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Anonymous wrote:Another reason why 1950s America was better.

For white mothers.
Black mothers didn’t have that privilege

It sucked for everybody then too, except white men. Being unable to get good jobs, to have a career if they wanted, to be financially dependent of somebody else for life and to be the free childcare was hardly an advantage.

Really...you fixed your mouth (well, fingers) to make this response...

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is simply not true. Plenty of feds do not get credit hours and work tons of OT.

If they are working unpaid/uncompensated OT it is illegal. People need to stop doing it as they cannot be forced to—if folks are retaliated against for refusing to work uncompensated time, that’s an IG issue. Enough is enough. We can’t keep slashing jobs and pay, and dumping work on management. I worked a lot of nights and weekends this year. That ends now, especially if they make me commute 5 days a week.

I don't think you appreciate how pervasive unpaid OT is. I'm a DOJ lawyer. Every lawyer in my component regularly works more than 40 hours. The workload demands it. If you work less than 50-60 hours a week, you are cutting corners and you'll get a poor performance review.

Putting aside performance reviews you can’t show up before a judge and be unprepared, of course people are working more than 40 hours and these posts acting like government lawyers are allergic to work are absurd and, frankly, patronizing.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is simply not true. Plenty of feds do not get credit hours and work tons of OT.

If they are working unpaid/uncompensated OT it is illegal. People need to stop doing it as they cannot be forced to—if folks are retaliated against for refusing to work uncompensated time, that’s an IG issue. Enough is enough. We can’t keep slashing jobs and pay, and dumping work on management. I worked a lot of nights and weekends this year. That ends now, especially if they make me commute 5 days a week.

I don't think you appreciate how pervasive unpaid OT is. I'm a DOJ lawyer. Every lawyer in my component regularly works more than 40 hours. The workload demands it. If you work less than 50-60 hours a week, you are cutting corners and you'll get a poor performance review.

Oh I know how pervasive it is. I’ve lived it. I’m in a position of authority now and I’m not allowing it. If you are working overtime I want to count it and show senior leaders how understaffed my team is.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is simply not true. Plenty of feds do not get credit hours and work tons of OT.

If they are working unpaid/uncompensated OT it is illegal. People need to stop doing it as they cannot be forced to—if folks are retaliated against for refusing to work uncompensated time, that’s an IG issue. Enough is enough. We can’t keep slashing jobs and pay, and dumping work on management. I worked a lot of nights and weekends this year. That ends now, especially if they make me commute 5 days a week.

I don't think this is true for certain positions. Attorneys work lots of OT for no extra compensation. There are ethical obligations to meet court deadlines.

Pretty much. DOJ was sued about it decades ago, and the agency’s position ever since has been that attorneys can accomplish all their work in 40 hours. Everyone knows that’s not true in practice, so it just means attorneys have to work unpaid OT.

This isn’t accurate. The case was lost because the attorneys had never had overtime requests approved. DOJ policy prohibits approval of overtime for attorneys. The policy does not require attorneys to work more than 40 hours a week. DOJ attorneys working more than 40 without comp time or credit hours are suckers. Stop working for free, let the leadership and Congress see how understaffed/paid you are.

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Anonymous wrote:Another reason why 1950s America was better.

For white mothers.
Black mothers didn’t have that privilege

It sucked for everybody then too, except white men. Being unable to get good jobs, to have a career if they wanted, to be financially dependent of somebody else for life and to be the free childcare was hardly an advantage.

Really...you fixed your mouth (well, fingers) to make this response...

Tell me you failed 10th grade English without telling me you failed 10th grade English.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is simply not true. Plenty of feds do not get credit hours and work tons of OT.

If they are working unpaid/uncompensated OT it is illegal. People need to stop doing it as they cannot be forced to—if folks are retaliated against for refusing to work uncompensated time, that’s an IG issue. Enough is enough. We can’t keep slashing jobs and pay, and dumping work on management. I worked a lot of nights and weekends this year. That ends now, especially if they make me commute 5 days a week.

I don't think this is true for certain positions. Attorneys work lots of OT for no extra compensation. There are ethical obligations to meet court deadlines.

Pretty much. DOJ was sued about it decades ago, and the agency’s position ever since has been that attorneys can accomplish all their work in 40 hours. Everyone knows that’s not true in practice, so it just means attorneys have to work unpaid OT.

This isn’t accurate. The case was lost because the attorneys had never had overtime requests approved. DOJ policy prohibits approval of overtime for attorneys. The policy does not require attorneys to work more than 40 hours a week. DOJ attorneys working more than 40 without comp time or credit hours are suckers. Stop working for free, let the leadership and Congress see how understaffed/paid you are.

In many components, doing this means risking case viability and your bar license. If I fail to disclose exculpatory information because I scanned a document rather than read it in the interest of saving time, no judge is going to care that a more thorough review would have required working unpaid OT. Neither will the bar when it comes for my license.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is simply not true. Plenty of feds do not get credit hours and work tons of OT.

If they are working unpaid/uncompensated OT it is illegal. People need to stop doing it as they cannot be forced to—if folks are retaliated against for refusing to work uncompensated time, that’s an IG issue. Enough is enough. We can’t keep slashing jobs and pay, and dumping work on management. I worked a lot of nights and weekends this year. That ends now, especially if they make me commute 5 days a week.

I don't think this is true for certain positions. Attorneys work lots of OT for no extra compensation. There are ethical obligations to meet court deadlines.

Pretty much. DOJ was sued about it decades ago, and the agency’s position ever since has been that attorneys can accomplish all their work in 40 hours. Everyone knows that’s not true in practice, so it just means attorneys have to work unpaid OT.

This isn’t accurate. The case was lost because the attorneys had never had overtime requests approved. DOJ policy prohibits approval of overtime for attorneys. The policy does not require attorneys to work more than 40 hours a week. DOJ attorneys working more than 40 without comp time or credit hours are suckers. Stop working for free, let the leadership and Congress see how understaffed/paid you are.

In many components, doing this means risking case viability and your bar license. If I fail to disclose exculpatory information because I scanned a document rather than read it in the interest of saving time, no judge is going to care that a more thorough review would have required working unpaid OT. Neither will the bar when it comes for my license.

You tell your supervising attorney that you need more time/staff to meet demands. It is not on you to work for free. Lawyers bill their clients for every minute necessary. If you need more than 40 hours, you need another body.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is simply not true. Plenty of feds do not get credit hours and work tons of OT.

If they are working unpaid/uncompensated OT it is illegal. People need to stop doing it as they cannot be forced to—if folks are retaliated against for refusing to work uncompensated time, that’s an IG issue. Enough is enough. We can’t keep slashing jobs and pay, and dumping work on management. I worked a lot of nights and weekends this year. That ends now, especially if they make me commute 5 days a week.

I don't think this is true for certain positions. Attorneys work lots of OT for no extra compensation. There are ethical obligations to meet court deadlines.

Pretty much. DOJ was sued about it decades ago, and the agency’s position ever since has been that attorneys can accomplish all their work in 40 hours. Everyone knows that’s not true in practice, so it just means attorneys have to work unpaid OT.

This isn’t accurate. The case was lost because the attorneys had never had overtime requests approved. DOJ policy prohibits approval of overtime for attorneys. The policy does not require attorneys to work more than 40 hours a week. DOJ attorneys working more than 40 without comp time or credit hours are suckers. Stop working for free, let the leadership and Congress see how understaffed/paid you are.

In many components, doing this means risking case viability and your bar license. If I fail to disclose exculpatory information because I scanned a document rather than read it in the interest of saving time, no judge is going to care that a more thorough review would have required working unpaid OT. Neither will the bar when it comes for my license.

You tell your supervising attorney that you need more time/staff to meet demands. It is not on you to work for free. Lawyers bill their clients for every minute necessary. If you need more than 40 hours, you need another body.

Management is aware of the issue. Us line attorneys tell them constantly.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is simply not true. Plenty of feds do not get credit hours and work tons of OT.

If they are working unpaid/uncompensated OT it is illegal. People need to stop doing it as they cannot be forced to—if folks are retaliated against for refusing to work uncompensated time, that’s an IG issue. Enough is enough. We can’t keep slashing jobs and pay, and dumping work on management. I worked a lot of nights and weekends this year. That ends now, especially if they make me commute 5 days a week.

I don't think this is true for certain positions. Attorneys work lots of OT for no extra compensation. There are ethical obligations to meet court deadlines.

Pretty much. DOJ was sued about it decades ago, and the agency’s position ever since has been that attorneys can accomplish all their work in 40 hours. Everyone knows that’s not true in practice, so it just means attorneys have to work unpaid OT.

This isn’t accurate. The case was lost because the attorneys had never had overtime requests approved. DOJ policy prohibits approval of overtime for attorneys. The policy does not require attorneys to work more than 40 hours a week. DOJ attorneys working more than 40 without comp time or credit hours are suckers. Stop working for free, let the leadership and Congress see how understaffed/paid you are.

In many components, doing this means risking case viability and your bar license. If I fail to disclose exculpatory information because I scanned a document rather than read it in the interest of saving time, no judge is going to care that a more thorough review would have required working unpaid OT. Neither will the bar when it comes for my license.

You tell your supervising attorney that you need more time/staff to meet demands. It is not on you to work for free. Lawyers bill their clients for every minute necessary. If you need more than 40 hours, you need another body.

Management is aware of the issue. Us line attorneys tell them constantly.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is simply not true. Plenty of feds do not get credit hours and work tons of OT.

If they are working unpaid/uncompensated OT it is illegal. People need to stop doing it as they cannot be forced to—if folks are retaliated against for refusing to work uncompensated time, that’s an IG issue. Enough is enough. We can’t keep slashing jobs and pay, and dumping work on management. I worked a lot of nights and weekends this year. That ends now, especially if they make me commute 5 days a week.

I don't think this is true for certain positions. Attorneys work lots of OT for no extra compensation. There are ethical obligations to meet court deadlines.

Pretty much. DOJ was sued about it decades ago, and the agency’s position ever since has been that attorneys can accomplish all their work in 40 hours. Everyone knows that’s not true in practice, so it just means attorneys have to work unpaid OT.

This isn’t accurate. The case was lost because the attorneys had never had overtime requests approved. DOJ policy prohibits approval of overtime for attorneys. The policy does not require attorneys to work more than 40 hours a week. DOJ attorneys working more than 40 without comp time or credit hours are suckers. Stop working for free, let the leadership and Congress see how understaffed/paid you are.

In many components, doing this means risking case viability and your bar license. If I fail to disclose exculpatory information because I scanned a document rather than read it in the interest of saving time, no judge is going to care that a more thorough review would have required working unpaid OT. Neither will the bar when it comes for my license.

You tell your supervising attorney that you need more time/staff to meet demands. It is not on you to work for free. Lawyers bill their clients for every minute necessary. If you need more than 40 hours, you need another body.

Management is aware of the issue. Us line attorneys tell them constantly.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is simply not true. Plenty of feds do not get credit hours and work tons of OT.

If they are working unpaid/uncompensated OT it is illegal. People need to stop doing it as they cannot be forced to—if folks are retaliated against for refusing to work uncompensated time, that’s an IG issue. Enough is enough. We can’t keep slashing jobs and pay, and dumping work on management. I worked a lot of nights and weekends this year. That ends now, especially if they make me commute 5 days a week.

I don't think you appreciate how pervasive unpaid OT is. I'm a DOJ lawyer. Every lawyer in my component regularly works more than 40 hours. The workload demands it. If you work less than 50-60 hours a week, you are cutting corners and you'll get a poor performance review.

Oh I know how pervasive it is. I’ve lived it. I’m in a position of authority now and I’m not allowing it. If you are working overtime I want to count it and show senior leaders how understaffed my team is.

We actually have a separate timekeeping system (USA5) where we log our actual hours for that purpose. The explicit purpose is to show leadership that we are working more than 40 hours a week so we can get more resources. They know we all work extensive unpaid OT. They don’t care.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is simply not true. Plenty of feds do not get credit hours and work tons of OT.

If they are working unpaid/uncompensated OT it is illegal. People need to stop doing it as they cannot be forced to—if folks are retaliated against for refusing to work uncompensated time, that’s an IG issue. Enough is enough. We can’t keep slashing jobs and pay, and dumping work on management. I worked a lot of nights and weekends this year. That ends now, especially if they make me commute 5 days a week.

I don't think you appreciate how pervasive unpaid OT is. I'm a DOJ lawyer. Every lawyer in my component regularly works more than 40 hours. The workload demands it. If you work less than 50-60 hours a week, you are cutting corners and you'll get a poor performance review.

Oh I know how pervasive it is. I’ve lived it. I’m in a position of authority now and I’m not allowing it. If you are working overtime I want to count it and show senior leaders how understaffed my team is.

We actually have a separate timekeeping system (USA5) where we log our actual hours for that purpose. The explicit purpose is to show leadership that we are working more than 40 hours a week so we can get more resources. They know we all work extensive unpaid OT. They don’t care.

Seems like an IG issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Another reason why 1950s America was better.

The myth of 1950s mothers have always worked, in the 1940: we had universal childcare.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a lack of childcare that’s the problem; it’s that these women want to have it both ways. They don’t want to pay anyone else to watch their children, they prefer to fleece their employers.

+1

There are plenty of before and after care options. People just don’t want to pay. Though it’s the responsibility of mom and dad, not just mom, in ideal circumstances.

-A single mom breadwinner with sole custody who pays for child care and full time summer camp

Completely depends where you are, all the daycare centers that offer full daycare are at capacity around me. Preschool runs until 3pm at the latest. There is a waitlist for the school offered after care if your kid is school age.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

NP here. My sister works in a SCIF and gets to choose her start time, does not regularly work more than 40 hours and if she has to, she gets to either take it as comp time or leave early/come in late the following day, and does indeed get wellness hours.

Yup. People like to play suffering Olympics here to make it seem like there are different classes of feds… but really the biggest division is between bargaining unit employees and non BU employees. And even then, the differences aren’t that stark. ALL GS feds get some flexibility and do not work more than 40 hours without credit hours, comp time, etc.

This is simply not true. Plenty of feds do not get credit hours and work tons of OT.

If they are working unpaid/uncompensated OT it is illegal. People need to stop doing it as they cannot be forced to—if folks are retaliated against for refusing to work uncompensated time, that’s an IG issue. Enough is enough. We can’t keep slashing jobs and pay, and dumping work on management. I worked a lot of nights and weekends this year. That ends now, especially if they make me commute 5 days a week.

I don't think this is true for certain positions. Attorneys work lots of OT for no extra compensation. There are ethical obligations to meet court deadlines.

Pretty much. DOJ was sued about it decades ago, and the agency’s position ever since has been that attorneys can accomplish all their work in 40 hours. Everyone knows that’s not true in practice, so it just means attorneys have to work unpaid OT.

This isn’t accurate. The case was lost because the attorneys had never had overtime requests approved. DOJ policy prohibits approval of overtime for attorneys. The policy does not require attorneys to work more than 40 hours a week. DOJ attorneys working more than 40 without comp time or credit hours are suckers. Stop working for free, let the leadership and Congress see how understaffed/paid you are.

In many components, doing this means risking case viability and your bar license. If I fail to disclose exculpatory information because I scanned a document rather than read it in the interest of saving time, no judge is going to care that a more thorough review would have required working unpaid OT. Neither will the bar when it comes for my license.

You tell your supervising attorney that you need more time/staff to meet demands. It is not on you to work for free. Lawyers bill their clients for every minute necessary. If you need more than 40 hours, you need another body.

That doesn't work in government or private. They don't care. My husband is private and he works 60 hours a week. WFH at least made it tolerable but now there is another 2 hours a day in commuting. He leaves at 7, gets home between 6-7 and still has at least another hour or two of work.