already furnished. Harry and Meghan both have money, (much of Harry's a paycheck from his father) and could have bought furniture from anywhere - no need to go to Ikea at all. There was nothing unfair. And you are happy to believe unfounded rumours about William but feel anything about Harry is twisted and unfair?
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Anonymous wrote:The most vicious revelation is him writing about his father taking his childhood teddy bear everywhere sue to scars from childhood bullying. This is such a private and painful thing to reveal about someone else.

What a tragic end for Harry, I can’t see anyone wanting to keep his company.



It's appalling, I simply can't get over how vicious and petty the details are. Daily Mail has excerpts of the Kate vs. Meghan anecdotes, and they are mind-glowingly stupid. Anger about hugs, lip gloss, children's tights and requests not to be too informal prematurely? I mean wtf.



Amazing how this is mostly coming from the Sussexes, and Meghan really does not come across well at all. Arrogant, abrasive, presumptuous, and definitely jealous.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11606199/Inside-Meghan-Kates-long-standing-feud-fallings-drove-apart.html






It is mostly incredibly stupid and small, but do we think it's true Meghan paid for the Sussex's Ikea furniture vs. the Wales's lap-of-luxury decor? Very strange!


Meghan had a $1M wardrobe during her 18 months of service so I doubt it. They spent $4M renovating Frogmore and included a personal yoga room and floating floor and she had the designer of SOHO house do the interior decor.


That was not a part of the renovation, and it was 3.2 million, and they repaid it. And maybe that all seems nitpicky but it shows how people change and frame these stories to make her look comically awful.


But the comical awfulness is just from the semantics of the exact cost or the silly reno features. Are they not embarrassed to now be publicly complaining about how small their newlywed home was or how nice William and Catherine's furniture was when they ended up removating their dream home and now live in a mansion.

They were married for 2 minutes and were already comparing and complaining. What an awful way to start a marriage and join a family.






It's also quite bizarre for what amounts to a new employee feeling entitled to anything, much less parity with well-established senior royals.


It isn't Meghan but HARRY who felt entitled to parity, and he should! Andrew gets whatever he wants!



I doubt comparatively Andrew gets a fraction of what his brother gets, and what he does have was "earned" over time precisely because he stayed in the fold and fulfilled his duties, such as they were.




Harry's main gripe seems fundamentally to be that Charles cut him off. So once again there are inconsistencies here.


I feel like only people from functional families can read this that way. CLEARLY money is used as a coercive weapon in the family. ALL of them use it against one another. Which is why the financial independence that M/H have sought and acquired is so INCREDIBLY threatening.
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Anonymous wrote:The most vicious revelation is him writing about his father taking his childhood teddy bear everywhere sue to scars from childhood bullying. This is such a private and painful thing to reveal about someone else.

What a tragic end for Harry, I can’t see anyone wanting to keep his company.



It's appalling, I simply can't get over how vicious and petty the details are. Daily Mail has excerpts of the Kate vs. Meghan anecdotes, and they are mind-glowingly stupid. Anger about hugs, lip gloss, children's tights and requests not to be too informal prematurely? I mean wtf.



Amazing how this is mostly coming from the Sussexes, and Meghan really does not come across well at all. Arrogant, abrasive, presumptuous, and definitely jealous.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11606199/Inside-Meghan-Kates-long-standing-feud-fallings-drove-apart.html




It is mostly incredibly stupid and small, but do we think it's true Meghan paid for the Sussex's Ikea furniture vs. the Wales's lap-of-luxury decor? Very strange!


Meghan had a $1M wardrobe during her 18 months of service so I doubt it. They spent $4M renovating Frogmore and included a personal yoga room and floating floor and she had the designer of SOHO house do the interior decor.


That was not a part of the renovation, and it was 3.2 million, and they repaid it. And maybe that all seems nitpicky but it shows how people change and frame these stories to make her look comically awful.


But the comical awfulness is just from the semantics of the exact cost or the silly reno features. Are they not embarrassed to now be publicly complaining about how small their newlywed home was or how nice William and Catherine's furniture was when they ended up removating their dream home and now live in a mansion.

They were married for 2 minutes and were already comparing and complaining. What an awful way to start a marriage and join a family.



I mean it is KIND OF semantics. This is what I meant when I said they had just entered a world where things are so different as to be bizarre.

If I was marrying into a family like this and I was put into a 100s year old creaky home (and I am not at ALL surprised to hear that a lot of these properties need expensive substantial renovation, they have been around FOREVER), and watched other royal family members living in the lap of luxury while I was paying for IKEA furniture. I mean that would bother me! Maybe I'm an uppity American but inequity can be really upsetting. Pair that with the press situation and how a lot of their requests were being twisted in the press and yeah I think it was unfair considering the circumstances. I mean its all like, I think it takes two to tango (or in this case 15). In the end likely all of them had really bad moments and all of them had decent and kind moments. We will never really know who behaved worse, but I believe the stories about Rose Chumley so maybe that tarnishes my opinion.


Except it wasn't unequal. William and Catherine lived in the same 100 year old creaky home for a few years before Harry (and later Meghan) moved into it. It was already furnished. Harry and Meghan both have money, (much of Harry's a paycheck from his father) and could have bought furniture from anywhere - no need to go to Ikea at all. There was nothing unfair. And you are happy to believe unfounded rumours about William but feel anything about Harry is twisted and unfair?


I don't think the rumors about William are unfounded. I think its pretty clear they were squashed. And I do not think Harry is perfect of blameless. But I do think he is telling the truth of his perceptions.
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Anonymous wrote:The most vicious revelation is him writing about his father taking his childhood teddy bear everywhere sue to scars from childhood bullying. This is such a private and painful thing to reveal about someone else.

What a tragic end for Harry, I can’t see anyone wanting to keep his company.



It's appalling, I simply can't get over how vicious and petty the details are. Daily Mail has excerpts of the Kate vs. Meghan anecdotes, and they are mind-glowingly stupid. Anger about hugs, lip gloss, children's tights and requests not to be too informal prematurely? I mean wtf.



Amazing how this is mostly coming from the Sussexes, and Meghan really does not come across well at all. Arrogant, abrasive, presumptuous, and definitely jealous.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11606199/Inside-Meghan-Kates-long-standing-feud-fallings-drove-apart.html


It is mostly incredibly stupid and small, but do we think it's true Meghan paid for the Sussex's Ikea furniture vs. the Wales's lap-of-luxury decor? Very strange!


Meghan had a $1M wardrobe during her 18 months of service so I doubt it. They spent $4M renovating Frogmore and included a personal yoga room and floating floor and she had the designer of SOHO house do the interior decor.


That was not a part of the renovation, and it was 3.2 million, and they repaid it. And maybe that all seems nitpicky but it shows how people change and frame these stories to make her look comically awful.


But the comical awfulness is just from the semantics of the exact cost or the silly reno features. Are they not embarrassed to now be publicly complaining about how small their newlywed home was or how nice William and Catherine's furniture was when they ended up removating their dream home and now live in a mansion.

They were married for 2 minutes and were already comparing and complaining. What an awful way to start a marriage and join a family.



I mean it is KIND OF semantics. This is what I meant when I said they had just entered a world where things are so different as to be bizarre.

If I was marrying into a family like this and I was put into a 100s year old creaky home (and I am not at ALL surprised to hear that a lot of these properties need expensive substantial renovation, they have been around FOREVER), and watched other royal family members living in the lap of luxury while I was paying for IKEA furniture. I mean that would bother me! Maybe I'm an uppity American but inequity can be really upsetting. Pair that with the press situation and how a lot of their requests were being twisted in the press and yeah I think it was unfair considering the circumstances. I mean its all like, I think it takes two to tango (or in this case 15). In the end likely all of them had really bad moments and all of them had decent and kind moments. We will never really know who behaved worse, but I believe the stories about Rose Chumley so maybe that tarnishes my opinion.


Except it wasn't unequal. William and Catherine lived in the same 100 year old creaky home for a few years before Harry (and later Meghan) moved into it. It was already furnished. Harry and Meghan both have money, (much of Harry's a paycheck from his father) and could have bought furniture from anywhere - no need to go to Ikea at all. There was nothing unfair. And you are happy to believe unfounded rumours about William but feel anything about Harry is twisted and unfair?


I don't think the rumors about William are unfounded. I think its pretty clear they were squashed. And I do not think Harry is perfect of blameless. But I do think he is telling the truth of his perceptions.


They are unfounded because there is no evidence, only rumours. Believing rumours doesn't make them founded! Most people tell their perception but someone should let him know that being so upset that your brother had the bigger room when you were kids or what your sister in law wouldn't share lip gloss with your wife aren't things you need to write a book about in mid life. His truth is that he is a perpetual victim and so everything is written from that perspective. It doesn't make any of it factual or truthful, just how he sees it.
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2) Meghan was never cut out to be an obedient princess. She was/is a nice but ambitious and hard working woman with a vision of what she wants out of life, a clear feeling about what she believes is wrong and right, and an unwillingness to compromise herself entirely for anything or anyone. And in the end, this clashed with the institution and doomed her. She was never going to not fight back. And if you admire that quality overall you support her, and if you think she should have been thanking the gods for landing her a prince and keeping her mouth shut as she enjoyed the trappings of the royal life than you hate her.


Meghan thought that the whole institution of the BRF should be bent to suit her because she's so special. And when it didn't, she cried. She was fighting back against what she perceived as slights, but is in fact just reality: you, Meghan, are NOT as important as Kate, because hierarchy. And this hierarchy will not change based on how fabulous or glamorous or popular you are. That's why they get priceless art and you get IKEA. Both of you live in places you do not own and never will.


I don't get why this was so hard for her to understand.

Joe Biden is more important than Kamala Harris because hierarchy - hierarchy in politics.
Meryl Streep is more important than Meghan Markle because hierarchy - hierarchy in Hollywood.

But its even more black and white in the BRF. Why did she think people curtsied to the Queen? Because she was a sweet little old lady? It blows my mind that it never occurred to her that she would be curtsying to her FIL and BIL one day.


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2) Meghan was never cut out to be an obedient princess. She was/is a nice but ambitious and hard working woman with a vision of what she wants out of life, a clear feeling about what she believes is wrong and right, and an unwillingness to compromise herself entirely for anything or anyone. And in the end, this clashed with the institution and doomed her. She was never going to not fight back. And if you admire that quality overall you support her, and if you think she should have been thanking the gods for landing her a prince and keeping her mouth shut as she enjoyed the trappings of the royal life than you hate her.


Meghan thought that the whole institution of the BRF should be bent to suit her because she's so special. And when it didn't, she cried. She was fighting back against what she perceived as slights, but is in fact just reality: you, Meghan, are NOT as important as Kate, because hierarchy. And this hierarchy will not change based on how fabulous or glamorous or popular you are. That's why they get priceless art and you get IKEA. Both of you live in places you do not own and never will.


I mean I think your read is incredibly oversimplified and reduces her to a caricature of a human being. I think any American introduced so abruptly into the institution would struggle greatly. Kate spend YEARS going through royal training while dating and breaking up with Will to be able to tolerate all the indignities with grace and a smile. She was literally being groomed since childhood for it. All of the british royals are, and they're all pretty screwed up!

Meghan had a difficult time with it but the real difference between her and the rest of them is that she just hadn't been taught to suppress it, smile and not talk about it or show it in any way shape or form no matter what anyone does or says to you.
And I say that with EMPATHY for Kate Middleton and Diana Spencer and Camilla and Fergie and Beatrice and Eugenie and Margaret and Anne. It is a brutal world, gilded, but brutal.


But Meghan HAD been offered advice and mentorship on the Windsor way, and she declined. It's not like she was thrown into it headfirst, she chose to dive in despite warnings. Don't you think it's a special kind of arrogance to think you already know all there is to be known, and you know better?
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Anonymous wrote:The most vicious revelation is him writing about his father taking his childhood teddy bear everywhere sue to scars from childhood bullying. This is such a private and painful thing to reveal about someone else.

What a tragic end for Harry, I can’t see anyone wanting to keep his company.



It's appalling, I simply can't get over how vicious and petty the details are. Daily Mail has excerpts of the Kate vs. Meghan anecdotes, and they are mind-glowingly stupid. Anger about hugs, lip gloss, children's tights and requests not to be too informal prematurely? I mean wtf.



Amazing how this is mostly coming from the Sussexes, and Meghan really does not come across well at all. Arrogant, abrasive, presumptuous, and definitely jealous.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11606199/Inside-Meghan-Kates-long-standing-feud-fallings-drove-apart.html




It is mostly incredibly stupid and small, but do we think it's true Meghan paid for the Sussex's Ikea furniture vs. the Wales's lap-of-luxury decor? Very strange!


Meghan had a $1M wardrobe during her 18 months of service so I doubt it. They spent $4M renovating Frogmore and included a personal yoga room and floating floor and she had the designer of SOHO house do the interior decor.


That was not a part of the renovation, and it was 3.2 million, and they repaid it. And maybe that all seems nitpicky but it shows how people change and frame these stories to make her look comically awful.


But the comical awfulness is just from the semantics of the exact cost or the silly reno features. Are they not embarrassed to now be publicly complaining about how small their newlywed home was or how nice William and Catherine's furniture was when they ended up removating their dream home and now live in a mansion.

They were married for 2 minutes and were already comparing and complaining. What an awful way to start a marriage and join a family.






It's also quite bizarre for what amounts to a new employee feeling entitled to anything, much less parity with well-established senior royals.


It isn't Meghan but HARRY who felt entitled to parity, and he should! Andrew gets whatever he wants!

Andrew was the Queen’s son. Harry was only the grandson. Peter Phillips had to hawk his wedding pictures to tabloids because his family declined to pay for a grand wedding.
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2) Meghan was never cut out to be an obedient princess. She was/is a nice but ambitious and hard working woman with a vision of what she wants out of life, a clear feeling about what she believes is wrong and right, and an unwillingness to compromise herself entirely for anything or anyone. And in the end, this clashed with the institution and doomed her. She was never going to not fight back. And if you admire that quality overall you support her, and if you think she should have been thanking the gods for landing her a prince and keeping her mouth shut as she enjoyed the trappings of the royal life than you hate her.


Meghan thought that the whole institution of the BRF should be bent to suit her because she's so special. And when it didn't, she cried. She was fighting back against what she perceived as slights, but is in fact just reality: you, Meghan, are NOT as important as Kate, because hierarchy. And this hierarchy will not change based on how fabulous or glamorous or popular you are. That's why they get priceless art and you get IKEA. Both of you live in places you do not own and never will.


I mean I think your read is incredibly oversimplified and reduces her to a caricature of a human being. I think any American introduced so abruptly into the institution would struggle greatly. Kate spend YEARS going through royal training while dating and breaking up with Will to be able to tolerate all the indignities with grace and a smile. She was literally being groomed since childhood for it. All of the british royals are, and they're all pretty screwed up!

Meghan had a difficult time with it but the real difference between her and the rest of them is that she just hadn't been taught to suppress it, smile and not talk about it or show it in any way shape or form no matter what anyone does or says to you.
And I say that with EMPATHY for Kate Middleton and Diana Spencer and Camilla and Fergie and Beatrice and Eugenie and Margaret and Anne. It is a brutal world, gilded, but brutal.


But Meghan HAD been offered advice and mentorship on the Windsor way, and she declined. It's not like she was thrown into it headfirst, she chose to dive in despite warnings. Don't you think it's a special kind of arrogance to think you already know all there is to be known, and you know better?


Some of Harry's girlfriends were able to figure out in their early twenties while dating him what life in the RF would be like and decide to not go for it. Meghan was older, wiser, and had just as many resources as her disposal. She planned to do things her way so she had no need for any insights from the RF.
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Anonymous wrote:I think the reaction to this and them specifically is all very interesting. I just reread the article from The Cut, since it was referenced here as 'unflattering' to Meghan. And I thought this exerpt actually kind of sums up the whole issue.

Or maybe it’s because by the time she met and married Harry, she was already a fully formed American woman: self-made, self-refined. She had desires and goals and a fan base. And while she was a fine actress, the job she is best at is envisioning a life for herself and getting it. That specific type of very American ambition just isn’t really compatible with being a princess.


The article I did not think was unflattering, it was just...accurate. I think they are the type of comically wealthy and privleged that they come off strange and stilted to normal people. And I think they have both endured a level of scrutiny and intentional tarring and feathering from the press that they have become intensely guarded and fearful about how they present themselves and as such DO have an overly curated vibe when presented with outsiders. I also think they are both extremely cheesy people, like the couple on instagram you know that makes you want to vom a little bit and that that side of them turns people off. But I know plenty of people that journaled and photographed their 'love stories' and their kids and etc etc etc and it is just who they are. Very cheesy, but not really vindictive or hurting anyone.

I think it is accurate to say that M/H have lived a very intense few years. Under an extreme amount of scrutiny and negative press and both have, in the process, become estranged from their families of birth. And I think how people react to that is probably mostly our own baggage. Many many celebrities will point to losing contact with relatives who changed and became greedy in the face of their relation obtaining fame and fortune. Meghan's story is not particularly unique there. And many many words have been written about the oppressive side to living in the British monarchy. But generally I think people are attracted to stories of great endurance. Endurance is seen as a virtue. Someone who sticks by the troubled family despite hardship is loyal. Anyone who walks away from family must be selfish/greedy/whatever. And in reality these are deeply personal and difficult situations. In my house growing up there was also a rule that 'what happens in the family stays in the family' and spoiler alert, that is not actually virtuous, it is a GIANT red flag about abuse. People can be very wealthy, and be very abusive.

I think at the end of the day it comes down to three essential truths

1) Harry has hated the press his entire life, and it is clearly a deep wound deep in his soul, and his family has not protected him from the press and in fact, in his moment of greatest need, they asked him to take one for the team and threw him to the dogs themselves, and that has created a wedge that will likely never be removed

2) Meghan was never cut out to be an obedient princess. She was/is a nice but ambitious and hard working woman with a vision of what she wants out of life, a clear feeling about what she believes is wrong and right, and an unwillingness to compromise herself entirely for anything or anyone. And in the end, this clashed with the institution and doomed her. She was never going to not fight back. And if you admire that quality overall you support her, and if you think she should have been thanking the gods for landing her a prince and keeping her mouth shut as she enjoyed the trappings of the royal life than you hate her.

3) Both have been in the public eye and famous for a very long time. Their existence requires income, and substantial income, to adequately protect their family. Meghan has been moving towards a goal of being famous for her entire adult life, and Harry has been taught since birth that he owes the world a life of service in response to the bounty he was born into. That doesn't make them inherently bad, but it does make it very not surprising that they are not fading into obscurity like wallflowers but simply building a business and life that meets those goals in their own way.

Love them or hate them, they have decided to free themselves of being in the control of others and will accept the judgements we lay at them while trying to fund their lives and do good where they can. And they will continue to get incredible amounts of hate and vitriol and admiration and love regardless. I for one wish them well, even if they have gotten so famous that they are now probably just a little bit weird as a result.

And I haven't read any negative stories about them since they've been in America personally, so I think a lot of that stuff is just rag gossip.

As for William and Kate, I understand Kate not being open with her at first, she has been in the institution since she was a teen and trusts no one unless they have earned it. And I understand how an American not knowing how all this worked would find her rude and cold and off putting and not understand any of that and have that lead to incredibly hurtful and deep misunderstandings that go both ways. And I can see Kate being extremely jealous and bitter of Meghan's refusal to accept indignities that Kate has accepted (that is not a criticism of Kate BTW).

And I think William is a rage a holic who has let the crown go, so to speak, to his head. I think he cheated on Kate, and I think he has been jealous of Harry's beloved status, and I think he is egotistical. And I think that is likely an inevitable state of being the heir. I imagine he both embraces and resents it. I hope they both (K/W) have found peace with it all.


Your last paragraph gives you away.


As thinking William is the worst actor here? Ok haha. You got me!


You are alone in that.
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Meghan thought she was special. Maybe Disney princess movies really did fry our Millennial brains.....
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2) Meghan was never cut out to be an obedient princess. She was/is a nice but ambitious and hard working woman with a vision of what she wants out of life, a clear feeling about what she believes is wrong and right, and an unwillingness to compromise herself entirely for anything or anyone. And in the end, this clashed with the institution and doomed her. She was never going to not fight back. And if you admire that quality overall you support her, and if you think she should have been thanking the gods for landing her a prince and keeping her mouth shut as she enjoyed the trappings of the royal life than you hate her.


Meghan thought that the whole institution of the BRF should be bent to suit her because she's so special. And when it didn't, she cried. She was fighting back against what she perceived as slights, but is in fact just reality: you, Meghan, are NOT as important as Kate, because hierarchy. And this hierarchy will not change based on how fabulous or glamorous or popular you are. That's why they get priceless art and you get IKEA. Both of you live in places you do not own and never will.


I mean I think your read is incredibly oversimplified and reduces her to a caricature of a human being. I think any American introduced so abruptly into the institution would struggle greatly. Kate spend YEARS going through royal training while dating and breaking up with Will to be able to tolerate all the indignities with grace and a smile. She was literally being groomed since childhood for it. All of the british royals are, and they're all pretty screwed up!

Meghan had a difficult time with it but the real difference between her and the rest of them is that she just hadn't been taught to suppress it, smile and not talk about it or show it in any way shape or form no matter what anyone does or says to you.
And I say that with EMPATHY for Kate Middleton and Diana Spencer and Camilla and Fergie and Beatrice and Eugenie and Margaret and Anne. It is a brutal world, gilded, but brutal.


But Meghan HAD been offered advice and mentorship on the Windsor way, and she declined. It's not like she was thrown into it headfirst, she chose to dive in despite warnings. Don't you think it's a special kind of arrogance to think you already know all there is to be known, and you know better?


Some of Harry's girlfriends were able to figure out in their early twenties while dating him what life in the RF would be like and decide to not go for it. Meghan was older, wiser, and had just as many resources as her disposal. She planned to do things her way so she had no need for any insights from the RF.


I just don't believe that someone like Meghan - who friendly reporters describe as very thoughtful, always planning, researching, reading and preparing - came to the BRF as tabula rasa. Chances are, she either thought none of that applied to her, or that she'd be invited to revolutionize the place.
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2) Meghan was never cut out to be an obedient princess. She was/is a nice but ambitious and hard working woman with a vision of what she wants out of life, a clear feeling about what she believes is wrong and right, and an unwillingness to compromise herself entirely for anything or anyone. And in the end, this clashed with the institution and doomed her. She was never going to not fight back. And if you admire that quality overall you support her, and if you think she should have been thanking the gods for landing her a prince and keeping her mouth shut as she enjoyed the trappings of the royal life than you hate her.


Meghan thought that the whole institution of the BRF should be bent to suit her because she's so special. And when it didn't, she cried. She was fighting back against what she perceived as slights, but is in fact just reality: you, Meghan, are NOT as important as Kate, because hierarchy. And this hierarchy will not change based on how fabulous or glamorous or popular you are. That's why they get priceless art and you get IKEA. Both of you live in places you do not own and never will.


I mean I think your read is incredibly oversimplified and reduces her to a caricature of a human being. I think any American introduced so abruptly into the institution would struggle greatly. Kate spend YEARS going through royal training while dating and breaking up with Will to be able to tolerate all the indignities with grace and a smile. She was literally being groomed since childhood for it. All of the british royals are, and they're all pretty screwed up!

Meghan had a difficult time with it but the real difference between her and the rest of them is that she just hadn't been taught to suppress it, smile and not talk about it or show it in any way shape or form no matter what anyone does or says to you.
And I say that with EMPATHY for Kate Middleton and Diana Spencer and Camilla and Fergie and Beatrice and Eugenie and Margaret and Anne. It is a brutal world, gilded, but brutal.


But Meghan HAD been offered advice and mentorship on the Windsor way, and she declined. It's not like she was thrown into it headfirst, she chose to dive in despite warnings. Don't you think it's a special kind of arrogance to think you already know all there is to be known, and you know better?


She was thrown in headfirst! This happened over months! Kate went through literal YEARS of blowups, trainings, retreats, breakups, reconciliations, more blowups etc before she was married in. Acting like something that took Kate YEARS to learn was something she could fully understand after a few months, with a MUCH larger press spotlight (Kate went through this before the 24/7 news cycle) is just unfair.
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2) Meghan was never cut out to be an obedient princess. She was/is a nice but ambitious and hard working woman with a vision of what she wants out of life, a clear feeling about what she believes is wrong and right, and an unwillingness to compromise herself entirely for anything or anyone. And in the end, this clashed with the institution and doomed her. She was never going to not fight back. And if you admire that quality overall you support her, and if you think she should have been thanking the gods for landing her a prince and keeping her mouth shut as she enjoyed the trappings of the royal life than you hate her.


Meghan thought that the whole institution of the BRF should be bent to suit her because she's so special. And when it didn't, she cried. She was fighting back against what she perceived as slights, but is in fact just reality: you, Meghan, are NOT as important as Kate, because hierarchy. And this hierarchy will not change based on how fabulous or glamorous or popular you are. That's why they get priceless art and you get IKEA. Both of you live in places you do not own and never will.


I mean I think your read is incredibly oversimplified and reduces her to a caricature of a human being. I think any American introduced so abruptly into the institution would struggle greatly. Kate spend YEARS going through royal training while dating and breaking up with Will to be able to tolerate all the indignities with grace and a smile. She was literally being groomed since childhood for it. All of the british royals are, and they're all pretty screwed up!

Meghan had a difficult time with it but the real difference between her and the rest of them is that she just hadn't been taught to suppress it, smile and not talk about it or show it in any way shape or form no matter what anyone does or says to you.
And I say that with EMPATHY for Kate Middleton and Diana Spencer and Camilla and Fergie and Beatrice and Eugenie and Margaret and Anne. It is a brutal world, gilded, but brutal.


But Meghan HAD been offered advice and mentorship on the Windsor way, and she declined. It's not like she was thrown into it headfirst, she chose to dive in despite warnings. Don't you think it's a special kind of arrogance to think you already know all there is to be known, and you know better?


Some of Harry's girlfriends were able to figure out in their early twenties while dating him what life in the RF would be like and decide to not go for it. Meghan was older, wiser, and had just as many resources as her disposal. She planned to do things her way so she had no need for any insights from the RF.


I just don't believe that someone like Meghan - who friendly reporters describe as very thoughtful, always planning, researching, reading and preparing - came to the BRF as tabula rasa. Chances are, she either thought none of that applied to her, or that she'd be invited to revolutionize the place.


I think of myself as pretty knowledgeable just from following them a lot in the last few years and I still fully believe that if thrust into the actual situation I would flounder and make mistakes and be confused/overwhelm and depending on what my fear mechanism is that would display in that moment (fight/flight/freeze) would make decisions that some large percentage of people would think were horrible. Because thinking about it in the abstract and living it are two VERY different things.
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I doubt comparatively Andrew gets a fraction of what his brother gets, and what he does have was "earned" over time precisely because he stayed in the fold and fulfilled his duties, such as they were.


The media coverage of him being a PEDOPHILE disappeared real quickly didn't it? And still he and his ex wife live on royal property. What the heck does the divorcee Fergie do for the royal family to justify maintianing living off the tax payer dollar on royal property?
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