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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/08/harrys-book-end-of-monarchy-royal-biographer


Good points in this piece; the British royal family has been a hot mess for the last 30 years and it’s only getting worse not better. Meghan’s and Harry’s marriage could have gone a long way to improve the standing of the family but instead has highlighted inequality in British society because the family mirrors the nation. Now that Liz II is gone and the generations who revered her most are quickly following her to the grave, I predict a resurgence of republicanism in the UK and more and more countries bowing out of the Commonwealth in the years ahead. Of course the notion of monarchy in the modern world is a sickening anachronism so the sooner it is abolished, the better for all involved. Millions of people will still visit the UK, it’s beautiful, the people are lovely and there is much of historical significance to see even if the royals are all gone - France has no problem attracting tourists, after all.

I hope William is never a king.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

Of course he didn't want to "change the birth order." God, I don't think he envies William in any way and barely tolerated his royal duties, given what happened to his mother. And after finding other things that gave him more happiness: his military service, his philanthropies, and now his wife/kids. He absolutely expected his brother and father to protect his family and they didn't, going as far to remove their security detail once they decided to step away. Were they entitled to pull it back? Sure. But it makes them look petty and vindictive, and left them open to security breaches. Jesus, Tyler Perry had to step in to help them when their own family couldn't be magnanimous enough to keep them safe. It's absolutely grotesque.

While there are not doubt different recollections on the two sides re: some of the details, I 100000% believe Harry and Meghan. There are plenty of examples of hideous behavior by the Royal family to know what they are saying is true. Good for them for stepping away. Protecting their family. And of not longer sitting back and being the punching bags and telling their side.

H&M could have stayed in England (even as non-working Royals) and lived at Frogmore House and had security. They chose to move to the US, out of the jurisdiction of the British government. If they didn’t think through the consequences of that, that’s on them. They said they wanted to be independent and make their own way (except for the titles, and the police protection, and the Royal family sticking up for them in the press…). Choices have consequences.

Well, they're making more money now than in Britain. So, yeah! You're right, choices have consequences .

Security alone was worth more than they have made by cashing in all their cards.

Yet at some point, had they stayed, their financial well-being, possibly where they lived, and legal custody of their children would have been in William’s hands. That’s reason enough for leaving while they still had multiple options for making money — and possibly better options for the well-being of their kids.

This nonsense was floated as a justification for Meghan to take Archie and run. It was nonsense then and it's nonsense now.

Also, Beatrice and Eugenie may not have everything they desire but they are doing just fine. "Better option for the well-being of their kids"? Being raised as the idle rich in California is healthier for them than being raised in England among family? I suppose anything is possible.

Blood does not make one family. Blood relatives can be toxic. Sometimes it’s best to disconnect and make your own family. Isn’t that’s what is touted in the relationship section of DCUM and self-help forums.

Your entire family on all sides except for one mother?

Well most people only have one mother, so there’s that. She is very close to her niece from her father’s side. The niece was in the Netflix documentary. The institution would not allow or highly discouraged Meghan to disinvite the niece because Meghan would not invite Samantha, the niece’s bio-mom. And Meghan’s mom was raised an only child, so I guess there are no cousins to speak of from that side. That’s not uncommon for onlies who then only have an onlie.

How do we know this to be true? Because Meghan said so? She has lied before so why should we believe her?

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Anonymous wrote:In time I predict Harry will write a tell all about Meghan and how she controlled and manipulated him causing him to lose his family and everything important to him. What is with Tyler Perry, who they barely know, being their daughter’s Godfather? Do they have zero friends or family that they get along with?

Are you one of the many posters from 2018, predicting a divorce in two-years. Sorry your two years is long gone.

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Good points in this piece; the British royal family has been a hot mess for the last 30 years and it’s only getting worse not better. Meghan’s and Harry’s marriage could have gone a long way to improve the standing of the family but instead has highlighted inequality in British society because the family mirrors the nation. Now that Liz II is gone and the generations who revered her most are quickly following her to the grave, I predict a resurgence of republicanism in the UK and more and more countries bowing out of the Commonwealth in the years ahead. Of course the notion of monarchy in the modern world is a sickening anachronism so the sooner it is abolished, the better for all involved. Millions of people will still visit the UK, it’s beautiful, the people are lovely and there is much of historical significance to see even if the royals are all gone - France has no problem attracting tourists, after all.

I hope William is never a king.

Harry and Meghan could have done nothing to get rid of inequality.

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Anonymous wrote:The royal life sounds perfectly ghastly, which is why Chelsy and Cressida had the good sense to run away.

Chelsy and Cressida are rich heiresses, they had better options. It was not the Royal life, it was Harrold, he was an ass to both women.

IDK. Will also was keen to marry a blonde aristochick and dumped Kate multiple times to try to get with them, but they didn't want a Royal life and yes, had other options. Both boys were basically going to have to marry commoners who viewed the marriage as a big step up. I don't see Harrold as being an ass unless you apply the same to William who was roundly rejected.

He finally "did the right thing" after being told to shit or get off the pot.

There is zero comparison between a relationship over a decade between two same aged people who met at 20 and a quick let’s get mawwied relationship between a no-college-cheat halfwit and frigging late 30s divorcee. Try again.

Why are you and others bent on the non-college degree talking point. Is this the same DCUM crowd who constantly post in the college Dorothy’s every person should not attend college, and Trade schools pay better than non-stem college attendees. Now you guys are using it as an insult. His trade was the royal institution. Now his trade is invictus and writing memoirs. Obviously he did not need to go to college to make money doing either. And BTW, if you are thirty-five and older and you need more than a year to decide that you want to marry or walk away, something is wrong with you. You should know yourself by that age. You’re no spring chicken.

Yeah, b/c Harry was a real Thiel Fellow.

It's not just the fact that he didn't go to college., it's that he's super dumb.

What do you have to show for your so-called smarts? $100 million Netflix deals, $20 million book deal plus royalties and more on the way . Not bad for a dumb dude. By the way, can you point who's conventionally smart in that family? Please don't talk to me about his brother and his degree in geography or, his father with his history, archeology and anthropology nonsense .

You are all over the place attributing claims to me that I never made and are all hot and bothered.

Please go outside and get some fresh air. Your frothing isn't cute.

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The Times reports Harry’s friends call him dumb because “you can have a f…ing field day with the s…t we have on Harry.”

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Anonymous wrote:If you are in your mid 30's, have an education and a career, had a difficult life, had been abandoned by family, divorced by husband and experienced hypocrisy of Hollywood, why wouldn't you do some research and take time to understand a potential husband and his family?

Meghan initiated the divorce, as well as the break up with the guy she was living with when she first connected with H.

Another lie from the British tabloids. According to Meghan’s girlfriends they were trying to get Meghan to go out and date. They were going to spend the summer traveling during gurl things. Meghan was set up with Harry via blind date. How is she going to spend the summer traveling with her girlfriends if she is living with a significant other. And why would her friends be interested in finding her dates if she is living with a SO. These are words from her multiple girlfriends mouths, not a rag tabloid interested in selling copies.

Of course she would put this story out there through her gf to cover up her scurrilous ways.

She was still living with Corey when she started linking up with Harry.

Even your post shows how much they obfuscate. You say there were set up via a blind date, yet the Netflix doc says they met on Instagram .

They lie. All the time.

I’ve not read or heard Corey say this. But hey, we know you believe all of Rupert Murdoch’s trashy gossip rags.

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Anonymous wrote:What's sad is that with all this nonsense talk about independent life, it surely must burn H&M that their connection to the BRF is STILL the most interesting thing about them.

Netflix doc about their dramas? Sells like hotcakes.

Leadership something doc they "produced"? Didn't even register.

That tells you what people want from H&M. Not their ideas!

It's only the most interesting thing to people on here discussing it, and who know little else about them. Lots of people love them for lots of reasons, including their philanthropic work. Meghan def has a very close cadre of friends who are very protective of her and love her very much.

What else is there to know? Remove their connection to the BRF and do you think they would stand out in the sea of philanthropy?

Well Meghan was philanthropic prior to knowing and dating Harry. Actually received recognition from the UN on her charity work. Just because she was unknown to you does not mean she was unknown to others.

She wasn't a standout. No one knew her. I've probably spoken at more UN events than she had at that point, I just don't go about trying to curate a brand around it. You need money and/or status to be a standout philanthropist and she had neither.

She is relevant now entirely because of the racist, imperialist institution she is hellbent on destroying.

Even after having the post-royal family platform, their "Live to Lead" doc on Netflix tanked. Nobody cares about them apart from royal family drama and gossip.

Are you a standout ? Better yet, why aren't you a standout ? You could start by exiting thus thread IF you don't care about them .

Exactly. When I read that post, I simply rolled my eyes. What is that poster’s relevancy. Nada.

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2) Meghan was never cut out to be an obedient princess. She was/is a nice but ambitious and hard working woman with a vision of what she wants out of life, a clear feeling about what she believes is wrong and right, and an unwillingness to compromise herself entirely for anything or anyone. And in the end, this clashed with the institution and doomed her. She was never going to not fight back. And if you admire that quality overall you support her, and if you think she should have been thanking the gods for landing her a prince and keeping her mouth shut as she enjoyed the trappings of the royal life than you hate her.

Meghan thought that the whole institution of the BRF should be bent to suit her because she's so special. And when it didn't, she cried. She was fighting back against what she perceived as slights, but is in fact just reality: you, Meghan, are NOT as important as Kate, because hierarchy. And this hierarchy will not change based on how fabulous or glamorous or popular you are. That's why they get priceless art and you get IKEA. Both of you live in places you do not own and never will.

That’s where you are wrong. Meghan is no less important than Kate or anyone else. I agree with the poster before you, Meghan was never going to take a backseat to anyone. And she shouldn’t. It’s unAmerican. And it should be unBritish as well. Kate, William, Harry, Charles did nothing important in their life or helped others. They were just born into an institution that should have been dissolved a long time ago. She should bow to no man or woman. WTF. Do you teach your children that they are less important than others simply because of their birth.

Then. Why. Marry. Into. It?!?

She could have made it a condition of marriage that Harry move to the U.S. and join her if they loved each other so much.

Nothing adds up. And you do not get to tell the British what is UnBritish. They can decide for themselves. How presumptuous.

I’m American. I make a lot of presumptions. It is my God given right. Lots of people marry and don’t get along with their in-laws. NBD. How many of whiners come onto DCUM complaining about your in-laws. Why do you marry into it?

you're sounding like a monarchist talking about God given rights now!

There are not centruries of documented, very public evidence about how DCUM in-law families work.

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Anonymous wrote:The most vicious revelation is him writing about his father taking his childhood teddy bear everywhere sue to scars from childhood bullying. This is such a private and painful thing to reveal about someone else.

What a tragic end for Harry, I can’t see anyone wanting to keep his company.

It's appalling, I simply can't get over how vicious and petty the details are. Daily Mail has excerpts of the Kate vs. Meghan anecdotes, and they are mind-glowingly stupid. Anger about hugs, lip gloss, children's tights and requests not to be too informal prematurely? I mean wtf.

Amazing how this is mostly coming from the Sussexes, and Meghan really does not come across well at all. Arrogant, abrasive, presumptuous, and definitely jealous.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11606199/Inside-Meghan-Kates-long-standing-feud-fallings-drove-apart.html

It is mostly incredibly stupid and small, but do we think it's true Meghan paid for the Sussex's Ikea furniture vs. the Wales's lap-of-luxury decor? Very strange!

Meghan had a $1M wardrobe during her 18 months of service so I doubt it. They spent $4M renovating Frogmore and included a personal yoga room and floating floor and she had the designer of SOHO house do the interior decor.

That was not a part of the renovation, and it was 3.2 million, and they repaid it. And maybe that all seems nitpicky but it shows how people change and frame these stories to make her look comically awful.

But the comical awfulness is just from the semantics of the exact cost or the silly reno features. Are they not embarrassed to now be publicly complaining about how small their newlywed home was or how nice William and Catherine's furniture was when they ended up removating their dream home and now live in a mansion.

They were married for 2 minutes and were already comparing and complaining. What an awful way to start a marriage and join a family.

It's also quite bizarre for what amounts to a new employee feeling entitled to anything, much less parity with well-established senior royals.

It isn't Meghan but HARRY who felt entitled to parity, and he should! Andrew gets whatever he wants!

I doubt comparatively Andrew gets a fraction of what his brother gets, and what he does have was "earned" over time precisely because he stayed in the fold and fulfilled his duties, such as they were.

Harry's main gripe seems fundamentally to be that Charles cut him off. So once again there are inconsistencies here.

I feel like only people from functional families can read this that way. CLEARLY money is used as a coercive weapon in the family. ALL of them use it against one another. Which is why the financial independence that M/H have sought and acquired is so INCREDIBLY threatening.

Exactly. Money was used as a weapon to wield obedience and compliance. What’s love got to do with anything.

Let's call a spade, a spade (or Spare!).
Harry is also using his family to make money which allows him to continue to live like a Royal.
Also, if he wasn't a Royal, you think Meghan would have married that misshapen carrot-top?

Well he is in America now. Money is king here. So he is using the tactics he was trained to use sense birth, using family. They all use each other. Why do posters insist that he should be above the fray. He has four mouths to feed and protect.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are in your mid 30's, have an education and a career, had a difficult life, had been abandoned by family, divorced by husband and experienced hypocrisy of Hollywood, why wouldn't you do some research and take time to understand a potential husband and his family?

Meghan initiated the divorce, as well as the break up with the guy she was living with when she first connected with H.

Another lie from the British tabloids. According to Meghan’s girlfriends they were trying to get Meghan to go out and date. They were going to spend the summer traveling during gurl things. Meghan was set up with Harry via blind date. How is she going to spend the summer traveling with her girlfriends if she is living with a significant other. And why would her friends be interested in finding her dates if she is living with a SO. These are words from her multiple girlfriends mouths, not a rag tabloid interested in selling copies.

Of course she would put this story out there through her gf to cover up her scurrilous ways.

She was still living with Corey when she started linking up with Harry.

Even your post shows how much they obfuscate. You say there were set up via a blind date, yet the Netflix doc says they met on Instagram .

They lie. All the time.

I’ve not read or heard Corey say this. But hey, we know you believe all of Rupert Murdoch’s trashy gossip rags.

Corey ain't touching this with a ten foot pole. Meg and Harry have repeatedly changed the story on when they first met/started dating because there was a clear overlap with Corey in the initial story, as evidenced by some of Meg's social media behavior.

Harry couldn't even see where Meg lived on their beginning dates because she was still living with Corey. He stayed a "friends" places in Canada.

Meg better hope Jessica Mulroney keeps her mouth shut.

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Anonymous wrote:The royal life sounds perfectly ghastly, which is why Chelsy and Cressida had the good sense to run away.

Chelsy and Cressida are rich heiresses, they had better options. It was not the Royal life, it was Harrold, he was an ass to both women.

IDK. Will also was keen to marry a blonde aristochick and dumped Kate multiple times to try to get with them, but they didn't want a Royal life and yes, had other options. Both boys were basically going to have to marry commoners who viewed the marriage as a big step up. I don't see Harrold as being an ass unless you apply the same to William who was roundly rejected.

He finally "did the right thing" after being told to shit or get off the pot.

There is zero comparison between a relationship over a decade between two same aged people who met at 20 and a quick let’s get mawwied relationship between a no-college-cheat halfwit and frigging late 30s divorcee. Try again.

Why are you and others bent on the non-college degree talking point. Is this the same DCUM crowd who constantly post in the college Dorothy’s every person should not attend college, and Trade schools pay better than non-stem college attendees. Now you guys are using it as an insult. His trade was the royal institution. Now his trade is invictus and writing memoirs. Obviously he did not need to go to college to make money doing either. And BTW, if you are thirty-five and older and you need more than a year to decide that you want to marry or walk away, something is wrong with you. You should know yourself by that age. You’re no spring chicken.

Yeah, b/c Harry was a real Thiel Fellow.

It's not just the fact that he didn't go to college., it's that he's super dumb.

Really? What’s your definition of dumb exactly?

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Anonymous wrote:What's sad is that with all this nonsense talk about independent life, it surely must burn H&M that their connection to the BRF is STILL the most interesting thing about them.

Netflix doc about their dramas? Sells like hotcakes.

Leadership something doc they "produced"? Didn't even register.

That tells you what people want from H&M. Not their ideas!

It's only the most interesting thing to people on here discussing it, and who know little else about them. Lots of people love them for lots of reasons, including their philanthropic work. Meghan def has a very close cadre of friends who are very protective of her and love her very much.

What else is there to know? Remove their connection to the BRF and do you think they would stand out in the sea of philanthropy?

Well Meghan was philanthropic prior to knowing and dating Harry. Actually received recognition from the UN on her charity work. Just because she was unknown to you does not mean she was unknown to others.

She wasn't a standout. No one knew her. I've probably spoken at more UN events than she had at that point, I just don't go about trying to curate a brand around it. You need money and/or status to be a standout philanthropist and she had neither.

She is relevant now entirely because of the racist, imperialist institution she is hellbent on destroying.

Even after having the post-royal family platform, their "Live to Lead" doc on Netflix tanked. Nobody cares about them apart from royal family drama and gossip.

Are you a standout ? Better yet, why aren't you a standout ? You could start by exiting thus thread IF you don't care about them .

Exactly. When I read that post, I simply rolled my eyes. What is that poster’s relevancy. Nada.

That's the point, genius! It's not relevant. That kind of crap is a dime a dozen in DC. You're acting like she was some big deal before she me Harry. She wasn't!

My goodness, the comprehension is off the charts in here today.

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Anonymous wrote:In time I predict Harry will write a tell all about Meghan and how she controlled and manipulated him causing him to lose his family and everything important to him. What is with Tyler Perry, who they barely know, being their daughter’s Godfather? Do they have zero friends or family that they get along with?

Are you one of the many posters from 2018, predicting a divorce in two-years. Sorry your two years is long gone.

A future tell all could happen but only because Harry seems to take responsibility for his own actions and decisions so rarely. He is a grown man making choices, attributing fault to anyone else but him is ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:In time I predict Harry will write a tell all about Meghan and how she controlled and manipulated him causing him to lose his family and everything important to him. What is with Tyler Perry, who they barely know, being their daughter’s Godfather? Do they have zero friends or family that they get along with?

In time I predict you'll be sorely disappointed that your deranged fantasy won't come to fruition. But, in the meantime , it's enjoyable to know they're living rent-free in that unstable mind of yours .

In my opinion, their relationship pretty clearly follows the pattern of abuse described in this article: https://exploringyourmind.com/isolating-a-partner-is-a-common-form-of-abuse/

Harry will wake up one day and realize what happened and what he lost. I do have to admit that Meghan is a master at manipulation though, credit to her for that.

Yes. That evil woman. How dare she nuts always the woman’s fault. Men can’t think for themselves. Serious! Are you women really raising your sons and daughters in this misogynistic bullshit.