RTO and No Childcare.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is simply not true. Plenty of feds do not get credit hours and work tons of OT.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is simply not true. Plenty of feds do not get credit hours and work tons of OT.

If they are working unpaid/uncompensated OT it is illegal. People need to stop doing it as they cannot be forced to—if folks are retaliated against for refusing to work uncompensated time, that’s an IG issue. Enough is enough. We can’t keep slashing jobs and pay, and dumping work on management. I worked a lot of nights and weekends this year. That ends now, especially if they make me commute 5 days a week.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

It sounds like she is a contractor and that’s normal. If you work directly for a company it may or may not be 40 hours.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is simply not true. Plenty of feds do not get credit hours and work tons of OT.

If they are working unpaid/uncompensated OT it is illegal. People need to stop doing it as they cannot be forced to—if folks are retaliated against for refusing to work uncompensated time, that’s an IG issue. Enough is enough. We can’t keep slashing jobs and pay, and dumping work on management. I worked a lot of nights and weekends this year. That ends now, especially if they make me commute 5 days a week.

Some people don’t have the luxury of risking being fired.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is probably a contractor job. You clearly have no clue. Not everyone is a fed.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue for me is the 8-6 in office requirement. Right now, I work 8-5, pick up my kids, and then work a few more hours at home in the evening. Daycare closes at 6 and I have a 45 minute commute, so I'm not sure what I will go if the 8-6 requirement goes into effect.

Right. I think that is what the childcare threads are talking about. It’s not lack of childcare it’s the commutes along with the 8-6pm requirement. If before care and aftercare is from 7:30-6 and my commute is an hour it doesn’t work.

It works if there are TWO responsible parents. you stagger your days: DH does drop off and gets home later; DW does pickup and gets home earlier. When my kid was little and in daycare I left for work at 7:45, worked from 830-5, picked him up by 530, home by 6:15. DH dropped him off in the morning, got to the office later, and worked pretty late (maybe until 730 or so most nights).

Later on we got a part-time babysitter for after school so that made it even easier - we would stagger drop off at 8:30 and then the other just needed to be home around 6-630.

NP here. Well, yes, if you stagger your schedules it works. My husband and I did that for years. But PP is referencing DOGE saying all federal hours will be a mandatory 8-6. No more staggering hours; no wiggle room. You and your spouse are now both leaving the house at 7am and returning at 7pm.

Not all agencies allow flex hours. Mine does not. I can’t just decide I want to work at 7 so I can leave at 3. I wish it did. I have worked for agencies that do - but not now.

My local public school ends at 2:10. No job would let us leave at 2pm as it’s still within core hours. Even if I were came to start work at 6am.

We need longer school hours. 8-4 would be my preference. Longer hours with longer lunches (my one kid is a slow eater and was losing weight because he only really had 10min to eat), more recess and more PE and language. Teachers could stagger schedules so they didn’t work more than 8 hours the same way my daycare staggers schedules.

No to longer school hours. Pay for child care.

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Anonymous wrote:Another reason why 1950s America was better.

For white mothers.
Black mothers didn’t have that privilege

It sucked for everybody then too, except white men. Being unable to get good jobs, to have a career if they wanted, to be financially dependent of somebody else for life and to be the free childcare was hardly an advantage.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is simply not true. Plenty of feds do not get credit hours and work tons of OT.

If they are working unpaid/uncompensated OT it is illegal. People need to stop doing it as they cannot be forced to—if folks are retaliated against for refusing to work uncompensated time, that’s an IG issue. Enough is enough. We can’t keep slashing jobs and pay, and dumping work on management. I worked a lot of nights and weekends this year. That ends now, especially if they make me commute 5 days a week.

I don't think you appreciate how pervasive unpaid OT is. I'm a DOJ lawyer. Every lawyer in my component regularly works more than 40 hours. The workload demands it. If you work less than 50-60 hours a week, you are cutting corners and you'll get a poor performance review.

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Some of you guys are weirdly bitter about not knowing what a sciff is. This thread is so strange.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

It sounds like she is a contractor and that’s normal. If you work directly for a company it may or may not be 40 hours.

She is not and has never been a contractor. She has been a federal employee since 1998. I'll go ahead and name names- it's the FBI. I don't know what agents get in terms of schedule flexibility but both intel analysts and agents get the wellness hours (I believe agents get more wellness hours than IAs).

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is simply not true. Plenty of feds do not get credit hours and work tons of OT.

If they are working unpaid/uncompensated OT it is illegal. People need to stop doing it as they cannot be forced to—if folks are retaliated against for refusing to work uncompensated time, that’s an IG issue. Enough is enough. We can’t keep slashing jobs and pay, and dumping work on management. I worked a lot of nights and weekends this year. That ends now, especially if they make me commute 5 days a week.

I don't think this is true for certain positions. Attorneys work lots of OT for no extra compensation. There are ethical obligations to meet court deadlines.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is simply not true. Plenty of feds do not get credit hours and work tons of OT.

If they are working unpaid/uncompensated OT it is illegal. People need to stop doing it as they cannot be forced to—if folks are retaliated against for refusing to work uncompensated time, that’s an IG issue. Enough is enough. We can’t keep slashing jobs and pay, and dumping work on management. I worked a lot of nights and weekends this year. That ends now, especially if they make me commute 5 days a week.

I don't think this is true for certain positions. Attorneys work lots of OT for no extra compensation. There are ethical obligations to meet court deadlines.

Pretty much. DOJ was sued about it decades ago, and the agency’s position ever since has been that attorneys can accomplish all their work in 40 hours. Everyone knows that’s not true in practice, so it just means attorneys have to work unpaid OT.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

It sounds like she is a contractor and that’s normal. If you work directly for a company it may or may not be 40 hours.

She is not and has never been a contractor. She has been a federal employee since 1998. I'll go ahead and name names- it's the FBI. I don't know what agents get in terms of schedule flexibility but both intel analysts and agents get the wellness hours (I believe agents get more wellness hours than IAs).

DH is a LEO with a different DOJ law enforcement agency. He gets wellness hours.