Taylor's Swift's new album - let's GOOOOO

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Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

Maybe she grew up and moved away from drug addicted Peter Pans?

The doofus who shotgunned beers last summer on stage at his bachelor's degree ceremony and was kicked off his college team for drugs is so mature.

Hon, most 21-year-old men, which is how old Travis was when he had a positive drug test, aren’t that mature. How many men and women in your neighborhood who are actual adults Do you think do Gummies – you’d be surprised. If you’re gonna hate on someone, why don’t you make it legit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Canceled! sounds exactly the same as Lorde - Yellow Flicker Beat. What song on this album did Taylor Swift not take from another artist?

Waaahhh. Waaaahhhhh. Gosh, you sure spent a ton of time dissecting these songs for a hate.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

Maybe she grew up and moved away from drug addicted Peter Pans?

The doofus who shotgunned beers last summer on stage at his bachelor's degree ceremony and was kicked off his college team for drugs is so mature.

Work hard, play hard. Do you have comments about his job performance?

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I'm surprised by the negative feedback and heretofore never seen visceral reaction that this album has triggered. Surprised because, for some of us, this album is exactly how everyone of her album has sounded with a few exceptions here and there . In other words, it's always been THIS bad.So what happened ?My theory is that, some members of the 'cult' are having inexplicable moments of clarity and are now questioning what they ever saw in her music.

Taylor Swift huge popularity was NEVER totally owed to the quality of her music ( Its never been good)but rather to the never before seen intensity with which she catered and tapped into whiteness ( sorry swifties but it's true ).Her team rightfully calculated that, the return on investment would be massive if they positioned her as a cultural refuge for white women who couldn't care about things like gay rights, BLM, gender equality, #MeToo, reproductive rights etc.One aspect of this has been her cemetery-like silence on virtually anything that had nothing to do with, or did not affect/benefit HER. If you look at the huge pop stars of the last decade like the Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Katy perry just to name those, they've all been vocal about one societal issue or another without necessarily being affected by it . Katy Perry was boisterous in her campaign for Obama , Lady Gaga activism for gay rights was part and parcel of her brand, Beyonce has been open by her support for gay rights, BLM and a host of other issues .

Taylor Swift ? Radio silence . White America loved her for it and rewarded her handsomely. And so, no matter how bland, lackluster and jarringly forgettable the music was, they and their daughters were always going to come out in full force because she was their exit ramp from the highway of activism that they loathe.She was never going to make them uncomfortable by calling them bigots ( which many are ) for their lack of empathy, respect and support for marginalized groups. Taylor Swift has always sold blindingly white whiteness, except now, the cracks are forming.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there literally one pop star who has ever aged gracefully? They all got batshit in their 30s.

Pink

I do like that Pink's response to getting older was to focus on getting stronger and taking up new active hobbies, instead of messing with her face and trying to keep looking 25. I think the key is letting go of certain expectations of feminity (that are heavily tied to youthfulness) and forging your own path.

Pink is a much stronger character and I think has always had a stronger identity and knew who she was. She had issues certainly in her padt but has been married and a mother during high wattage fame and she cared about those things. Much more down to earth, no bull sh*t person and much less in need of approval probably always. Swift is needy and hungry in a deeper way. Totally different characters.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

Maybe she grew up and moved away from drug addicted Peter Pans?

The doofus who shotgunned beers last summer on stage at his bachelor's degree ceremony and was kicked off his college team for drugs is so mature.

Work hard, play hard. Do you have comments about his job performance?

I’ll play! Yes I do have comments about his “workplace.” His out of control behavior broke a colleagues collar bone. He also yelled at his boss and pushed him. Those things are deal breakers in most work places.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

I think it’s several things.

1) Growing up and maturing and learning that the messy brooding artsy “I can fix him” types might set your sheets on fire, but they aren’t the types you marry and have kids with. You marry and have kids with the boring/stable nice guy from a nice family who will always be a little bit more into you than you’re into him.

2) She likes the free spirit artsy creative types but they don’t like her back because her whole existence is too corporate and curated.

3) She wants or wanted to be the type of woman that a guy like Matty would go for, but deep down she knows & has accepted that it’s actually not who she really is and that what she’s actually wanted all along was someone like Travis: a big, strong, popular star athlete to notice her, choose her, and worship her.

I agree, especially with number 2. It doesn’t seem that Joe Alwyn was that into her and that he was turned off by her mega corporate fame. I can’t imagine though going for someone like Travis after Joe! So long London.

[Anonymous]

“Wood” success will be due to the Jackson 5 beat sample.

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Taylor swift is a very conventional, self monitoring, person. She wants to be pretty, popular, and well liked. Pink didn't crave those things and didn't need them and her message was strength and brutal honesty. Swift is preoccupied with being pretty. I really believe that.

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Anonymous wrote: I'm surprised by the negative feedback and heretofore never seen visceral reaction that this album has triggered. Surprised because, for some of us, this album is exactly how everyone of her album has sounded with a few exceptions here and there . In other words, it's always been THIS bad.So what happened ?My theory is that, some members of the 'cult' are having inexplicable moments of clarity and are now questioning what they ever saw in her music.

Taylor Swift huge popularity was NEVER totally owed to the quality of her music ( Its never been good)but rather to the never before seen intensity with which she catered and tapped into whiteness ( sorry swifties but it's true ).Her team rightfully calculated that, the return on investment would be massive if they positioned her as a cultural refuge for white women who couldn't care about things like gay rights, BLM, gender equality, #MeToo, reproductive rights etc.One aspect of this has been her cemetery-like silence on virtually anything that had nothing to do with, or did not affect/benefit HER. If you look at the huge pop stars of the last decade like the Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Katy perry just to name those, they've all been vocal about one societal issue or another without necessarily being affected by it . Katy Perry was boisterous in her campaign for Obama , Lady Gaga activism for gay rights was part and parcel of her brand, Beyonce has been open by her support for gay rights, BLM and a host of other issues .

Taylor Swift ? Radio silence . White America loved her for it and rewarded her handsomely. And so, no matter how bland, lackluster and jarringly forgettable the music was, they and their daughters were always going to come out in full force because she was their exit ramp from the highway of activism that they loathe.She was never going to make them uncomfortable by calling them bigots ( which many are ) for their lack of empathy, respect and support for marginalized groups. Taylor Swift has always sold blindingly white whiteness, except now, the cracks are forming.

I'm not a fan of TS (or a hater), I just don't know much about her music. I have sons, not daughters, and am older GenX. Today I heard a music critic on NPR review her latest album, and play clips of multiple songs. I was surprised at how..bubblegum pop bland it all sounds. And similar. Maybe it was always like this? Or explained by her using the same producer as for several other albums? (So said the music critic). Anyway, I have to agree with the PP, TS is bland in her personality in many ways, doesn't rock the boat, comes across like a nice person, and her music is blah too. (Thankfully no Swifties know where I live )

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Wood” success will be due to the Jackson 5 beat sample.

It sounded more like eye of the tiger than Jackson 5

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

I don’t believe she is genuinely in love with Travis. She desperately wants marriage and babies, and of all the men she had dated, he’s the only one who asked. So here we are. Her deflecting on planning the wedding sounds like Gabriette when she was asked about it recently. “Not planning it yet, will focus on it after I am done with xyz project.” The way they talk about their weddings reminds me of the Friends episode where Chandler is going to Yemen 😂

You guys are insanely impossible the way you look at the world. Someone can have many different types of people depending on how they are treated y that person or attracted to that person. I like blondes but having been to Columbia, think they have some of the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen and I was attracted to pretty much every one there. Chemistry can’t be explained and Travis and Taylor just have it. Anyone that can read the room can see they are completely comfortable with each other.

[Anonymous]

Charlie Pluth had a really good video on sampling and interpolation of songs

https://www.instagram.com/p/DPhDNaPkf87/?hl=en

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I don’t think it is that bad, but I think stale is the accurate description. Next album she has to push the envelope a little and give people something new. It’s a safe album.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is more toxic than what is on the more commonly toxic sites. Are people in the DC area that unhappy with their own lives? So much hate on here for Taylor, but her streaming numbers don’t support the “numbers” of haters on this thread. The new album Is killing it. It seems like the haters here (probably just one or two ladies), have a more parasocial relationship with Taylor than her own fans do.

How many times are you going to make the same basic ass point? I’m a casual fan. The album sucks and is beneath what she’s capable of. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a hater.