Trump wanted to release immigration detainees onto the streets of “sanctuary cities"

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Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

The problem is, people like you have fallen for the "dems are for open borders" BS and there is no discussing it rationally with that perspective. It is a complex issue that doesn't require a wall but does require a plan for how to deal with legal asylum seekers, how to ease the burden on INS courts etc. The rhetoric from Trump and the actions on the ground have been a disaster of his own making.

90% of the asylum claims are bogus. This needs to be cut off at the border.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

You don’t know much, then.

In terms of priorities, most middle and working class Americans are prioritizing healthcare, jobs, and affordable housing.

Immigration is only a fixation for Trump’s base because he’s used it as a wedge and fanned the flames of xenophobia and fear. White guys with assault weapons are far more dangerous to the average American than an illegal immigrant. As a group, illegals commit far fewer crimes by percentage.

My midwestern in-laws couldn’t give a hoot about illegal immigrants. They are concerned about the fact that the only hospital I’m the 50 mile area has closed and with it all the jobs related to it gone. They have grown to appreciate the ACA recognizing that it protects coverage preexisting conditions and wonder what will happen if Trump further guts the ACA with no replacement.

They aren’t going to vote based on illegal immigration, that’s for sure. This is a wedge issue and shame on the GOP ... though these days, the GOP has no shame. No guts. No shame. No integrity.

Truth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

You don’t know much, then.

In terms of priorities, most middle and working class Americans are prioritizing healthcare, jobs, and affordable housing.

Immigration is only a fixation for Trump’s base because he’s used it as a wedge and fanned the flames of xenophobia and fear. White guys with assault weapons are far more dangerous to the average American than an illegal immigrant. As a group, illegals commit far fewer crimes by percentage.

My midwestern in-laws couldn’t give a hoot about illegal immigrants. They are concerned about the fact that the only hospital I’m the 50 mile area has closed and with it all the jobs related to it gone. They have grown to appreciate the ACA recognizing that it protects coverage preexisting conditions and wonder what will happen if Trump further guts the ACA with no replacement.

They aren’t going to vote based on illegal immigration, that’s for sure. This is a wedge issue and shame on the GOP ... though these days, the GOP has no shame. No guts. No shame. No integrity.

You do you; I'll do me.

Healthcare, in particular, is an immigration issue. Don't be fooled. If you think illegal immigration doesn't affect the issues you mentioned above, you're fooling yourself. Just watch your premiums grow b/c of free visits to the ER. WE end up paying.

The costs of immigrants in our system are relatively small but more importantly, healthcare is NOT an immigration issue. It’s a systemic issue that is driven by a for profit motive of our health care system. Premiums aren’t ramping up because of immigrants, FFS.

Do you actually believe the crap you’re spewing?

yes they do believe in the stuff he/she is spewing because the cult members are conned to believe that all their issue is due to immigration and not because their party stops them from getting education, healthcare and other benefits and gives that to the rich as tax cuts.

+1

The “illegal” boogeyman gets tons of mileage from the fearful, xenophobic morons.

[Anonymous]

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Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.


So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.


You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

Hmmm. I think you need to know more.

This was another thread - https://wtop.com/politics/2019/04/apnewsbreak-trump-campaign-to-report-30-million-haul/
APNewsBreak: Trump campaign to report $30 million haul

Granted, he has no rival . . . but . . .

Fox keeps the base riled 24/7. Of course the rubes are going to send him their hard earned cash. It is the only way he will wring out anything left of them before the Oligarchs truly unleash on our society.

So do you acknowledge that CNN keeps its base riled up 24/7? And that liberal rubes send their cash to Democratic candidates? What you are railing on about is exactly what your own Dems do, so this sounds like a you problem.

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Anonymous wrote:

Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

You don’t know much, then.

In terms of priorities, most middle and working class Americans are prioritizing healthcare, jobs, and affordable housing.

Immigration is only a fixation for Trump’s base because he’s used it as a wedge and fanned the flames of xenophobia and fear. White guys with assault weapons are far more dangerous to the average American than an illegal immigrant. As a group, illegals commit far fewer crimes by percentage.

My midwestern in-laws couldn’t give a hoot about illegal immigrants. They are concerned about the fact that the only hospital I’m the 50 mile area has closed and with it all the jobs related to it gone. They have grown to appreciate the ACA recognizing that it protects coverage preexisting conditions and wonder what will happen if Trump further guts the ACA with no replacement.

They aren’t going to vote based on illegal immigration, that’s for sure. This is a wedge issue and shame on the GOP ... though these days, the GOP has no shame. No guts. No shame. No integrity.

You do you; I'll do me.

Healthcare, in particular, is an immigration issue. Don't be fooled. If you think illegal immigration doesn't affect the issues you mentioned above, you're fooling yourself. Just watch your premiums grow b/c of free visits to the ER. WE end up paying.

The costs of immigrants in our system are relatively small but more importantly, healthcare is NOT an immigration issue. It’s a systemic issue that is driven by a for profit motive of our health care system. Premiums aren’t ramping up because of immigrants, FFS.

Do you actually believe the crap you’re spewing?

yes they do believe in the stuff he/she is spewing because the cult members are conned to believe that all their issue is due to immigration and not because their party stops them from getting education, healthcare and other benefits and gives that to the rich as tax cuts.

I am 20:45. I did not vote for Trump.

And I could give you an earful on education, too. The article below looks positive, no?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981

"Public education is where the real big cost comes in," Capps said. "The amount of taxes that the parents pay on their earnings, that they pay through property taxes — passed through on their rent — it's not going to be as much as is spent on public education for their kids and food stamps for their kids."

Still, Capps added, second generation immigrants — the U.S.-born children of undocumented immigrants — often go on to do far better than their parents and can boost the American economy.

"They'll be paying it back over the long run, some of that cost — particularly like public schooling — pays for itself," Capps said. "Some people will just focus on how much more unauthorized immigrants cost than they're paying, but it ignores the broader economic picture."

Here are the facts behind the ". . . often go on to do far better than their parents . . . "

https://www.pewhispanic.org/2005/11/01/the-higher-drop-out-rate-of-foreign-born-teens/

Many of these foreign-born school dropouts–nearly 40 percent–are recent arrivals to this country who were already behind in school before they left for the United States. In absolute numbers, recently arrived foreign-born teens who had difficulties in school before migration are a relatively small phenomenon–they make up just 6 percent of all foreign-born youths–but they are at high risk of dropping out once they arrive. (A youth is categorized as a dropout if he or she is not currently enrolled in school and has not completed a high school education. This includes those who have never enrolled in school in the United States.)

point is? It's not working well, and yet people fail to see it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

You don’t know much, then.

In terms of priorities, most middle and working class Americans are prioritizing healthcare, jobs, and affordable housing.

Immigration is only a fixation for Trump’s base because he’s used it as a wedge and fanned the flames of xenophobia and fear. White guys with assault weapons are far more dangerous to the average American than an illegal immigrant. As a group, illegals commit far fewer crimes by percentage.

My midwestern in-laws couldn’t give a hoot about illegal immigrants. They are concerned about the fact that the only hospital I’m the 50 mile area has closed and with it all the jobs related to it gone. They have grown to appreciate the ACA recognizing that it protects coverage preexisting conditions and wonder what will happen if Trump further guts the ACA with no replacement.

They aren’t going to vote based on illegal immigration, that’s for sure. This is a wedge issue and shame on the GOP ... though these days, the GOP has no shame. No guts. No shame. No integrity.

You do you; I'll do me.

Healthcare, in particular, is an immigration issue. Don't be fooled. If you think illegal immigration doesn't affect the issues you mentioned above, you're fooling yourself. Just watch your premiums grow b/c of free visits to the ER. WE end up paying.

The costs of immigrants in our system are relatively small but more importantly, healthcare is NOT an immigration issue. It’s a systemic issue that is driven by a for profit motive of our health care system. Premiums aren’t ramping up because of immigrants, FFS.

Do you actually believe the crap you’re spewing?

yes they do believe in the stuff he/she is spewing because the cult members are conned to believe that all their issue is due to immigration and not because their party stops them from getting education, healthcare and other benefits and gives that to the rich as tax cuts.

+1

The “illegal” boogeyman gets tons of mileage from the fearful, xenophobic morons.

Facts are your friend.

Instead of attacking, do some basic research. I did.

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Anonymous wrote:So did Trump think this was a “punishment” or not?

What if he does? Your point?

Do you think he does?

Ah, yes - the poster who will only answer a question with a (pedantic, repetitive) question. Your many questions have been answered, and then some. Move on if you have nothing further to add.

Wasn’t actually answered until page 47.

It actually has been answered several times, you just refuse to accept the answer. So now you can STFU with your idiotic questions. I hope everyone ignores you.

Which page? Oh right. You’re just full of sh1t.

Was it really that hard to admit that you’re a deplorable and you love it when Trump acts like a deplorable?

So is Cher a "deplorable" now that she's spoken the truth about what an influx of immigrants would mean to her city? Is anyone a "deplorable" in your book if they disagree with you? If so, there's a whole country full of "deplorables" who think you are a complete idiot.

Cher is not trying to “punish” US citizens so not a deplorable.

Oh, get over yourself and your fixation on "punishment". Really, you desperately need therapy to hash out your rage issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

The problem is, people like you have fallen for the "dems are for open borders" BS and there is no discussing it rationally with that perspective. It is a complex issue that doesn't require a wall but does require a plan for how to deal with legal asylum seekers, how to ease the burden on INS courts etc. The rhetoric from Trump and the actions on the ground have been a disaster of his own making.

I haven't fallen for anything.

You either pull for those entering legally or you keep the borders open for all. There is no gray. It's black and white.

I'm waiting on the platforms. Then I'll make my decision. But based on the small segments I've read, they've offered nothing concrete or nothing to limit this overflow. They are far too progressive with their views, which will push more and more moderate Ds to the right.

I didn't vote for Trump, but I knew he'd win. At this point, the Ds are even more fragmented than they were three years ago. Pelosi has lost control and is too fearful to rein in some of her loudmouths. So Ds are all over the map on many issues.

Trump lost by 3 million votes and the GOP has won the popular vote just once in over 30 years. Thats not a party in the pink of health. Dont be delusional. They barely win the EC and thats just tenuous. AMERICANS are not with the con party which uses immigration to demagogue while they take benefits from Most Americans and give them away to the rich as tax cuts. THIS CON GAME has been seen through by enough Americans that the Fraud trickle down party already lost big in 2018. The con man who has never ever crossed 45% in approval is not exactly in any position to win by NOT moderating at all. This is not gonna end well because the conman couldn't get his approval up EVEN AFTER HE SELF EXONERATED from the Russia mess.

Dems are not unified.

That's enough in itself.

You simply don't get Machiavelli. Divide and conquer is a great tactic. Do some research.

[Anonymous]

Cher is not trying to “punish” US citizens so not a deplorable.

So you agree with Cher then?

Please share.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

The problem is, people like you have fallen for the "dems are for open borders" BS and there is no discussing it rationally with that perspective. It is a complex issue that doesn't require a wall but does require a plan for how to deal with legal asylum seekers, how to ease the burden on INS courts etc. The rhetoric from Trump and the actions on the ground have been a disaster of his own making.

I haven't fallen for anything.

You either pull for those entering legally or you keep the borders open for all. There is no gray. It's black and white.

I'm waiting on the platforms. Then I'll make my decision. But based on the small segments I've read, they've offered nothing concrete or nothing to limit this overflow. They are far too progressive with their views, which will push more and more moderate Ds to the right.

I didn't vote for Trump, but I knew he'd win. At this point, the Ds are even more fragmented than they were three years ago. Pelosi has lost control and is too fearful to rein in some of her loudmouths. So Ds are all over the map on many issues.

Trump lost by 3 million votes and the GOP has won the popular vote just once in over 30 years. Thats not a party in the pink of health. Dont be delusional. They barely win the EC and thats just tenuous. AMERICANS are not with the con party which uses immigration to demagogue while they take benefits from Most Americans and give them away to the rich as tax cuts. THIS CON GAME has been seen through by enough Americans that the Fraud trickle down party already lost big in 2018. The con man who has never ever crossed 45% in approval is not exactly in any position to win by NOT moderating at all. This is not gonna end well because the conman couldn't get his approval up EVEN AFTER HE SELF EXONERATED from the Russia mess.

Another word salad. Good grief.

[Anonymous]

If it wasn’t Trumps idea, would sending people to the sanctuary cities be considered a punishment on the residents of those cities?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If it wasn’t Trumps idea, would sending people to the sanctuary cities be considered a punishment on the residents of those cities?

In other words, if this had been a Dem's idea, how would liberals be reacting to this measure?

great question

[Anonymous]

Gotta give Trump credit, he now has Democrats arguing against illegal immigration.

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny that Trumpkins are delighted at the thought of "punishing" sanctuary cities by sending illegal immigrants to us ...

You do realize that sanctuary cities are by and large cities where immigrants - both legal and illegal - ALREADY live. They are already here. And many of our communities are rallying to make it possible for them to live their fullest lives and become contributors to our regions. It's not a punishment - it's the American way.

Exactly - it’s NOT a punishment. So why are Democrats so very outraged?? They should be tickled pink.

For the 100000th time...

It’s not that Dems think it’s a punishment, it’s that Trump and Miller sat down to think of a way to punish Dems for the ICE funding for beds. Trump thinks it’s a punishment he can inflict on Dems in retaliation for budget negotiations.

I think he should go ahead with his plan. If ICE doesn’t have the funds for the buses he should loan out his campaign buses and take full credit for his plan. It would certainly make him look like a compassionate guy.

Yes, we know - you've repeated your spiel for the 100000th time. The point you seem to be deliberately avoiding is: SO WHAT if Trump thought it would be a "punishment"? Many of you have repeatedly said it would *not* be a punishment to receive these immigrants. Though I question how many of you actually live in the targeted sanctuary cities - easy for you to say how much they'd be welcome if you're not even living there.

Finally, what's your explanation as to why Democrats refused funding for ICE beds? If beds are needed, why are they not being funded by the very people who insist these migrants are so welcome here?

POTUS planning punishment for citizens of the his own country is OK in your books?? Seriously???

Oh, for crying out loud. You are completely unable to carry on a normal conversation. The fact is: sanctuary cities (and Democrats in general) are insisting this would be no punishment at all for them, and that they would happily welcome a large influx of immigrants. It's not as if they've announced that it *would* be a punishment. So if they're assuring the country that it's no problem for them, then we should take them at their word. Can even a tiny part of your brain comprehend this, or are you going to continue beating this into the ground?

I agree with that PP - the POTUS sitting down to brainstorm ways to punish US citizens over budget negotiations is deplorable. But I guess that what ya’ll like about him. You certainly have no issue with it.

Here's a question that still hasn't been answered (since you brought up budget negotiations): why did Democrats deny funding for more ICE beds? Riddle me that.

I’ll gladly answer after 46 pages of deflection.

It was asked many pages back, and we're still waiting for our answer - which you don't have.

“Why do you care? It doesn’t matter WHY Dems deny funding.” Isn’t that your line?

So no answer. It's reprehensible that the very people saying immigrants are welcome here aren't even approving funding for much-needed beds. Then don't complain when these immigrants are put on buses and either a) deported or b) delivered to sanctuary cities. Serves you right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

The problem is, people like you have fallen for the "dems are for open borders" BS and there is no discussing it rationally with that perspective. It is a complex issue that doesn't require a wall but does require a plan for how to deal with legal asylum seekers, how to ease the burden on INS courts etc. The rhetoric from Trump and the actions on the ground have been a disaster of his own making.

90% of the asylum claims are bogus. This needs to be cut off at the border.

Agree.