Taylor's Swift's new album - let's GOOOOO

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Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

Maybe she grew up and moved away from drug addicted Peter Pans?

The doofus who shotgunned beers last summer on stage at his bachelor's degree ceremony and was kicked off his college team for drugs is so mature.

Work hard, play hard. Do you have comments about his job performance?

I’ll play! Yes I do have comments about his “workplace.” His out of control behavior broke a colleagues collar bone. He also yelled at his boss and pushed him. Those things are deal breakers in most work places.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

I think it’s several things.

1) Growing up and maturing and learning that the messy brooding artsy “I can fix him” types might set your sheets on fire, but they aren’t the types you marry and have kids with. You marry and have kids with the boring/stable nice guy from a nice family who will always be a little bit more into you than you’re into him.

2) She likes the free spirit artsy creative types but they don’t like her back because her whole existence is too corporate and curated.

3) She wants or wanted to be the type of woman that a guy like Matty would go for, but deep down she knows & has accepted that it’s actually not who she really is and that what she’s actually wanted all along was someone like Travis: a big, strong, popular star athlete to notice her, choose her, and worship her.

I agree, especially with number 2. It doesn’t seem that Joe Alwyn was that into her and that he was turned off by her mega corporate fame. I can’t imagine though going for someone like Travis after Joe! So long London.

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“Wood” success will be due to the Jackson 5 beat sample.

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Taylor swift is a very conventional, self monitoring, person. She wants to be pretty, popular, and well liked. Pink didn't crave those things and didn't need them and her message was strength and brutal honesty. Swift is preoccupied with being pretty. I really believe that.

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Anonymous wrote: I'm surprised by the negative feedback and heretofore never seen visceral reaction that this album has triggered. Surprised because, for some of us, this album is exactly how everyone of her album has sounded with a few exceptions here and there . In other words, it's always been THIS bad.So what happened ?My theory is that, some members of the 'cult' are having inexplicable moments of clarity and are now questioning what they ever saw in her music.

Taylor Swift huge popularity was NEVER totally owed to the quality of her music ( Its never been good)but rather to the never before seen intensity with which she catered and tapped into whiteness ( sorry swifties but it's true ).Her team rightfully calculated that, the return on investment would be massive if they positioned her as a cultural refuge for white women who couldn't care about things like gay rights, BLM, gender equality, #MeToo, reproductive rights etc.One aspect of this has been her cemetery-like silence on virtually anything that had nothing to do with, or did not affect/benefit HER. If you look at the huge pop stars of the last decade like the Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Katy perry just to name those, they've all been vocal about one societal issue or another without necessarily being affected by it . Katy Perry was boisterous in her campaign for Obama , Lady Gaga activism for gay rights was part and parcel of her brand, Beyonce has been open by her support for gay rights, BLM and a host of other issues .

Taylor Swift ? Radio silence . White America loved her for it and rewarded her handsomely. And so, no matter how bland, lackluster and jarringly forgettable the music was, they and their daughters were always going to come out in full force because she was their exit ramp from the highway of activism that they loathe.She was never going to make them uncomfortable by calling them bigots ( which many are ) for their lack of empathy, respect and support for marginalized groups. Taylor Swift has always sold blindingly white whiteness, except now, the cracks are forming.

I'm not a fan of TS (or a hater), I just don't know much about her music. I have sons, not daughters, and am older GenX. Today I heard a music critic on NPR review her latest album, and play clips of multiple songs. I was surprised at how..bubblegum pop bland it all sounds. And similar. Maybe it was always like this? Or explained by her using the same producer as for several other albums? (So said the music critic). Anyway, I have to agree with the PP, TS is bland in her personality in many ways, doesn't rock the boat, comes across like a nice person, and her music is blah too. (Thankfully no Swifties know where I live )

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Anonymous wrote:“Wood” success will be due to the Jackson 5 beat sample.

It sounded more like eye of the tiger than Jackson 5

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Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

I don’t believe she is genuinely in love with Travis. She desperately wants marriage and babies, and of all the men she had dated, he’s the only one who asked. So here we are. Her deflecting on planning the wedding sounds like Gabriette when she was asked about it recently. “Not planning it yet, will focus on it after I am done with xyz project.” The way they talk about their weddings reminds me of the Friends episode where Chandler is going to Yemen 😂

You guys are insanely impossible the way you look at the world. Someone can have many different types of people depending on how they are treated y that person or attracted to that person. I like blondes but having been to Columbia, think they have some of the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen and I was attracted to pretty much every one there. Chemistry can’t be explained and Travis and Taylor just have it. Anyone that can read the room can see they are completely comfortable with each other.

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Charlie Pluth had a really good video on sampling and interpolation of songs

https://www.instagram.com/p/DPhDNaPkf87/?hl=en

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I don’t think it is that bad, but I think stale is the accurate description. Next album she has to push the envelope a little and give people something new. It’s a safe album.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is more toxic than what is on the more commonly toxic sites. Are people in the DC area that unhappy with their own lives? So much hate on here for Taylor, but her streaming numbers don’t support the “numbers” of haters on this thread. The new album Is killing it. It seems like the haters here (probably just one or two ladies), have a more parasocial relationship with Taylor than her own fans do.

How many times are you going to make the same basic ass point? I’m a casual fan. The album sucks and is beneath what she’s capable of. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a hater.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

Maybe she grew up and moved away from drug addicted Peter Pans?

Many people spend their first few relationships picking people with whom they can "solve" whatever made them feel unloved or unsafe growing up. Then as you do the work, you get blindsided by someone different and everything feels better. She doesn't strike me as particularly deep and neither does he. They should live their life however they want, but hopefully they'll do something meaningful with their money and power.

They already have done meaningful things with their money. I don’t think a celebrity in the world does more good with their platform than Taylor.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is filthy rich but an extremely basic dimwitted boring and uneducated American gal. That "boring" jab must have cut her so deep. She has always tried to surround herself with edgy art scene creatives and Euros and tries to masquerade as this creative erudite poet. To pretend she's content with some idiot American football jock and his flyover prole family is laughable. That's why every time she's with him, his family, and/or his social circle she's got booze in her hand. She's miserable af.

This is worded more harshly than I’d have put it, but it’s basically how I felt until I saw her appearance on the Kelce podcast right before they got engaged. IDK, to me she seemed blissfully happy and head over heels in love. I think another PP had it right. Taylor WANTS to be sees as an edgy cool artsy creative, but at the end of the day what she really wanted all along was for the hunky star footballer to pick her, give her a fat rock, and worship the ground she walks on.

(Np). I came to the same conclusion after seeing her on Jimmy Fallon. She explained that she didn’t want to do the SuperBowl halftime show because she’s too focused on her incredible boyfriend. I think she even said something like, “every Sunday he puts his life on the line”. Girl, what? She called him a “Gladiator.” I think she’s head over heels smitten and when the rose colored glasses come off, she’s going to be embarrassed at how impressed she was by football.

I saw that interview clip and it was so weird. At first I was on board with the sentiment (football is Travis's thing, so she doesn't want to do the halftime show so that she can just support him doing his thing). But when she started talking about him putting his life on the line, I was like.... wut? First of all, he's not "putting his life on the line" unless you literally mean the line of scrimmage or something. Football is entertainment, Travis isn't making some noble sacrifice for anything that matters. And second, her language made it sound like it would somehow be disrespectful for her to care about her career while Travis was working, like his job was just so much more important than hers. Which makes no sense. They are both entertainers, neither job is inherently more important than the other, but Taylor's job definitely employs more people and has way more people relying on her -- there is only one Taylor Swift but there are other NFL-caliber tight ends.

She reminds me of friends/colleagues/classmates of mine who were very rah-rah feminist in their 20s about wanting egalitarian relationships or not even needing a man at all (whatever, I have my squad, amiright) but then got pretty traditionalist when they got married in their 30s. There's nothing wrong with choosing a traditional marriage if that's what you want, but the 180 can be jarring and you realize that a lot of the "feminist ideals" such women spout are just a persona they were trying on, it's not real to them. It definitely is starting to feel like this might be the case for Taylor.

Your disinterest in football doesn't matter. It's still a very violent dangerous sport. There is no "wut" about it. It may not be noble but it is his job. Remember Damar Hamlin?

DP. Literally never heard of this person. From Wikipedia looks like he’s still alive so don’t get the life on the line thing.

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Her bullying on this album might get her cancelled. Teens on tik-tok are going hyper viral re-exposing her long-term pattern of super creepy predatory behavior, which happened back when they were toddlers:

"Swift was 22 when she dated Robert F Kennedy's son, Conor, in the summer of 2012 when he was 17. During their brief romance, Swift bought a $5 million Cape Cod mansion which was located within walking distance of the Kennedy Compound in Hyannis Port."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-15171561/taylor-swift-exes-ages-controversy.html

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Anonymous wrote: I'm surprised by the negative feedback and heretofore never seen visceral reaction that this album has triggered. Surprised because, for some of us, this album is exactly how everyone of her album has sounded with a few exceptions here and there . In other words, it's always been THIS bad.So what happened ?My theory is that, some members of the 'cult' are having inexplicable moments of clarity and are now questioning what they ever saw in her music.

Taylor Swift huge popularity was NEVER totally owed to the quality of her music ( Its never been good)but rather to the never before seen intensity with which she catered and tapped into whiteness ( sorry swifties but it's true ).Her team rightfully calculated that, the return on investment would be massive if they positioned her as a cultural refuge for white women who couldn't care about things like gay rights, BLM, gender equality, #MeToo, reproductive rights etc.One aspect of this has been her cemetery-like silence on virtually anything that had nothing to do with, or did not affect/benefit HER. If you look at the huge pop stars of the last decade like the Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Katy perry just to name those, they've all been vocal about one societal issue or another without necessarily being affected by it . Katy Perry was boisterous in her campaign for Obama , Lady Gaga activism for gay rights was part and parcel of her brand, Beyonce has been open by her support for gay rights, BLM and a host of other issues .

Taylor Swift ? Radio silence . White America loved her for it and rewarded her handsomely. And so, no matter how bland, lackluster and jarringly forgettable the music was, they and their daughters were always going to come out in full force because she was their exit ramp from the highway of activism that they loathe.She was never going to make them uncomfortable by calling them bigots ( which many are ) for their lack of empathy, respect and support for marginalized groups. Taylor Swift has always sold blindingly white whiteness, except now, the cracks are forming.

Taylor Swift did an entire instagram post endorsing Kamala Harris in the last presidential election. Including praising Kamala for choosing Tim Walz as a running mate who “has been standing up for LGBTQ+ rights, IVF, and a woman's right to her own body for decades.” She spoke out in advance of the 2020 election as well.

Is she the most outwardly political singer compared to others? No, but to say she’s been “radio silent” on societal issues is bullshit.

Time Magazine - A History of Taylor Swift’s Involvement in Politics https://time.com/7020404/taylor-swift-endorsements-politics-timeline/

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Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

Maybe she grew up and moved away from drug addicted Peter Pans?

The doofus who shotgunned beers last summer on stage at his bachelor's degree ceremony and was kicked off his college team for drugs is so mature.

Hon, most 21-year-old men, which is how old Travis was when he had a positive drug test, aren’t that mature. How many men and women in your neighborhood who are actual adults Do you think do Gummies – you’d be surprised. If you’re gonna hate on someone, why don’t you make it legit?

I don't really know anything about Travis's college behavior but I do agree with the PP that he doesn't strike me as a particularly mature person for his age (35ish, right?). Both he and Taylor seem somewhat stunted, to be honest, with a heavy focus on appearances, partying, popularity, etc. They also seem to still be very much under the care and protection of their parents, which is a bit odd for people in their mid-30s who are financially independent and professionally successful. I get it, I'd do the same for my kids, but I'd like to think mine would push for more independence by that age.

In a weird way I feel like this relationship is like a do-over for the college relationship and early marriage that of course neither of them had because they were focused on their careers at a very high level at that age. So it's like a regression, more than a sign of maturity. I don't know what that means for them or their relationship, most people aren't in this situation. It's someone who became a child star and skipped late adolescence marrying a guy who was a star athlete in tightly controlled sport environments from like age 10 until his mid 30s. Hard to compare to regular people. I guess we'll see! Based on what I know of the relationships of similar people, I would not put money on it lasting or being functional, sorry.