Trump wanted to release immigration detainees onto the streets of “sanctuary cities"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it wasn’t Trumps idea, would sending people to the sanctuary cities be considered a punishment on the residents of those cities?

In other words, if this had been a Dem's idea, how would liberals be reacting to this measure?

great question

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DP. I pointed this out earlier in the thread. If AOC, for instance, had come up with this idea, liberals would be praising her to the heavens. The only variable here is that it was Trump's idea - and so it must be shot down immediately, preferably with as much outrage as possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gotta give Trump credit, he now has Democrats arguing against illegal immigration.

Yep. One less reason to not vote for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it wasn’t Trumps idea, would sending people to the sanctuary cities be considered a punishment on the residents of those cities?

In other words, if this had been a Dem's idea, how would liberals be reacting to this measure?

great question

+1
DP. I pointed this out earlier in the thread. If AOC, for instance, had come up with this idea, liberals would be praising her to the heavens. The only variable here is that it was Trump's idea - and so it must be shot down immediately, preferably with as much outrage as possible.

Take the politics out of it and it bocomes a simple question.

Is relocating these people to the sanctuary cities a punishment or not? If so, what’s the point of sanctuary cities? If not, what’s the problem?

[Anonymous]

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Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

The problem is, people like you have fallen for the "dems are for open borders" BS and there is no discussing it rationally with that perspective. It is a complex issue that doesn't require a wall but does require a plan for how to deal with legal asylum seekers, how to ease the burden on INS courts etc. The rhetoric from Trump and the actions on the ground have been a disaster of his own making.

90% of the asylum claims are bogus. This needs to be cut off at the border.

Agree.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jun/21/donald-trump/1700-percent-increase-asylum-claims/

Between 60 and 80 percent of those cases were approved for further court review. Overall, 20 percent of applicants were ultimately granted asylum in fiscal year 2017, the Homeland Security Department told us.

small percent approved - But the bar has changed, too.

While the percentage of individuals whose asylum claims are approved by the Justice Department is relatively low, it might be explained by the much higher bar set by a court appearance than the completion of a survey.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it wasn’t Trumps idea, would sending people to the sanctuary cities be considered a punishment on the residents of those cities?

In other words, if this had been a Dem's idea, how would liberals be reacting to this measure?

great question

+1
DP. I pointed this out earlier in the thread. If AOC, for instance, had come up with this idea, liberals would be praising her to the heavens. The only variable here is that it was Trump's idea - and so it must be shot down immediately, preferably with as much outrage as possible.

Take the politics out of it and it bocomes a simple question.

Is relocating these people to the sanctuary cities a punishment or not? If so, what’s the point of sanctuary cities? If not, what’s the problem?

This is probably the best group of posts on this thread.

You can "hate the artist but love the art" sort of thing . . .

[Anonymous]

I wonder how these uber trump supporters feel about the corporate tax breaks being permanent but the individual tax cuts being phased out over ten years? And even these expiring cuts are expected to send the deficit soaring.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.


So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.


You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.


The problem is, people like you have fallen for the "dems are for open borders" BS and there is no discussing it rationally with that perspective. It is a complex issue that doesn't require a wall but does require a plan for how to deal with legal asylum seekers, how to ease the burden on INS courts etc. The rhetoric from Trump and the actions on the ground have been a disaster of his own making.


I haven't fallen for anything.

You either pull for those entering legally or you keep the borders open for all. There is no gray. It's black and white.

I'm waiting on the platforms. Then I'll make my decision. But based on the small segments I've read, they've offered nothing concrete or nothing to limit this overflow. They are far too progressive with their views, which will push more and more moderate Ds to the right.

I didn't vote for Trump, but I knew he'd win. At this point, the Ds are even more fragmented than they were three years ago. Pelosi has lost control and is too fearful to rein in some of her loudmouths. So Ds are all over the map on many issues.



Trump lost by 3 million votes and the GOP has won the popular vote just once in over 30 years. Thats not a party in the pink of health. Dont be delusional. They barely win the EC and thats just tenuous. AMERICANS are not with the con party which uses immigration to demagogue while they take benefits from Most Americans and give them away to the rich as tax cuts. THIS CON GAME has been seen through by enough Americans that the Fraud trickle down party already lost big in 2018. The con man who has never ever crossed 45% in approval is not exactly in any position to win by NOT moderating at all. This is not gonna end well because the conman couldn't get his approval up EVEN AFTER HE SELF EXONERATED from the Russia mess.


Dems are not unified.

That's enough in itself.

You simply don't get Machiavelli. Divide and conquer is a great tactic. Do some research.

There's nothing like Trump to unify the Dems. Just saying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.


So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.


You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.


The problem is, people like you have fallen for the "dems are for open borders" BS and there is no discussing it rationally with that perspective. It is a complex issue that doesn't require a wall but does require a plan for how to deal with legal asylum seekers, how to ease the burden on INS courts etc. The rhetoric from Trump and the actions on the ground have been a disaster of his own making.


I haven't fallen for anything.

You either pull for those entering legally or you keep the borders open for all. There is no gray. It's black and white.

I'm waiting on the platforms. Then I'll make my decision. But based on the small segments I've read, they've offered nothing concrete or nothing to limit this overflow. They are far too progressive with their views, which will push more and more moderate Ds to the right.

I didn't vote for Trump, but I knew he'd win. At this point, the Ds are even more fragmented than they were three years ago. Pelosi has lost control and is too fearful to rein in some of her loudmouths. So Ds are all over the map on many issues.



Trump lost by 3 million votes and the GOP has won the popular vote just once in over 30 years. Thats not a party in the pink of health. Dont be delusional. They barely win the EC and thats just tenuous. AMERICANS are not with the con party which uses immigration to demagogue while they take benefits from Most Americans and give them away to the rich as tax cuts. THIS CON GAME has been seen through by enough Americans that the Fraud trickle down party already lost big in 2018. The con man who has never ever crossed 45% in approval is not exactly in any position to win by NOT moderating at all. This is not gonna end well because the conman couldn't get his approval up EVEN AFTER HE SELF EXONERATED from the Russia mess.


Dems are not unified.

That's enough in itself.

You simply don't get Machiavelli. Divide and conquer is a great tactic. Do some research.

There's nothing like Trump to unify the Dems. Just saying.

So are you pro-Palestinian or pro-Israel?

just wondering . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.


So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.


You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.


The problem is, people like you have fallen for the "dems are for open borders" BS and there is no discussing it rationally with that perspective. It is a complex issue that doesn't require a wall but does require a plan for how to deal with legal asylum seekers, how to ease the burden on INS courts etc. The rhetoric from Trump and the actions on the ground have been a disaster of his own making.


I haven't fallen for anything.

You either pull for those entering legally or you keep the borders open for all. There is no gray. It's black and white.

I'm waiting on the platforms. Then I'll make my decision. But based on the small segments I've read, they've offered nothing concrete or nothing to limit this overflow. They are far too progressive with their views, which will push more and more moderate Ds to the right.

I didn't vote for Trump, but I knew he'd win. At this point, the Ds are even more fragmented than they were three years ago. Pelosi has lost control and is too fearful to rein in some of her loudmouths. So Ds are all over the map on many issues.



Trump lost by 3 million votes and the GOP has won the popular vote just once in over 30 years. Thats not a party in the pink of health. Dont be delusional. They barely win the EC and thats just tenuous. AMERICANS are not with the con party which uses immigration to demagogue while they take benefits from Most Americans and give them away to the rich as tax cuts. THIS CON GAME has been seen through by enough Americans that the Fraud trickle down party already lost big in 2018. The con man who has never ever crossed 45% in approval is not exactly in any position to win by NOT moderating at all. This is not gonna end well because the conman couldn't get his approval up EVEN AFTER HE SELF EXONERATED from the Russia mess.


Dems are not unified.

That's enough in itself.

You simply don't get Machiavelli. Divide and conquer is a great tactic. Do some research.

There's nothing like Trump to unify the Dems. Just saying.

The dems in-fighting is over the top.

[Anonymous]

Who decided to “dump” all the Somalians in Minnesota and Maine or was that just a big coincidence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.


So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.


You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.


The problem is, people like you have fallen for the "dems are for open borders" BS and there is no discussing it rationally with that perspective. It is a complex issue that doesn't require a wall but does require a plan for how to deal with legal asylum seekers, how to ease the burden on INS courts etc. The rhetoric from Trump and the actions on the ground have been a disaster of his own making.


I haven't fallen for anything.

You either pull for those entering legally or you keep the borders open for all. There is no gray. It's black and white.

I'm waiting on the platforms. Then I'll make my decision. But based on the small segments I've read, they've offered nothing concrete or nothing to limit this overflow. They are far too progressive with their views, which will push more and more moderate Ds to the right.

I didn't vote for Trump, but I knew he'd win. At this point, the Ds are even more fragmented than they were three years ago. Pelosi has lost control and is too fearful to rein in some of her loudmouths. So Ds are all over the map on many issues.



Trump lost by 3 million votes and the GOP has won the popular vote just once in over 30 years. Thats not a party in the pink of health. Dont be delusional. They barely win the EC and thats just tenuous. AMERICANS are not with the con party which uses immigration to demagogue while they take benefits from Most Americans and give them away to the rich as tax cuts. THIS CON GAME has been seen through by enough Americans that the Fraud trickle down party already lost big in 2018. The con man who has never ever crossed 45% in approval is not exactly in any position to win by NOT moderating at all. This is not gonna end well because the conman couldn't get his approval up EVEN AFTER HE SELF EXONERATED from the Russia mess.


Dems are not unified.

That's enough in itself.

You simply don't get Machiavelli. Divide and conquer is a great tactic. Do some research.




There's nothing like Trump to unify the Dems. Just saying.


So are you pro-Palestinian or pro-Israel?

just wondering . . .

I thought the most important issue was immigration . . . isn't that our topic here?

I believe in the two state solution, but I don't see that as being pro one or the other. They both have a right to exist. I don't see this as the big issue of the 2020 election, do you?

[Anonymous]

Trump wants to make us believe that these desperate migrants are an existential threat to the United States; the most powerful nation in world history and a nation made strong by immigrants. Trump and my nephew both know their immigrant and refugee roots. Yet, they repeat the insults and false accusations of earlier generations against these refugees to make them seem less than human. Trump publicly parades the grieving families of people hurt or killed by migrants, just as the early Nazis dredged up Jewish criminals to frighten and enrage their political base to justify persecution of all Jews. Almost every American family has an immigration story of its own based on flight from war, poverty, famine, persecution, fear or hopelessness. Most of these immigrants became workers, entrepreneurs, scientists and soldiers of America.

Most damning is the administration's evident intent to make policy that specifically disadvantages people based on their ethnicity, country of origin and religion. No matter what opinion is held about immigration, any government that specifically enacts law or policy on that basis must be recognized as a threat to all of us. Laws bereft of justice are the gateway to tyranny. Today others may be the target, but tomorrow it might just as easily be you or me. History will be the judge, but in the meantime the normalization of these policies is rapidly eroding the collective conscience of America. Immigration reform is a complex issue that will require compassion and wisdom to bring the nation to a just solution, but the politicians who have based their political and professional identity on ethnic demonization and exclusion cannot be trusted to do so. As free Americans, and descendants of immigrants and refugees, we have the obligation to exercise our conscience by voting for candidates who will stand up for our highest national values and not succumb to our lowest fears.

Excerpt from an August 2013 article by Stephen Miller's uncle, David Glosser. Stephen Miller is the architect of Trump's immigration policies.

[Anonymous]

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/13/stephen-miller-is-an-immigration-hypocrite-i-know-because-im-his-uncle-219351


Article cited above

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

You don’t know much, then.

In terms of priorities, most middle and working class Americans are prioritizing healthcare, jobs, and affordable housing.

Immigration is only a fixation for Trump’s base because he’s used it as a wedge and fanned the flames of xenophobia and fear. White guys with assault weapons are far more dangerous to the average American than an illegal immigrant. As a group, illegals commit far fewer crimes by percentage.

My midwestern in-laws couldn’t give a hoot about illegal immigrants. They are concerned about the fact that the only hospital I’m the 50 mile area has closed and with it all the jobs related to it gone. They have grown to appreciate the ACA recognizing that it protects coverage preexisting conditions and wonder what will happen if Trump further guts the ACA with no replacement.

They aren’t going to vote based on illegal immigration, that’s for sure. This is a wedge issue and shame on the GOP ... though these days, the GOP has no shame. No guts. No shame. No integrity.

You do you; I'll do me.

Healthcare, in particular, is an immigration issue. Don't be fooled. If you think illegal immigration doesn't affect the issues you mentioned above, you're fooling yourself. Just watch your premiums grow b/c of free visits to the ER. WE end up paying.

The costs of immigrants in our system are relatively small but more importantly, healthcare is NOT an immigration issue. It’s a systemic issue that is driven by a for profit motive of our health care system. Premiums aren’t ramping up because of immigrants, FFS.

Do you actually believe the crap you’re spewing?

yes they do believe in the stuff he/she is spewing because the cult members are conned to believe that all their issue is due to immigration and not because their party stops them from getting education, healthcare and other benefits and gives that to the rich as tax cuts.

+1

The “illegal” boogeyman gets tons of mileage from the fearful, xenophobic morons.

Facts are your friend.

Instead of attacking, do some basic research. I did.

0.5% of US healthcare costs.

Just like I said: “illegal” boogeyman gets tons of mileage from the morons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So did Trump think this was a “punishment” or not?

What if he does? Your point?

Do you think he does?

Ah, yes - the poster who will only answer a question with a (pedantic, repetitive) question. Your many questions have been answered, and then some. Move on if you have nothing further to add.

Wasn’t actually answered until page 47.

It actually has been answered several times, you just refuse to accept the answer. So now you can STFU with your idiotic questions. I hope everyone ignores you.

Which page? Oh right. You’re just full of sh1t.

Was it really that hard to admit that you’re a deplorable and you love it when Trump acts like a deplorable?

So is Cher a "deplorable" now that she's spoken the truth about what an influx of immigrants would mean to her city? Is anyone a "deplorable" in your book if they disagree with you? If so, there's a whole country full of "deplorables" who think you are a complete idiot.

Cher is not trying to “punish” US citizens so not a deplorable.

Oh, get over yourself and your fixation on "punishment". Really, you desperately need therapy to hash out your rage issues.

Yes, we already know that the deplorables don’t mind if Trump is an a$$. In fact, you LOVE it.